animal collective

this is true (about most everything they've done) but what i'm beginning to realize is that not everyone can discern this. obv some effort is required i suppose, but some people are in the swing of looking for at least new-seeming twists in music, having unearthed a lot already, so it's not "effort" exactly. it's a seeking out of surprise on one hand, but also an ability to recognize when an actual surprise has reared up.
others who aren't so inclined generally just refute this whole premise outright, see it as off-putting pathology etc. but usually they have little else but cute scoffing exercises to run through and tend to like to leave it at that. gold-medal cutesy types you know them. i want to feel transported, not inducted into an unserious pavilion of snark, personally.

Right, well, hence the "for people who hate Phish" qualifier. Their noodliness is of a more intellectual sort. They're conceptually noodly.

you should think twice before you say something like this. last night's show had a mostly lit loft with a few colored lights and a chandelier above the bands. the fucking dumbshit dj thought he'd be cute (i think he actually thought he was doing a good job) by flicking the lights on and off. it wasn't ever even in rhythm or during exciting moments.

"self doubt, i'll doubt i'll find a swimming pool"... or something similar?

They had copies of Wastered at the Echo and then sold out. 50% of the audience left after AC played, at the Echo, as well.

Also, if you thought that the show was underattended, you should've been at the Acid Mothers Temple. There were at most 25 people there.

And why are people leaving before Black Dice play? I thought they were better than AC that night.

But even more than that, I don't feel like seeing them live adds anything to the music. You've got one guy looking nervous and afraid, another playing guitar but hidden by his effects case and a third guy sort of dancing in place and twiddling knobs. Basically, the only interaction is when Bjorn cocks his head to the side and mouths something to the other guys.

AMT was at Spaceland one night and KF the next. The KF show was awesome because no one was there, but the a/c was out and it was HOT AS FUCK. They were selling $1 Rolling Rocks to make up for it.

I go see BD because their music in the live setting is so much more visceral, huge and physical than when I play their records in my home. I find recorded-BD and live-BD as two related but vastly difference perspectives of the same band like two wildly different photographs of the same person.

I would personally say: a great deal.

I have Panda Bear's first album - Wifey thinks parts of it sound like Amnesiac-era Radiohead and, though I'd never have drawn that conclusion myself, that seems kinda accurate. It's not too good, in retrospect.

The song "Fire" from it is pretty decent.

it isn't slskable?

it would be great if there was more of an equipment failure in BD's sets and they'd have to revert back to SEMEN OF THE SUN.

Why the sarcasm?
Why edit my quote to change its meaning?
Why jump on me when my point was in contrast to Dean?'s very valid take on BD live (which I am not saying is wrong in any way just diff. than mine.)

The full sentence that I originally wrote was
"I do not go see Black Dice live in order to witness a performance OR MUSIC THEATER."

Maybe I am not making my point. What I am saying is I do not experience Black Dive live like I would, say the Stooges or any other group that performs in the words purest sense like Frank Sinatra or Bowie or Liza or whomever. They move; they dance, they are personalities and their performances work as a form of theater, too. I would not expect this from BD. Half the time my eyes are closed and/or they are not in my field of vision. But, I love their sound via huge fucking PA's.

Does this make sense? Or, is my point still so totally foriegn that the only response possible is sarcasm? I hope not.

And just as a helpful tip to you: At this point in a thread, Jon Williams usually steps in here to say "Shut up, Ben, what do you know? You like Dave Matthews" and it gets me to shut up, since he's right.

Yes ... unfortunately.

I was mostly bothered by him constantly shouting demands to the soundboard - turn off the delay, more vocals in the monitor, less delay, ok i want the delay back - and his seeming lack of interest in just performing. It wasn't like these were highly crafted songs, so they didn't seem to need all of the fuss that was being made over them.

I am suddenly deeply curious to hear this. What about "The Doldrums," Sexy? That seems to be the easiest to find...