Sea Devils And Die: GeroniMoffat's Doctor Who In The 2010s

this is obv an issue, so suggest starting a Dr Who thread w/"spoilers" in the title if you want to talk about not-yet-shown-on-screen stuff.

Yeah there was competition on all sides what with World Cup, Wimbledon, Glastonbury and the sunny weather, the latter being a pretty big deal given they'd moved it to an earlier time when most people would still have been out and about.

(There was similar handwringing when viewing figures slumped to 6m during Tennant's first season, wouldn't worry about it)

Anyone know what viewing figures were like in the late 80s?

Grisly. At one point it was something like the 140th most watched programme of the week.

Well, in the 80s it aired at 9pm, and that's when the pool closed, so I usually missed the beginning of most stories.

In terms of the actual numbers though the gap wasn't so huge - Who gets final ratings of 7m or so now, 8m on a good week: at its worst in the 80s it was doing half that I think. But 7-8m now for a drama is still OMG territory.

http://www.themindrobber.co.uk/ratings.html - there you go.

Wow, they're great. Never realised City of Death was the most-watched as well as the best-regarded, it probably bucks a trend in that sense.

And omg, I don't know whether I've made this connection before, but Season 23 is the point I stopped watching as a lad...and that's also the year it started airing against Coronation Street, right? ie I didn't lose interest so much as my mum stopped letting us have it on!

Gaiman is kind of a hack, I don't know why people are so hotly anticipating his episode.

That's my take on him too tbh.

He's an occasionally brilliant writer, hoping Dr Who will bring the brilliance out. His work can be quite hackish, but just look at some of his stuff - a hack could never have written Coraline, for example.

And Gaiman at his hackiest is way more interesting than a Chris Chibnall or Helen Raynor.

graveyard book was trash

Well, considering the size of Sandman, I'd say very occasionally.

No-one seems to have clocked to the part where the Doctor claims Pandorum is a fairy tale and River says something like arent we all??

A fairy tale (time)rewritten by someone who used to write loads of stories about the raggedy doctor, who turns out to be the most important person when time (or stories of the Doctor) needs to be rewritten.

Sorry but I'm on some 4th wall, postmoderney-woderney reading of all this. I think the creating of a Raggedy Doctor fairytale by Pond will be the end of season make-it-all-better device.

I still think I was close enough with this idea, but as I was cribbing from Final Crisis pretty heavily, It all must be organised by some Scottish re-boot cabal of which Moffat & Morrison are part of.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/FULL-LIFE-SIZE-DALEK-LICENSED-PLUS-EXTRAS-/130400802511?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item1e5c7e56cf

please watch the video. its hilarious. (wont spoil it by quoting it here)

haha, great!

Goddamn that thing is amazing, it even has gas??

depends what you feed it

Haha, that Dalek sounds a bit like David Bowie.

who also used to wear a ....
;)

Shadow isn't a Silurian.

― BLOODY BOLLOCKS HELL! (aldo), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 20:02 (1 month ago)

What is it?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/jul/12/doctor-who-christmas-special

"the most Christmassy Christmas special"

ruh-roh

I'd prefer the most timey-wimey christmas special

I think this means Moffatt will be going for all-out children's Christmassy magic, rather than RTD's "sit around the turkey bickering" idea of Christmas.

I have no idea who Katherine Jenkins is.

Singer. Face made of Botox.

Always meant to post this for Aldo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq32PJHZNYo

Welsh chick looks full-on Ginger Spice in that promo shot, minus the hair-dye.

Haha, hadn't heard that before. Could have made the lead line a bit more Jus Osborn solo-y to up thew doom effort, but good effort.

Whoever was asking about the graveyard shadow, it was supposed to be explained in The Big Bang that it was the Future Doctor (as was the same shadow in The Eleventh Hour) but since there were more unexplained things from the series that were supposed to be explained in The Big Bang than an unexplained things from the series that were supposed to be explained in The Big Bang convention it'll either get mentioned in Series 6 or, erm, won't. OMG may well still be a thing.

supposed by whom?

Supposed by the people who know these things.

http://avatars.ravelrycache.com/hamstergal/31045166/rorywedding_large.png

^^^I think this is the funniest avatar I have ever seen

I'm reckoning it was the Silurian.

Has Moff mentioned anywhere what kinda direction they're going to go with Rory's character? Is he still going to be kinda an Arthur Dent hapless fifth wheel or did 2,000 years of being a Blitz-surviving Centurion actually toughen the boy up?

Nothing's been said, but then we don't actually know what the current position is with him anyway. You can hear him say to Amy's mother at the wedding "I used to be made of plastic...", but how much he actually remembers I have no idea. Although I really liked him, he was mainly used to double the zing potential in his first series.

Of course it was a bloody Silurian. Good grief.

Anyone else heard the rumour that Nicky Wire is set to write an episode of Doctor Who? Not sure if banana suits will be involved.

http://www.manicstreetpreachers.com/global/blogs/diary/2010/07/21/nickys_blog_july

"I’ve been trying to write a script for Doctor Who called 'Do Not Go Gently', Wire writes on the Manics' website. "The idea is centred around Dylan Thomas's last days in New York. Of course it's going to have a massive f**king monster in it too."

Has everyone seen this?:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6J_3rsEwYVE

No-one's really matched Delia Derbyshire for eerie, spectral whooshing have they?

That cheesy Rory avatar is still making me laugh. I can't believe he has such a fan following.

I still think the Derbyshire version is the best TV theme ever. The Jon Pertwee one with the kazoo is such a mis-step it almost works, oddly enough.

I like the late T Baker/Davison one. Cool synth sounds.

Was that absurd Pertwee one ever even broadcast? I've never heard it before, and I've watched a fair bit of Third Doctor.

they did a delaware version in '73 or so that never(?) got broadcast but turned up on the recent Dr Who At The BBC cds (vol 1) - delia using a synth rather than the tapes of the original. starts at 1.06 in the video above.

the analogue effects in that video > the digital versions. baker and davidson seem very dated whereas the earlier ones somehow don't. but they do pick up again afterwards

having nightmares about starface mccoy winking at me

Starface McCoy would be an excellent hipster band name.

having nightmares about starface mccoys waving pitchfork reviews at me

It's the asthmatic wheezing in the original that I love the most. Also loving how in that video the Peter Howells and Dominic Glynn arrangements (second Tom clip, for Season 18 and second Colin, for Season 23) function as Westlife style key changes.

http://www.play.com/Gadgets/Gadgets/4-/15525212/Doctor-Who-Eleven-Doctors-Action-Figure-Collectible-Set/Product.html

Gosh, that McGann one was so jarringly awful that it made Murray Gold sound good. (Unless it was Murray Gold, obv. Failing to find out on the interwebs. I'm sure there isn't a Doctor Who FACT that is not on the internet 1000x over and it's just my searching skills lacking, though.)