Sea Devils And Die: GeroniMoffat's Doctor Who In The 2010s

But is it really spoiling to know which episode Gaiman has written?
Plot details sure, but just the name of the ep and when it'll air is hardly spoiling, surely.

Or I am entirely misunderstanding the conversation in which case I'll be over here. :)

Someone should just screengrab the Gaiman tweet - can't say much against that or BBC site drops.

ALDO was the one who started criticising BBC site info (but saying that he should spread it here even if he's opposed to it being there)!

But I checked Gaiman's twooter and there's nothing on it from the last few days, so presumably what I said three posts ago stands

No I fucking didn't, some people keep saying I did and I'm sick of people misquoting me.

What I criticised was the lazy and stupid journalism that allows you to interview your own stars IN THE SAME WEEK AS A CLIFFHANGER IN WHICH THEY'RE ACTUALLY DEAD to talk about where the show goes next. It's the failure to check what's happening on screen and/or the specific intent to charge off in the other direction regardless that I'm criticising. It's the degrading of television journalism to writing advertising copy, that the only thing it's there for is to SELL SELL SELL the show to increase viewing figures or drive the price up for overseas sales that depresses me. That's the reason I didn't think it was there, that changing the timing by ONE WEEK was all it took, but they were so desperate for more people to watch (which failed spectacularly tbh, lowest figures of the series) that they didn't give a flying fuck what was on the screen. Lazy or self-obsessed.

Same point with Gaiman, he's been scrupulous, except when he hasn't. If the general belief is that he has, does any journo have the right to blab it round, even if he's there?

Or shall I just fuck off again? I only came back because a couple of people wanted me to talk about Doctor Who (and I seem to have missed the Ghost Light chat already).

Did anyone really think that Amy was actually going to die after Rory shot her? If they were going to kill her, they'd have done it in the final ep of the season rather than as the cliffhanger.

Just remembered the scene with the two Amys in the museum, I love the schoolteachery way the Doctor talks to them - "come along, Ponds".

Breathe, aldo! Your criticism was bang on, but you DID also quote the objectionable material here. Go on and link to the BBC interview with Gaiman or the new Gaiman tweets, though.

People may have assumed that Amy wouldn't die, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't enjoy the tension of waiting to see WHETHER she did or HOW she got out of it - and the whole opening of the following episode was built on resolving this tension.

If they were going to kill her, they'd have done it in the final ep of the season rather than as the cliffhanger.

Adric didn't die in a season finale. Neither did Peri.

Yeah but the way they put seasons together has changed since then. It would be unthinkable to have the Doctor regenerate midway through a series these days.

Peri suffered a fate worse than death, actually.

I think fewer people watch early-evening TV in the summer - particularly on the big festival weekends and especially when the weather is good. I wish they would run Who in the autumn-to-Christmas zone instead.

Also would be scarier.

this is obv an issue, so suggest starting a Dr Who thread w/"spoilers" in the title if you want to talk about not-yet-shown-on-screen stuff.

Yeah there was competition on all sides what with World Cup, Wimbledon, Glastonbury and the sunny weather, the latter being a pretty big deal given they'd moved it to an earlier time when most people would still have been out and about.

(There was similar handwringing when viewing figures slumped to 6m during Tennant's first season, wouldn't worry about it)

Anyone know what viewing figures were like in the late 80s?

Grisly. At one point it was something like the 140th most watched programme of the week.

Well, in the 80s it aired at 9pm, and that's when the pool closed, so I usually missed the beginning of most stories.

In terms of the actual numbers though the gap wasn't so huge - Who gets final ratings of 7m or so now, 8m on a good week: at its worst in the 80s it was doing half that I think. But 7-8m now for a drama is still OMG territory.

http://www.themindrobber.co.uk/ratings.html - there you go.

Wow, they're great. Never realised City of Death was the most-watched as well as the best-regarded, it probably bucks a trend in that sense.

And omg, I don't know whether I've made this connection before, but Season 23 is the point I stopped watching as a lad...and that's also the year it started airing against Coronation Street, right? ie I didn't lose interest so much as my mum stopped letting us have it on!

Gaiman is kind of a hack, I don't know why people are so hotly anticipating his episode.

That's my take on him too tbh.

He's an occasionally brilliant writer, hoping Dr Who will bring the brilliance out. His work can be quite hackish, but just look at some of his stuff - a hack could never have written Coraline, for example.

And Gaiman at his hackiest is way more interesting than a Chris Chibnall or Helen Raynor.

graveyard book was trash

Well, considering the size of Sandman, I'd say very occasionally.

No-one seems to have clocked to the part where the Doctor claims Pandorum is a fairy tale and River says something like arent we all??

A fairy tale (time)rewritten by someone who used to write loads of stories about the raggedy doctor, who turns out to be the most important person when time (or stories of the Doctor) needs to be rewritten.

Sorry but I'm on some 4th wall, postmoderney-woderney reading of all this. I think the creating of a Raggedy Doctor fairytale by Pond will be the end of season make-it-all-better device.

I still think I was close enough with this idea, but as I was cribbing from Final Crisis pretty heavily, It all must be organised by some Scottish re-boot cabal of which Moffat & Morrison are part of.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/FULL-LIFE-SIZE-DALEK-LICENSED-PLUS-EXTRAS-/130400802511?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item1e5c7e56cf

please watch the video. its hilarious. (wont spoil it by quoting it here)

haha, great!

Goddamn that thing is amazing, it even has gas??

depends what you feed it

Haha, that Dalek sounds a bit like David Bowie.

who also used to wear a ....
;)

Shadow isn't a Silurian.

― BLOODY BOLLOCKS HELL! (aldo), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 20:02 (1 month ago)

What is it?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/jul/12/doctor-who-christmas-special

"the most Christmassy Christmas special"

ruh-roh

I'd prefer the most timey-wimey christmas special

I think this means Moffatt will be going for all-out children's Christmassy magic, rather than RTD's "sit around the turkey bickering" idea of Christmas.

I have no idea who Katherine Jenkins is.

Singer. Face made of Botox.

Always meant to post this for Aldo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq32PJHZNYo

Welsh chick looks full-on Ginger Spice in that promo shot, minus the hair-dye.

Haha, hadn't heard that before. Could have made the lead line a bit more Jus Osborn solo-y to up thew doom effort, but good effort.

Whoever was asking about the graveyard shadow, it was supposed to be explained in The Big Bang that it was the Future Doctor (as was the same shadow in The Eleventh Hour) but since there were more unexplained things from the series that were supposed to be explained in The Big Bang than an unexplained things from the series that were supposed to be explained in The Big Bang convention it'll either get mentioned in Series 6 or, erm, won't. OMG may well still be a thing.

supposed by whom?

Supposed by the people who know these things.

http://avatars.ravelrycache.com/hamstergal/31045166/rorywedding_large.png

^^^I think this is the funniest avatar I have ever seen

I'm reckoning it was the Silurian.

Has Moff mentioned anywhere what kinda direction they're going to go with Rory's character? Is he still going to be kinda an Arthur Dent hapless fifth wheel or did 2,000 years of being a Blitz-surviving Centurion actually toughen the boy up?

Nothing's been said, but then we don't actually know what the current position is with him anyway. You can hear him say to Amy's mother at the wedding "I used to be made of plastic...", but how much he actually remembers I have no idea. Although I really liked him, he was mainly used to double the zing potential in his first series.

Of course it was a bloody Silurian. Good grief.

Anyone else heard the rumour that Nicky Wire is set to write an episode of Doctor Who? Not sure if banana suits will be involved.

http://www.manicstreetpreachers.com/global/blogs/diary/2010/07/21/nickys_blog_july

"I’ve been trying to write a script for Doctor Who called 'Do Not Go Gently', Wire writes on the Manics' website. "The idea is centred around Dylan Thomas's last days in New York. Of course it's going to have a massive f**king monster in it too."

Has everyone seen this?:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6J_3rsEwYVE

No-one's really matched Delia Derbyshire for eerie, spectral whooshing have they?