Yes, except WHY IS THERE ALWAYS ONE WITH A SHITTY PERM??
― Raw, Uncompromising, and Noodly (noodle vague), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 19:35 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 19:36 (eighteen years ago) link
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 19:49 (eighteen years ago) link
What I was getting at earlier is that "this generation" has to refer to today's teens -- I still don't really buy the whole "Nirvana : teens of 1990s / MCR : teens of today" argument though.
― mike h. (mike h.), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 19:50 (eighteen years ago) link
I just hope she realizes that before long, IT WILL HAPPEN TO HER.
― Terrible Cold (Terrible Cold), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 19:53 (eighteen years ago) link
― mike h. (mike h.), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 20:02 (eighteen years ago) link
― Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 20:08 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 20:13 (eighteen years ago) link
So just to talk about the kind of music under discussion here more generally, here's the thing about these bands. They're the biggest group of white-people guitar bands in recent decades to combine three things -- actually let's say four things. All of these terms are used advisedly, because they're not quite accurate, but let's give it a shot:
- fashion- earnestness / stylized torment- hard rock (relatively)- grand pop ambition
There are a lot of exceptions here -- exceptions to the idea that we haven't seen that combination in a while -- but most of the ones that spring to mind (for me, anyway) seem like some of the main influences on lots of today's bands: Smashing Pumpkins, NIN, etc.
― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 20:15 (eighteen years ago) link
Maybe people should listen to music instead of spending all their time placing it in some historical social context.
― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 20:16 (eighteen years ago) link
It's interesting how on ILM instead of having arguments about a band's authenticity we have arguments about the audience's authenticity.
― Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 20:22 (eighteen years ago) link
― Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 20:23 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 20:25 (eighteen years ago) link
― whatever (boglogger), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 20:25 (eighteen years ago) link
http://news.softpedia.com/images/news2/Nine-Inch-Nails-banned-out-from-MTV-Movie-Awards-2.jpg
http://www.andiemarkoebyrne.com/2005/my%20chemical%20romance325.jpg
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 20:26 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 20:28 (eighteen years ago) link
― Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 20:30 (eighteen years ago) link
― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 20:30 (eighteen years ago) link
Kee-rist, man. Can we not do both?
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 20:32 (eighteen years ago) link
Absolutely not, there's a law against that.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 20:32 (eighteen years ago) link
We can do both, but I find the "next best thing" idea to be a bit infantile. Don't you? Isn't this topic basically older guys living vicariously through the rock heroes of today's kids? It's one thing to have idols when we're teenagers, but to look for idols when we're supposedly adults is a bit odd to me. Does it matter what rock band becomes the next Nirvana to the kids today?
From a sociological or cultural perspective, this might be interesting. But I can't imagine mustering more than bland, neutral pleasure from trying to experience it as kids today do.
― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 20:37 (eighteen years ago) link
― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 20:39 (eighteen years ago) link
― nancyboy (nancyboy), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 20:39 (eighteen years ago) link
― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 20:40 (eighteen years ago) link
Anyway, I'm calling MCR = this generation's CCR.
― rogermexico (rogermexico), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 20:51 (eighteen years ago) link
― dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 20:54 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 20:56 (eighteen years ago) link
people have niches, that's fine, but niches age too. if MCR falls in your particular row to hoe and you ignore them in favour of similar bands from 10 years ago, that's your prerogative, but you will likely find that the audience for your writing will rise in average age, as well as steadily decrease in size.
― yuengling participle (rotten03), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 21:01 (eighteen years ago) link
― mike h. (mike h.), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 21:12 (eighteen years ago) link
And I actually agree with some of what Ultragrrl is saying.
― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 21:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 21:17 (eighteen years ago) link
― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 21:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 21:44 (eighteen years ago) link
― winter testing, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 21:47 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dan (What's Next, The Cultural Ramifications Of Lifehouse?) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 21:48 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 21:49 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dan (Find One (1) Interesting Band) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 21:50 (eighteen years ago) link
― ant@work, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 22:15 (eighteen years ago) link
― mike h. (mike h.), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 22:18 (eighteen years ago) link
no, the problem with all this is not not the writing of how to not be able to not enjoy some dumbass group that does not cut the mustard just like the rest of 'em, not.
― whatever (boglogger), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 22:32 (eighteen years ago) link
And oh how my heart is bent.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 22:35 (eighteen years ago) link
Keep in mind that Ultragrrrl likes to think that she 'discovered' MCR (although they were widely known in NY/NJ long before she knew who they were, and on their way to a major-label contract), and it's pretty obvious to me that she sees herself as this generation's Malcolm McLaren or something. She probably thinks the Misshapes parties are the 00's version of Max's Kansas City or CBGB.
― cdwill (cdwill), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 22:46 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 22:49 (eighteen years ago) link
Completely true and OTM, but then someone says something like this --
some dumbass group that does not cut the mustard just like the rest of 'em, not
-- which doesn't fly for me. The issue isn't this group in particular; it's a lot of groups like this, and the fact that they're actual formative favorite-band material for lots of kids. It's a whole musical worldview and grounding that a sizeable number of people are going to have. Casting any one band as not-cutting-mustard is fair enough and often accurate, but insufficient to really understand the gaps between those different musical worldviews.
― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 22:52 (eighteen years ago) link
― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 22:56 (eighteen years ago) link
― yuengling participle (rotten03), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 23:03 (eighteen years ago) link
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 23:06 (eighteen years ago) link
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 23:08 (eighteen years ago) link