"It's The End Of The World As We Know It" vs. "We Didn't Start The Fire": which is more annoying, and why?

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You should've set her on fire.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 21 February 2005 17:47 (nineteen years ago) link

oh man I bet that teacher thought he/she was cool.

teeny (teeny), Monday, 21 February 2005 17:47 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't know why you go to extremes, Alex.

(Storm Front just might be his worst album. But this is a bit like saying which torture instrument one can think of stings the worst.)

oh man I bet that teacher thought he/she was cool.

Rivalry in the cool stakes -- the bio professor who heralded each test in her class with Kenny Loggins' "Danger Zone," so as to alert us to the incipient worry of an exam. (The year was 1991 or so.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 21 February 2005 17:49 (nineteen years ago) link

My seventh grade teacher made us all sit around listening to Bookends by Simon & Garfunkel.

I don't know why you go to extremes, Alex.

::rimshot::::

You may be right, Ned, I may be crazy.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 21 February 2005 17:51 (nineteen years ago) link

You're just a big shot. You and your Halston dress.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 21 February 2005 17:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, Ned, you're only a woman to me.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 21 February 2005 17:55 (nineteen years ago) link

whoops, always a woman. Fuck, messed up a joke.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 21 February 2005 17:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Did you spend your weekend on the Jersey shore? You know I love you just the way you are.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 21 February 2005 17:56 (nineteen years ago) link

You guys are all high. We didn't start the fire is awesome..

Bahhahahahah! Fuck that shit.

dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 21 February 2005 17:56 (nineteen years ago) link

I have no scars on my face, and I cannot handle pressure.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 21 February 2005 17:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Actually I like imagining what scenes in an Italian restaurant with Alex must be like.

"The cook did not HONOR THE GAS FLAME!"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 21 February 2005 17:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Teeny, that teacher thought he was TOO COOL FOR SCHOOL. When he pointed at the chalkboard, he THREW TEH HORNS.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 21 February 2005 17:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeesh, Billy Joel, pas question.

Ian Riese-Moraine (Eastern Mantra), Monday, 21 February 2005 18:06 (nineteen years ago) link

When I was in 8th grade I had a history teacher who made us do a paper detailing each of the events in the 3rd verse of "We Didn't Start the Fire". Seriously, fuck the fuck out of "We Didn't Start The Fire".

Haha! My jr high social studies teacher made us listen to that in class too!

He also did a (in hindsight) very very questionable "slave auction" during our CIvil War chapter....other students could buy other students and make them carry their books and stuff....I was a slave...it was supposed to make us think about slavery in a new way, he said, but it seems very inappropirate in hindsight.

the wierd thing was that the slave auction used this paper money that he made....the money was small photocopies of 10 dollar bils but replaced the picture with Willie Nelson....our teacher was a huge huge Willie fan...had a picture of him up in the classroom.....

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 21 February 2005 18:30 (nineteen years ago) link

When I was in 8th grade I had a history teacher who made us do a paper detailing each of the events in the 3rd verse of "We Didn't Start the Fire". Seriously, fuck the fuck out of "We Didn't Start The Fire".
Haha! My jr high social studies teacher made us listen to that in class too!

Maybe it should be required listening, just like "Pump pump pump a pump pump a pumps your blood" is required listening in Biology.

dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 21 February 2005 18:34 (nineteen years ago) link

..no child left behind, ya know...

dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 21 February 2005 18:34 (nineteen years ago) link

haha that story is super-creepy Matt

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 21 February 2005 18:46 (nineteen years ago) link

seriously guys seriously, fuck Billy Joel

Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Monday, 21 February 2005 18:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Middle school teachers are all creepy.

Aaron A., Monday, 21 February 2005 18:49 (nineteen years ago) link

i like the REM one more

Sven Bastard (blueski), Monday, 21 February 2005 18:52 (nineteen years ago) link

I wish I would have saved some of the Willie Nelson money, though.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 21 February 2005 18:52 (nineteen years ago) link

A truly great question, though I suspect if Joel came on the radio I'd have to listen to it all the way through (kinda like smelling your own farts) just to join in with the 'JFK!' bit whereas REM would just get turned off straight away.
PUt it this way - I can imagine watching a load of Billy Joel fans dancing and singing along to 'Fire' and just being totally amused. Whereas the idea of watching a load of REM fans mouthing the words of 'WOrld' to each other is making my skin crawl even writing it down.
SO - Joel is less annoying cos you can enjoy it as one of the worse singles ever this side of Spandau's 'Through The Barricades'. Whereas REM just make you want to kill them before that spindly cunt of a lead singer even has a chance to start whining.

Neil Kulkarni, Monday, 21 February 2005 18:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Whereas REM just make you want to kill them before that spindly cunt of a lead singer even has a chance to start whining.

Bahahahahahahahahahahaha

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 21 February 2005 18:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Whereas REM just make you want to kill them before that spindly cunt of a lead singer even has a chance to start whining.

Bahahahahahahahahahahaha

I don't get why people hate Stipe so much....seriously....he gets namechecked for death more than anyone....

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 21 February 2005 19:00 (nineteen years ago) link

"Everybody Huuuuuurts."

dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 21 February 2005 19:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Goddamn, Neil, where have you been? Post more often! Also please let me know if you'll be around London in July.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 21 February 2005 19:01 (nineteen years ago) link

uhhh...."we didn't start the fire" is an AWESOME song.

rockaction (rockaction), Monday, 21 February 2005 19:09 (nineteen years ago) link

You are a sick fuck.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 21 February 2005 19:15 (nineteen years ago) link

uuuh.....NO, IT'S NOT!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 21 February 2005 19:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Spandau's 'Through The Barricades'

That was never a hit here so when I first heard it I was all 'What the...martial drums, what IS all this?'

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 21 February 2005 19:16 (nineteen years ago) link

TROUBLE IN THE SUUUUUUUUUUUEZ!

He also did a (in hindsight) very very questionable "slave auction" during our CIvil War chapter....other students could buy other students and make them carry their books and stuff....I was a slave...it was supposed to make us think about slavery in a new way, he said, but it seems very inappropirate in hindsight.

the wierd thing was that the slave auction used this paper money that he made....the money was small photocopies of 10 dollar bils but replaced the picture with Willie Nelson....our teacher was a huge huge Willie fan...had a picture of him up in the classroom.....

This sounds like the lyrics of Boceaphus' "If the South Woulda Won" come to life.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 21 February 2005 19:20 (nineteen years ago) link

This sounds like the lyrics of Boceaphus' "If the South Woulda Won" come to life

yeah except this was Minnesota...and I don't think he was like racist...just clueless...honestly he wasn't a bad guy....HS wrestling coach....His Willie obsession was HUGE though.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 21 February 2005 19:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Someone named Helgeson from Minnesota? Get out of here!

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 21 February 2005 19:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Whereas REM just make you want to kill them before that spindly cunt of a lead singer even has a chance to start whining.
-- Neil Kulkarni

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dubioususeof"you"inthatsentencetoo
btwloveyourwritingingeneralnoreally

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Monday, 21 February 2005 19:41 (nineteen years ago) link

What would happen if we were all together in a room and We Didn't Start The Fire was playing on repeat for 36 hours and we couldn't get out or turn it off? Concussions galore!

Seriously, although both songs are nearly equally as repulsive now, the REM was at LEAST somewhat bearable when it came out.

Bimble... (Bimble...), Monday, 21 February 2005 19:45 (nineteen years ago) link

The REM song is still one of the half-dozen best songs they ever did, or at least one of the half-dozen that I liked. Doing a "Subterranean Homesick Blues" rewrite freed Stipe from even the pretense of writing lyrics that "meant" something (good) so you could enjoy 'em just for the SOUND. (And I'm still not sure whether Stipe sings "Turn 'em into turn 'em into turn 'em into flies!" OR "Tournament of tournament of tournament of lies!", as if it makes any difference.) Plus it was still cool to namecheck Lester Bangs in '87.

I've defended certain Billy Joel works here in the past, but "We Didn't Start The Fire" is just unspeakable, esp. the video (which I've never even seen in full, just clips & stills; but as George Bernard Shaw said, "You don't have to eat a whole egg to know it's rotten.")

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Monday, 21 February 2005 19:46 (nineteen years ago) link

"Fire" introduced the phrase "space monkey mafia" into the lexicon, so it deserves some points for that.

bruno ponce-jones, Monday, 21 February 2005 19:47 (nineteen years ago) link

His Willie obsession was HUGE though.

didn't that make the locker room a little awkward?

Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Monday, 21 February 2005 19:48 (nineteen years ago) link

hat's great, it starts with an earthquake, birds and snakes, Harry Truman, Doris Day, an aeroplane and Lenny Bruce is not afraid.
Red China, Johnnie Ray
South Pacific, eye of a hurricane, listen to yourself churn - Walter Winchell, Joe DiMaggio, world serves its own needs, television dummy serve your own needs.
Feed it off an aux speak, Joe McCarthy, Richard Nixon, Studebaker - grunt, no, strength, North Korea, South Korea, Marilyn Monroe, Ladder start to clatter with fear fight down height.
Wire in a fire, Rosenbergs, H-Bomb, Sugar Ray, Panmunjom representing seven games, a government for hire and a combat site.
Left of west and Brando, "The King and I", and "The Catcher in the Rye", coming in a hurry with the furies breathing down your neck.

Eisenhower, vaccine, England's got a new queen, team by team reporters baffled, trumped, tethered cropped.
Look at that low playing! Fine, then.
Uh oh, overflow, population, common food, but it'll do.
Save yourself, serve yourself.
World serves its own needs, Marciano, Liberace, listen to your heart bleed dummy with the rapture and the revered and the right, right.
You vitriolic, patriotic, slam, fight, bright light, feeling pretty psyched. Santayana goodbye.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 21 February 2005 19:55 (nineteen years ago) link

didn't that make the locker room a little awkward?

hahahah

Bimble... (Bimble...), Monday, 21 February 2005 20:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Someone named Helgeson from Minnesota? Get out of here!

UFF DA!

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 21 February 2005 20:15 (nineteen years ago) link

HUSKER DU, WHICH IN NORWEGIAN MEANS, DO YOU REMEMBER?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 21 February 2005 20:15 (nineteen years ago) link

WHERE ALL THE WOMEN ARE STRONG, ALL THE MEN ARE GOOD LOOKING, AND ALL THE CHILDREN ARE ABOVE-AVERAGE!

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 21 February 2005 20:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Racist. Oh wait.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 21 February 2005 20:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Anyway, come on, dude, Arcwelder/Odds tour. You know it will rock Brainerd.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 21 February 2005 20:19 (nineteen years ago) link

not realy the same thing, but:

"We Didn't Start the Fire" >>> "1985"

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Monday, 21 February 2005 20:25 (nineteen years ago) link

ANA VOOG IS SLEEPING!!!

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 21 February 2005 20:26 (nineteen years ago) link

"End of the World" is worse. At least Billy Joel had the good sense to retire.

Mr. Snrub, Monday, 21 February 2005 21:40 (nineteen years ago) link

And there is NOTHING AT ALL cool with Lester Bangs or namechecking Lester Bangs.

Mr. Snrub, Monday, 21 February 2005 21:41 (nineteen years ago) link

lester bangs is not afraid

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 21 February 2005 21:52 (nineteen years ago) link

"It's the End of the World as We Know It" is a joke, "We Didn't Start The Fire" isn't.
"It's the End of the World as We Know It" wins.

dan. (dan.), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 16:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Dan may have a point, there. I don't believe R.E.M intended their song to be taken so very deathly seriously, whereas Joel seems to so trying to make some sort've oh-so-earnest statement........like a dick.

http://www2.msstate.edu/~els4/billyjoelvideopic.gif

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 16:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh god, that video...

dan. (dan.), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 16:51 (nineteen years ago) link

It's The End of the World... is a great song....

Billy Joel is a ham-fisted choad. always has been always will be.*

*although I've always really dug Pressure and Allentown....I'm a Nylon Curtain kinda guy!

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 16:59 (nineteen years ago) link

I so love the word "choad".

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 17:04 (nineteen years ago) link

R.E.M. has stopped playing that song in their live sets

No, they just changed the words to something about a Bad Day.

which is more annoying, and why?

This is like asking people to choose between different shades of shit.

Onimo (GerryNemo), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 17:05 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm quite happy to choose between those. Worst = red (I have never experienced this but it might indicate something as serious as cancer, or bilharzia), followed by yellow and then black.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 17:52 (nineteen years ago) link

No, they just changed the words to something about a Bad Day.

Actually, they haven't been playing that one much either. They were playing both every night on the 2003 tour.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 18:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Interestingly, they've been revisiting a lot of Monster/Hi Fi era music in the past few weeks.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 18:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Also: "Bad Day" predates "It's End of the World As We Know It." It's technically an early version.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 18:48 (nineteen years ago) link

The only BJ (haha, nice initials TOOL) song that bothers me nearly as much as "...Fire" is whichever one goes "IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, I GO WALKIN IN MY blah blah blah".

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 18:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Like it or not Alex, your moniker signifies that you should have at least some passing interest in Mr. Joel. Unless you're a transplant. Like it or not, the guy defines blue collar NYC from the mid 70s to the mid 80s.

57 7th (calstars), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 19:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Like it or not Alex, your moniker signifies that you should have at least some passing interest in Mr. Joel. Unless you're a transplant. Like it or not, the guy defines blue collar NYC from the mid 70s to the mid 80s.

Well, for a start, Billy Joel is from LONG ISLAND, not NYC, so there goes your theory down the toilet, and I'm no transplant.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 20:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Oyster Bay, to be precise.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 20:06 (nineteen years ago) link

From the town known as Oyster Bay, Long Island
Rode a boy with a six-pack in his hand

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 20:08 (nineteen years ago) link

R.E.M. has stopped playing that song in their live sets

I have yet to see a single R.E.M. show where they don't play this song. And I've seen six or seven. As for reading lyrics off a sheet, Stipe always does that, and not just to this song. I find it a pretty innocuous affectation.

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 20:15 (nineteen years ago) link

The answer to the question is Hello by The Beloved.

naw, it's Can You Dig It? by Pop Will Eat Itself!

heywood jablomi (heywood), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 21:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Billy Joel should have his nuts smashed on an anvil by gnomes for inflicting this song upon me.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 21:36 (nineteen years ago) link

"We Didn't Start The Fire (Argh Argh Not My Eyes)"

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 21:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Hey, I found a song that's much worse!

Sample lyrics:

Gays Have a Marriage Ban, Troops in Afghanistan
May be an Angry Turk, Health Insurance is a Perk

Wedgewood, Baptist Church, Hurricanes, Google Search
Terrorists in New York, No one has to Go to Work!

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 21:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Billy Joel should have his nuts smashed on an anvil by gnomes for inflicting this song upon me.

YEAH!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 21:52 (nineteen years ago) link

I wish that Billy Joel would really set himself on fire.

What happened to that cute kid in the "End of the World" video? He must be like, 40 by now.

Sara Sherr, Wednesday, 23 February 2005 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

The relative inscrutability of the video is REM's get-out-of-jail-free card in this contest!

Nag! Nag! Nag! (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 02:30 (nineteen years ago) link

The video for "We Didn't Start THe Fire" would be great if it featured Billy Joel being flayed alive by the cast of "Empty Nest" alternating with pictures of kittens.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 02:40 (nineteen years ago) link

has anyone mentioned how "We Didn't Start The Fire" had the lyrics changed in Ireland so it could become a cash-in on Italia '90?

DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 18:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Will Farrell, Tommy Franks, Ivory Coast, Low Blood Banks
Mad Cows all Chewed, Santana Still a Cool Dude

hahahahahahahahhahahahaha

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 18:52 (nineteen years ago) link

eight years pass...

Just dropped by to say that these two songs can still fuck off

Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 18 May 2013 20:41 (eleven years ago) link

I had turned forty. It was 1989 and I said "Okay, what's happened in my life?" I wrote down the year 1949. Okay, Harry Truman was president. Popular singer of the day, Doris Day. China went Communist. Another popular singer, Johnnie Ray. Big Broadway show, South Pacific. Journalist, Walter Winchell. Athlete, Joe DiMaggio. Then I went on to 1950 [...]. It's one of the worst melodies I've ever written. I kind of like the lyric though

Michigan seems like a dream to me now (Treeship), Saturday, 18 May 2013 20:50 (eleven years ago) link

Ha ha

Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 18 May 2013 23:54 (eleven years ago) link

Terrified by that ellipsis and the suggestion that he went through each year of the song in the same droning fashion. "...the pill, that was birth control. The Vietnam War - Ho Chi Minh. The '68 election, Richard Nixon back again..."

Doctor Casino, Sunday, 19 May 2013 00:41 (eleven years ago) link

one month passes...

Milo Greene Is The Joel Machine

Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 25 June 2013 16:47 (ten years ago) link

ten years pass...

Matt H's history class story is incredible

very sneaky cis (symsymsym), Thursday, 29 June 2023 04:14 (ten months ago) link


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