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Wait... if _El Producto_ gets a 10, does _Bareback Ride_ get a 15? Does _Miss Happiness_ get a 200?

(The Amon Tobin ranking is completely OTM, though.)

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 16 April 2004 13:50 (twenty years ago) link

(63%) Velvet Underground: Loaded
[Atlantic; 1970; r: Rhino; 1997] Rating: 10.0 - Review by: Ryan Schreiber
Oh come ON.

― The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Friday, 16 April 2004 13:50 (twenty years ago) link

Pink Floyd: Animals? I mean, it's kind of OK but honestly...

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 16 April 2004 13:58 (twenty years ago) link

the albums that get ten are either boringly obvious or annoyingly bizarre (in other words, i want to have my pitchfork-bashing cake and eat it!)

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Friday, 16 April 2004 14:01 (twenty years ago) link

Loaded is one of only two albums that I'd give a 10 to on that list.

― Johnney B (Johnney B), Friday, 16 April 2004 14:11 (twenty years ago) link

Seriously? Loaded? 9 at best.

― The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Friday, 16 April 2004 14:12 (twenty years ago) link

_Animals_ is far and away the best Pink Floyd album (and that is not damning with faint praise, I actually LIKE PINK FLOYD OH NO ILM MUST STONE THE INFIDEL).

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 16 April 2004 14:17 (twenty years ago) link

I always knew you were a dork.

― The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Friday, 16 April 2004 14:18 (twenty years ago) link

Adventure seems quite underrated compared to the 10 that Marquee Moon gets (and deserves). Adventure would be at least a 9.1 in my landscape.

― southern lights (southern lights), Friday, 16 April 2004 16:22 (twenty years ago) link

Raw Power is good, but not a ten. Slanted and Enchanted was not a ten. This Nation's Saving Grace is only a ten if about ten other Fall albums are also ten. Loaded is not a ten.

Odds and Sods is not a ten!!!!!!!

― Tim Ellison, Friday, 16 April 2004 16:42 (twenty years ago) link

Neither was Kid A, OK Computer or The Soft Bulletin. Although Ascension was good, it still isn't a 10.0.

― Ds (ikue mori), Friday, 16 April 2004 16:55 (twenty years ago) link

Way to go out on a limb and call the guy with "harvard.edu" in his email address a dork, Huck! ;-)

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 16 April 2004 16:57 (twenty years ago) link

You don't think it's 10? I guess that would make that the opinion of person who reviewed the album then, huh? Interesting, very interesting.

― David Allen (David Allen), Friday, 16 April 2004 17:04 (twenty years ago) link

live at the apollo is definitely a ten

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 16 April 2004 17:13 (twenty years ago) link

PF should really leave alone the canonized reissues.

― Al (sitcom), Friday, 16 April 2004 17:15 (twenty years ago) link

WHEREZ SKYNDRD ON THEIR LIST

― Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 16 April 2004 17:58 (twenty years ago) link

whom I really do like

― Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 16 April 2004 17:59 (twenty years ago) link

this is a fair list of good albums but pfork is seriously guilty (always been guilty) of grade inflation for good albums.

i think at a certain point pfork should adopt the richter scale or something: so that a 8.0 is ten times better than an 7.0, and a 9.0 is ten times better than an 8.0. that'll weed out those spurious 10.0 albums real fast.

― vahid (vahid), Friday, 16 April 2004 18:14 (twenty years ago) link

The 10.0 looks more discriminating if you consider that the rating has only gone to a couple dozen albums out of the nearly 5,000 reviews now in the Pitchfork archives.

But it is interesting that we haven't given out a 10.0 to a new album for a couple years. Maybe the rating is too inaccessible/canonical ... Trail of Dead doesn't hold up to my ears, but I like that Ryan took a chance on it.

― Chris Dahlen (Chris Dahlen), Friday, 16 April 2004 18:37 (twenty years ago) link

Its not all that many 10s considering how many albums they reviewed. (xpost) Whatever the albums were that got 10s theyd be getting shit for it. The 0s and 10s are probably the only ones you can trust as actual opinions anyway because I assume a lot of the rest are based on whos advertising w/them or things of that nature.

So Chris Dahlen do you all have some kind of conference call when 10s are decided?

― christhamrin (christhamrin), Friday, 16 April 2004 18:39 (twenty years ago) link

Hahaha conference call.

― christhamrin (christhamrin), Friday, 16 April 2004 18:40 (twenty years ago) link

I like Wilco, but who the fuck gives Wilco a ten for anything they've done?

― Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 16 April 2004 18:43 (twenty years ago) link

i remember a spin anniversary issue waaaay back when they chose the 100 best singles of all time. #1 was "it takes two". i think the point was that the best song of all time may just be the one you want to play over and over again *right at that moment*. Can you really knock a college kid for giving his favorite band of the moment a 10/10 (Walt Mink / 12 Rods)? Eh, it may make me feel better because time has proven otherwise, but fuck all, I would have given a ton of albums a 10/10 upon first two weeks worth of listens only to have time prove me wrong. Maybe I'll start my first thread on that same subject.

― jds, Friday, 16 April 2004 18:46 (twenty years ago) link

So Chris Dahlen do you all have some kind of conference call when 10s are decided?

Ha - no, it's not that sacred. It's all up to Ryan. I sent in my 10.0's and he went with them.

― Chris Dahlen (Chris Dahlen), Friday, 16 April 2004 18:48 (twenty years ago) link

Well you should start now. This is serious business man.

― christhamrin (christhamrin), Friday, 16 April 2004 18:50 (twenty years ago) link

I think people got a little gun shy after there were two 10.0s for new releases in one year (Trail of Dead & Wilco). I think a 10 is discussed a bit between Ryan and the writer (I wouldn't know -- never given one.) No conference call. (x-post)

― Mark (MarkR), Friday, 16 April 2004 18:50 (twenty years ago) link

I assume a lot of the rest are based on whos advertising w/them or things of that nature.

This should be obvious, but I've never set a rating based on anything but what I thought it deserved, and Ryan has almost never disagreed with or tried to sway a rating, especially for financial reasons.

― Chris Dahlen (Chris Dahlen), Friday, 16 April 2004 18:51 (twenty years ago) link

That Walt Mink record deserves, at it's very best, a 10 out of a 100.

― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 16 April 2004 18:52 (twenty years ago) link

(See above point re: _El Producto_ vs _Miss Happiness_)

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 16 April 2004 18:53 (twenty years ago) link

I have two cousins in 12 Rods and I never understood who their audience was or why they were signed to V2 (second after Mercury Rev!)... then I saw the Pitchfork thing and it all made sense. Then their second album came out, big budget, produced by Rundgren, Pitchfork hated it, band unceremoniously dropped from V2, banished to the netherworld...

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 16 April 2004 18:54 (twenty years ago) link

That Walt Mink record deserves, at it's very best, a 10 out of a 100.

10 out 100? you mean a 1.0 out of 10.0, right? what's with the decimals, anyway? is there that much nuance between a 6 and a 7?

― jds, Friday, 16 April 2004 18:55 (twenty years ago) link

Many years ago Pitchfork ratings were given percentage grades (i.e. 73%). They were converted to number ratings with a decimal around 1999.

― Mark (MarkR), Friday, 16 April 2004 18:58 (twenty years ago) link

I have two cousins in 12 Rods

You're cousin to the Olcotts? Small world! (I know Evan slightly through the MBV list he ran, which is actually how I heard about 12 Rods in the first place -- I still get random mailouts.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 16 April 2004 19:00 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, we have an oddly musical family. Evan and Ryan are my 1st cousins, and we're also cousins with Jon "Quitty" Quittner (guitarist for Tight Bros from Way Back When and bassist in Behead the Prophet), and then my brother Jay runs ARTHUR.

We should put together some kind of multi-media world tour...

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 16 April 2004 19:04 (twenty years ago) link

i find three 9.9's:

(63%) Miles Davis: Live/Evil
[Columbia; 1970; r: 1997] Rating: 9.9 - Review by: Ryan Schreiber

(63%) Björk: Homogenic
[Elektra; 1997] Rating: 9.9 - Review by: Ryan Schreiber

(63%) John Lennon: Imagine: Digitally Remastered and Remixed
[Capitol] Rating: 9.9 - Review by: Brent DiCrescenzo

― jds, Friday, 16 April 2004 19:05 (twenty years ago) link

I dunno, I'd give the 10.0 to Live Evil and the 9.9 to Kind of Blue, myself. But I'm partial to Miles' electric period (that isn't even the best of his electric period albums either).

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 16 April 2004 19:06 (twenty years ago) link

There is one album on that list that was turned in with a review under 10. Let the guessing begin.

Hint: it is not the VU album

― dleone (dleone), Friday, 16 April 2004 19:09 (twenty years ago) link

sorry Shakey no way does Live Evil deserve a 10.0, the 9.9 is spot on. and also you're way off about Kind of Blue, it's a mere 9.8

― Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 16 April 2004 19:10 (twenty years ago) link

my favorite ten-that-wasn't:

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/e/eminem/eminem-show.shtml

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 16 April 2004 19:14 (twenty years ago) link

Ethan, I swear, if you wanna put out a 'zine of just your writing I will help bankroll that azz

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 16 April 2004 19:15 (twenty years ago) link

Live at the Apollo?

― Mark (MarkR), Friday, 16 April 2004 19:16 (twenty years ago) link

only you gotta let me edit the shit out of it, or at least pretend to, because half the fun is the tension between yourself and your enemy/editor

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 16 April 2004 19:16 (twenty years ago) link

john OTM - they should've run his jay-z review by itself.

― vahid (vahid), Friday, 16 April 2004 19:16 (twenty years ago) link

I'd have admitted if it was me, Mark.

― dleone (dleone), Friday, 16 April 2004 19:17 (twenty years ago) link

I've seen a 'zine Ethan did, but it was a comic & not about music. Pretty cool drawings & a v. weird story.

― Mark (MarkR), Friday, 16 April 2004 19:17 (twenty years ago) link

Oh yeah I remember now.

― Mark (MarkR), Friday, 16 April 2004 19:19 (twenty years ago) link

now that pitchfork has decided my best years are behind me I guess I can safely bitch about 'em like everybody else, ha ha

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 16 April 2004 19:20 (twenty years ago) link

The Flaming Lips get a 0.0 (Zaireka) AND a 10.0 (Soft Bulletin)???

Fickle indie brats.

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Friday, 16 April 2004 19:25 (twenty years ago) link

I believe it's called "smelling which way the wind is blowing"

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 16 April 2004 19:25 (twenty years ago) link

Actually the Flaming Lips thing can be summed in up two words: Jason Josephs

― Mark (MarkR), Friday, 16 April 2004 19:42 (twenty years ago) link

Skipping 88 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

(My mistake, for some reason I thought Dom wrote it. But yes, the above applies to Nick too.)

― Mark (MarkR), Friday, 7 May 2004 17:03 (nineteen years ago) link

but can you dance to boards of canada? maybe on whippets?

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 7 May 2004 17:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Re. oops' post: He doesn't have to like dance music! But is he REALLY saying that he doesn't like any dance music that has soul music precedents and no punk precedents or is he just making a non-funny, blanket statement "joke," thinking that he's really tellin' the truth and being provocative?

― Tim Ellison, Friday, 7 May 2004 17:08 (nineteen years ago) link

this seems to completely not acknowledge that most of BOC's music is rooted in hip-hop beats.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 7 May 2004 17:09 (nineteen years ago) link

I mean it's a semi-charming thesis that electronic dance music comes solely from disco (and maybe one cribbed from ILM?) but it's pretty patently stupid on its face.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 7 May 2004 17:11 (nineteen years ago) link

cutty, he doesn't say BoC is dance music!

anyway, if ppl want a PFM dance music-related abomination, it's elsewhere on the page...I'm off to stick my head into a hole in the ground.

― scott pl. (scott pl.), Friday, 7 May 2004 17:12 (nineteen years ago) link

i know, i was just throwing that idea out there for a larf.

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 7 May 2004 17:23 (nineteen years ago) link

OTM re: Boreds of Canada / Black Dog dig esp. "Raxmus" formative Artifical Intelligence experience all Warp records aging poorly electronica failed etc.

― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Friday, 7 May 2004 19:57 (nineteen years ago) link

http://img26.photobucket.com/albums/v78/ourfirstkiss/hippicks.jpg

THE LATEST PITCHFORK WRITERS!!!

― GET TO THA' (PRICE) CHOPPA!!!!!!!! ROFFLE!!!!!!!! (ex machina), Friday, 7 May 2004 20:14 (nineteen years ago) link

I was going to write that review, but Ryan didn't like my "beatmatching is gay" lead off.

― dleone (dleone), Friday, 7 May 2004 20:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Chris, you spelled "Boards" wrong

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Friday, 7 May 2004 21:07 (nineteen years ago) link

So what do you guys think of the new Modest Mouse?!

― Nick Sylvester, Friday, 7 May 2004 21:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Haha, who decided to call Bobbie Gentry "alt-country"?

― C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Friday, 7 May 2004 21:54 (nineteen years ago) link

yes, that is regrettable (see also: the ex-assertion that is c. dodd was a 'dub pioneer') - I guess ya gotta ignore the facts and work to connect the old-timey stuff to contemporary things the indie kids like and understand in order to justify writing about them on the site. ;)

― scott pl. (scott pl.), Friday, 7 May 2004 22:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Haha, isn't that your news story?!

― C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Friday, 7 May 2004 22:19 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, the former headline said 'dub pioneer' and then the squeaky wheel got some grease.

― scott pl. (scott pl.), Friday, 7 May 2004 22:26 (nineteen years ago) link

situation downgraded from "stab" to "throw wadded-up paper"

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Friday, 7 May 2004 22:54 (nineteen years ago) link

That p-fork review quoted above is so obviously poking fun at BoC's status as being safe for indie kids. I love MHTRTC, and I think it's 10.0 is definitely deserved. I also hope that Geogaddi will eventually be regarded as highly -- I feel like it's been shortchanged in a way, although I know of a lot of people who like it a great deal. It just doesn't feel like there's as much of a consensus about it.

― Clarke B. (Clarke B.), Saturday, 8 May 2004 16:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Someone please rate the following:

www.marykateandashley.com/music/audio/pinata_party.mp3

Thanks in advance.

― scottontharox (scottkundla), Saturday, 8 May 2004 17:57 (nineteen years ago) link

due to their um storied past, pfork's never been entirely successful in coming across with their recent attempts to pinata ye olde rockist cliches via irony.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 8 May 2004 18:13 (nineteen years ago) link

My gateway from indie into dance music was Underworld. Does this mean I am a latent homosexual?

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Saturday, 8 May 2004 18:58 (nineteen years ago) link

well let me ask you this: what are your feelings on the microphones?

― Nick Sylvester, Saturday, 8 May 2004 19:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Microphones the band or microphones the phallic object?

― scottontharox (scottkundla), Saturday, 8 May 2004 19:32 (nineteen years ago) link

interesting first response their herr doktor

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 8 May 2004 19:33 (nineteen years ago) link

sylvester in a they're the same thing shockah

― Nick Sylvester, Saturday, 8 May 2004 19:34 (nineteen years ago) link

I honestly had no idea that article was supposed to be ironic. I took the "gay" thing at face value. I guess that's pitchfork's cross to bear.

― Broheems (diamond), Saturday, 8 May 2004 19:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Irony + print = danger. Irony + Americans = cliché. Irony + Pitchfork = dangerous cliché.

― Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Saturday, 8 May 2004 20:02 (nineteen years ago) link

more british wit!

― Nick Sylvester, Saturday, 8 May 2004 20:24 (nineteen years ago) link

southall, when you rock out to the coral, do you read old issues of punch?

― Nick Sylvester, Saturday, 8 May 2004 20:27 (nineteen years ago) link

haha

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 8 May 2004 21:28 (nineteen years ago) link

(i'm ashamed to "get" that.)

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 8 May 2004 21:28 (nineteen years ago) link

The utterly bizarre thing is that yesterday I was reading an old issue of Punch. Which doesn't happen everyday.

― Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Saturday, 8 May 2004 22:03 (nineteen years ago) link

I think it was 200 years old. We've got quite a collection at the university library.

― Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Saturday, 8 May 2004 22:03 (nineteen years ago) link

126 years old.

― Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Saturday, 8 May 2004 22:10 (nineteen years ago) link

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