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Geir Hongroe.

Noodle Vague, Friday, 25 January 2008 22:39 (nine years ago) Permalink

Sometimes I feel like David Brooks is more of an ideologue than he lets on to be and that gives him a mildly sinister quality.

However, I give him props for coming up with Bobo

Hurting 2, Saturday, 26 January 2008 00:28 (nine years ago) Permalink

Bill Buckley is a man with some flash to 'im. The rest of these chumps can go waterboard themselves.

libcrypt, Saturday, 26 January 2008 03:26 (nine years ago) Permalink

most republicans aren't actually "conservative" in any way - you could make a strong case that carter (modest foreign policy, decent 'everyman' image, lack of ambitious 'vision' for america) was more genuinely conservative than reagan (radical crackpot economics, belligerent interventionism, secretive and corrupt ruling style).

i like christopher caldwell's writing a lot. andrew ferguson, who writes for the weekly standard, is also good.

J.D., Saturday, 26 January 2008 10:16 (nine years ago) Permalink

Some of my best friends are modern artists.

this is still making me lol

strgn, Saturday, 26 January 2008 10:22 (nine years ago) Permalink

Geir Hongroe.

-- Noodle Vague, Friday, 25 January 2008 22:39 (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

^^^this

Dom Passantino, Saturday, 26 January 2008 10:34 (nine years ago) Permalink

"conservative" pundits and politicians are douchebags and hypocrites, I can't stand any of them. but I've got a couple misguided friends who vote republican. they're really great people, we just avoid discussing politics.

m coleman, Saturday, 26 January 2008 12:29 (nine years ago) Permalink

Mark Corrigan

Bodrick III, Saturday, 26 January 2008 13:59 (nine years ago) Permalink

William Buckley, Jr. is a writer of considerabl elegance, and certainly worth reading.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Saturday, 26 January 2008 14:04 (nine years ago) Permalink

I enjoy reading most of the writers for the American Conservative but then they spend most of their time attacking The Weekly Standard and Commentary.

mulla atari, Saturday, 26 January 2008 14:14 (nine years ago) Permalink

my dad ;_;

will, Saturday, 26 January 2008 15:28 (nine years ago) Permalink

I got the joke but isn't Geir a social democrat?

I abhor their economic views but I genuinely enjoy reading hardcore libertarians sometimes. AFAICT they all used to be socialists or Marxists and it shows in the combination of hyper-rationalism and utopianism, the effort to ground every view on policy in an all-encompassing philosophy grounded in values of reason and individual liberty. Their criticisms of the far left are actually worthwhile sometimes. (The problem, of course, is that they're too uncritical of private property ownership and its relationship to the individual in capitalism.) Anarcho-capitalists are pretty classic, albeit somewhat frightening, in how they take this to the insane extreme. P. J. O'Rourke would be OK if he were too committed to libertarianism to be a Republican.

Sundar, Saturday, 26 January 2008 17:17 (nine years ago) Permalink

Robert Stanfield and Joe Clark aren't bad but I don't know if they even really count as "conservatives." (I'm assuming Jean Charest doesn't.) I seriously kind of think of Bill Clinton as a conservative and he wasn't terrible.

Lincoln??

Sundar, Saturday, 26 January 2008 17:19 (nine years ago) Permalink

Obv I'm not counting everyday conservative individuals, who can be great to have a beer with.

Sundar, Saturday, 26 January 2008 17:22 (nine years ago) Permalink

(Part of the problem is I'm not sure which definition of "conservative" to use.)

Sundar, Saturday, 26 January 2008 17:35 (nine years ago) Permalink

this guy, maybe, although he's more libertarian than "conservative."

tipsy mothra, Saturday, 26 January 2008 19:56 (nine years ago) Permalink

william buckley might be a good stylist but he's also an arrogant blowhard who penned a preposterous apology for mccarthy and once declared that we'd be better off having a nuclear war with the soviet union than let communism go on existing.

lincoln, like a lot of pre-1933 people, doesn't fit the "conservative" or "liberal" label too well. probably the only definition of american liberalism/conservatism that makes sense is "would support or oppose the new deal."

J.D., Sunday, 27 January 2008 01:35 (nine years ago) Permalink

sundar OTM, i've always thought libertarians were just kind of inverted marxists (not least in their reduction of all life to economics).

J.D., Sunday, 27 January 2008 01:37 (nine years ago) Permalink

I'll give props to my high school alum Jack Danforth.

bnw, Sunday, 27 January 2008 01:58 (nine years ago) Permalink

nine months pass...

I grow appreciative of douthat's ludicrous optimism and selectively applied blinders as displayed here:

If anything, I think the way the McCain campaign has finished up - and the way the media has covered it - works to Jindal's advantage in 2012: Conservatives are going to be extremely eager to prove that they only hate Obama because he's a radical, not because they're racist, and what better way to demonstrate that than to nominate a dark-skinned conservative with a funny-sounding name? Indeed, much of the current affection for Jindal among movement conservatives - and especially in talk-radio land - can be traced to precisely such a yearning for a conservative Obama: A multicultural prince who channels Ronald Reagan, and whose nomination would at least reduce the taint of racism that clings to the American Right.

Likewise, the idea that Jindal, if nominated, would invite a right-wing third party challenge aimed at peeling off racist Southern whites strikes me as fanciful in the extreme. Maybe the usual sad-sack Libertarian nominee would do slightly better in a Jindal-Obama race than in, say, a Pawlenty-Obama race because of some sort of racist peel-off ... but I'm pretty doubtful on that score as well. If Bobby Jindal can win the Republican nomination and then the governorship in Louisiana, he isn't going to have any race-based trouble as a GOP candidate on the national stage.

Multicultural prince!

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 29 October 2008 06:19 (eight years ago) Permalink

This makes it sound like racists are selective in who they are racist against - that they only dislike non-White Democrats. And if you don't think about it too hard, that could make sense. After all, they only hate government spending when it's a Democrat. Or adultery when it's a Democrat. So maybe they're only racist when it's a Democrat too.

Except that racism isn't a logical position. It's not a selective political position (like spending) or a selective/hypocritical morality. It's this insane, illogical, batshit crazy thing. And I can't imagine that racists would suddenly give up being racist just because Jindal is a Republican.

Mordy, Wednesday, 29 October 2008 06:48 (eight years ago) Permalink

I am so not interested in discussing the intellectual dishonesty of ross douthat.

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 29 October 2008 06:52 (eight years ago) Permalink

Fair enough. For what it's worth, I don't think he was being intellectual dishonest. I think he just overestimates the Republican constituency.

Mordy, Wednesday, 29 October 2008 06:56 (eight years ago) Permalink

willful ignorance in the service of your own bias is a form of intellectual dishonesty, isn't it?

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 29 October 2008 07:02 (eight years ago) Permalink

I think this vastly, vastly overestimates the extent to which the attempt to "Otherize" Obama has been about race qua race (and racism qua racism), and vastly underestimates the extent to which it's been about the way Obama's name, ancestry and skin color have dovetailed with other aspects of his background - from his liberation-theology church to the academic-lefty and urban-machine milieu in which he spent much of his early political career - that the GOP would have tried to play up against any Democratic candidate (and especially in a year when the party didn't have much else going for it).

this is how he starts the argument.
nevermind, I posted this to the wrong thread.
this guy sucks.

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 29 October 2008 07:03 (eight years ago) Permalink

Did Jindal just hire a publicist or something? Someone was big-upping him on MSNBC on Tuesday afternoon.

I liked Christopher Buckley even before his recent Obama endorsement. He's very funny and seems willing to skewer even his side's sacred cows.

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Wednesday, 29 October 2008 07:04 (eight years ago) Permalink

Yeah. In context, his argument is even shittier. I'm gonna try to figure out more things to add to the NRO thread.

Mordy, Wednesday, 29 October 2008 07:04 (eight years ago) Permalink

Except that racism isn't a logical position. It's not a selective political position (like spending) or a selective/hypocritical morality. It's this insane, illogical, batshit crazy thing. And I can't imagine that racists would suddenly give up being racist just because Jindal is a Republican.

I dunno about this, check out all the quotes on 538, etc. from voters who'll say shit like "we're voting for the n****r." Contemporary racism seems to be broad, not deep.

en i see kay, Wednesday, 29 October 2008 07:08 (eight years ago) Permalink

I believe that they'll vote for a black man despite being racist, but I won't believe that they'll stop being racist for the right non-white person.

Mordy, Wednesday, 29 October 2008 07:13 (eight years ago) Permalink

In the sense of Jindal being a viable candidate, though, what's the difference?

Or perhaps I'm missing your point, I'm not the soberest of internet intellectuals on this fine night.

en i see kay, Wednesday, 29 October 2008 07:18 (eight years ago) Permalink

i regret my dismissal of buckley upthread, a bit.

J.D., Wednesday, 29 October 2008 08:09 (eight years ago) Permalink

Ironically, I haven't found most of the Conservatives who have repudiated the McCain campaign to be the least bit sympathetic. The vast majority of them (esp ones like Noonan, Parker, or Frum) seem like they're jumping on the bandwagon. Only people who are generally iconoclastic - like Sullivan and Hitchens - have really struck me as sincere with their Obama endorsements.

Mordy, Wednesday, 29 October 2008 08:14 (eight years ago) Permalink

(what's tagalog for "uncle tom" or "tio taco"?)

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, June 16, 2004 9:46 PM (4 years ago) Bookmark

ಥ﹏ಥ (cankles), Wednesday, 29 October 2008 08:55 (eight years ago) Permalink

Chuck Hagel
The McCain 2000
Mark Pryor

☑ (Pleasant Plains), Wednesday, 29 October 2008 15:18 (eight years ago) Permalink

and Dan Lacey.

☑ (Pleasant Plains), Wednesday, 29 October 2008 15:19 (eight years ago) Permalink

Only people who are generally iconoclastic - like Sullivan and Hitchens - have really struck me as sincere with their Obama endorsements.

well, Hitchens is not a conservative.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 29 October 2008 15:42 (eight years ago) Permalink

What don't you like about Malkin?

i think that she's nasty, ignorant, and throws off an evil "i've got mine!" vibe -- i.e., i'm the daughter of (nice) immigrants (from a spanish-speaking country), but THOSE immigrants from spanish-speaking countries are wrecking the country. (what's tagalog for "uncle tom" or "tio taco"?) and that's what i could make out -- the rest of her written spiel is illegible ranting.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, June 17, 2004 1:46 AM (4 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Mmm. I disagree, but I can see where you'er coming from re: her arrogance, sometimes. The "I Got Mine" tag is apt, too, but I don't find her ignorant at all. A lot of what she's saying - and being the daughter of immigrants you have to admit it takes balls for her to say it - is right on.

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Thursday, June 17, 2004 1:49 AM (4 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^^^ classic exchange

s1ocki, Wednesday, 29 October 2008 15:45 (eight years ago) Permalink

nyer article about hagel made him out to be the nicest/smartest guy in washington which im not sure if i believe

max, Wednesday, 29 October 2008 15:49 (eight years ago) Permalink

then again, anyone who cheney hates is a-ok with me

max, Wednesday, 29 October 2008 15:50 (eight years ago) Permalink

Conservatives I like: Burke, Macaulay, Cardinal Newman, Eliot, Hayek. Sullivan and Douthat are batshit, their most admirable qualities. Douthat's a better David Brooks than David Brooks.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 29 October 2008 15:51 (eight years ago) Permalink

haha lol at this: Hagel has a tradition of wearing costumes to work on Halloween, usually masquerading as colleagues or other notable political figures. He has arrived at work dressed as Joe Biden, John McCain, Colin Powell, and Pat Roberts in past years.[9]

max, Wednesday, 29 October 2008 15:52 (eight years ago) Permalink

pics of Hagel as Sarah Palin, plz.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 29 October 2008 15:53 (eight years ago) Permalink

I believe that they'll vote for a black man despite being racist, but I won't believe that they'll stop being racist for the right non-white person.

What does the second statement have to do with the first? People are perfectly capable of voting for minorities while being racist; it ties into the whole "you're not like the rest, you're special" rationalization.

Black Seinfeld (HI DERE), Wednesday, 29 October 2008 15:53 (eight years ago) Permalink

A lot of what she's saying - and being the daughter of immigrants you have to admit it takes balls for her to say it - is right on.

wau

ℵℜℜℜℜℜℜℜℜℜ℘! (Curt1s Stephens), Wednesday, 29 October 2008 15:55 (eight years ago) Permalink

In Canada: Bill Davis and Joe Clark.

In the US: John McCain circa 2000. This most recent incarnation is a desperate, creepy lying dick.

Is David Gergen a conservative? Because I like him.

Totally gay for Obama (j-rock), Wednesday, 29 October 2008 16:49 (eight years ago) Permalink

Gergen is Jodie Foster in The Inside Man.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 29 October 2008 16:50 (eight years ago) Permalink

alfred, if you haven't already read garry wills's "confessions of a conservative" i highly recommend it -- equal parts hilarious stories about working at national review in the '50s (wills was unnerved by the fact that everyone there talked like WFB) and interesting musings about what it means to be so old-school conservative you find yourself disagreeing with virtually everything in the modern GOP platform.

J.D., Wednesday, 29 October 2008 20:40 (eight years ago) Permalink

pat buchanan is right about american foreign policy, but regarding everything else he can go eat a dick.

stone cold all time hall of fame classics (internet person), Thursday, 30 October 2008 01:37 (eight years ago) Permalink

http://www.amconmag.com/article/2008/sep/22/00006/

^^^ this is pretty much otm, too.

stone cold all time hall of fame classics (internet person), Thursday, 30 October 2008 01:40 (eight years ago) Permalink


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