Rolling Teenpop 2006 Thread

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(btw, Lohan doesn't fade the song like CT do on the record; rather, she uses the same wind-up ending they use live. So she has, like, cred.)

I had to review both a Duff film (sheer horror, and Christian too) and Herbie. They sent writers to a test screenings. Median age: 10.

My GF's niece is 14. She likes new goth stuff. And that's all I know of (literal) kids today and their listening habits.

Ian in Brooklyn, Saturday, 7 January 2006 07:19 (eighteen years ago) link

I wd love to hear that Jessica Simpson remix Frank is talking about - "I Think I'm In Love With You" was a massive song for me when it came out, I;d never heard Jack And Diane which probably helped.

Tom (Groke), Saturday, 7 January 2006 13:12 (eighteen years ago) link

my nearly ten yr old son like a lot of this stuff. my bonafide teenage nieces and nephews wouldn't be caught dead listening to "teenpop" they like GrnDay/Sum41/Charlotte punk and/or Velvet Revolver-style vintage hardrock. It should really be called preteen pop or in Freudian terms a sountrack for the latency years. (Perhaps I should write something about this?) Anyway, just for the record.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Saturday, 7 January 2006 13:20 (eighteen years ago) link

For the record, I like both the Bowling For Soup song Anthony likes and the Bloodhound Gang song Anthony likes okay -- probably both more than anything by Blink 182, who I'm guessing he might like more, though I might be wrong. Bloodhound Gang are kind of interesting in that they have no qualms about using synths as catchy and bubblegum as the ones Depeche Mode used in "Just Can't Get Enough"; i.e., catchier ones than Depeche Mode ever used since. "Bad Touch"'s electropop hooks could almost pass for Italo-disco.

I like the *idea* of Evanescence, enjoyed seeing them at Webster Hall in '04 or so, but I will probably never get over them sounding to me like a thinner, clunkier, less beautiful, and therefore compromised version of my fave Dutch new age goth-metallers The Gathering. (For thin, clunky, less beautiful, and therefore compromised versions of The Gathering, I prefer Lacuna Coil. Or Lana Lane. Or Lullacry. The last couple of whom kind of suck, so I am obviously a sucker for the sound somewhat. Wish I liked the Top 40 version more.)

xhuxk, Saturday, 7 January 2006 16:21 (eighteen years ago) link

(Or, oh yeah, Nightwish, who are like the Evanescence of Europe apparently, or even bigger -- I think their album and singles went #1 all over that continent last year.)

xhuxk, Saturday, 7 January 2006 16:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Question re Kelly O's "One Word" to those who have it on cd: is there any reference to the obvious "Fade to Grey" ripoff in the credits, or is it different enough to sneak past any copyright issues?

The Vintner's Lipogram (OleM), Saturday, 7 January 2006 16:34 (eighteen years ago) link

For the record, I like both the Bowling For Soup song Anthony likes and the Bloodhound Gang song Anthony likes okay -- probably both more than anything by Blink 182, who I'm guessing he might like more, though I might be wrong.

I don't think there are any Blink-182 songs I like more than "1985" or "Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo" except maybe "Dammit" and "Always," but if so its by a small degree.

Zwan (miccio), Saturday, 7 January 2006 18:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Smashmouth were a dumbed down Rocket from the Crypt.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 7 January 2006 18:46 (eighteen years ago) link

They were mentioned upthread but James ex-Busted Bourne's new band Son Of Dork sound better than McFly to me, with a bit more of the hint of rawkusness that Busted had (just a hint mind). Their "Ticket Outta Loserville" is worthy of Busted's second album.

Also Bonnie Pink, who i got from Edward's blog I think and I seem to remember is Japanese. Perhaps others can provide more info but I'm liking her at the moment.

Nick H (Nick H), Saturday, 7 January 2006 21:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Was "On A Rope" a hit in the US? It got to #12 over here, and RFTC are subsqeuently regarded as some sort of Andreas Johnson/New Radicals style one hit wonder.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 7 January 2006 21:06 (eighteen years ago) link

RFTC hasn't had anything close to a hit in the US. I love RFTC but I have no idea how Smashmouth could be considered 'dumbed down' in comparison. Unless its because their singer enunciates.

Zwan (miccio), Saturday, 7 January 2006 21:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Son of Dork are probably more interesting in theory than they are in reality, because they're like Simple Plan on uppers really, but it's weird to hear how different they are to Fightstar, who couldn't qualify as teen-pop under any definition of the term, at the first single level there really wasn't that marked a difference between, say, Gary Barlow RObbie Williams and Mark Owen, was there?

I want to like our new power-pop overlords in the UK, but the majority of them are in hock to complete shit (Son of Dork and Simple Plan, Rooster and Aerosmith, Freefaller and whatever the fuck it is they're listening to in order to sound that bad). I was hoping that The Faders would have songs as good as "No Sleep Tonight" in their repoirtoire, but it looks like we're never going to hear them now considering how little that and "Jump" sold. Love Bites aren't gonna happen either.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 7 January 2006 21:11 (eighteen years ago) link

A dumbed down aesthetic, anthony.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 7 January 2006 21:52 (eighteen years ago) link

The cartoonification of something that was already kind of cartoony. (Oh, the humanity.)

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 7 January 2006 21:55 (eighteen years ago) link

the real question here
is which thread will be larger,
this one or country

Haikunym (Haikunym), Saturday, 7 January 2006 23:44 (eighteen years ago) link

By number of posts: This one
By column inches: That one

xhuxk, Sunday, 8 January 2006 00:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Country less taciturn than teenpop?

vs.

Country less snappy than teenpop?

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 8 January 2006 03:10 (eighteen years ago) link

One Word

Writer: Linda Perry, Stuck in the Throat/Famous Music Corp. (ASCAP)
Produced and Engineered by: Linda Perry at Royaltone, North Hollywood, CA
Assisted by: Chris Wonzer and Andrew Chavez
Pro Tools Engineer: David Guerrero
All Instruments and Programming: Linda Perry
French Spoken Female Voice: Alephonsine de Chambure
Mixed by: Bernd Burgdorff for Empire7
Assisted by: Shawn Parker

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 8 January 2006 03:17 (eighteen years ago) link

On the launch.yahoo.com pop video chart, Aqua's "Barbie Girl" is Number 20, sandwiched between "Since U Been Gone" and "Boyfriend." This I can't make much sense of, though I like the song fine. What's it doing so high NOW? Is it on a new Disney soundtrack or something? (I still way prefer "Lollipop (Candyman).")

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 8 January 2006 06:43 (eighteen years ago) link

I am so glad this thread exists.

jaymc (jaymc), Sunday, 8 January 2006 07:50 (eighteen years ago) link

I think "Barbie Girl" is just a perennial video people must like to look at for some reason I'd rather not fathom. Linkin Park's "In The End" is always at the end of Yahoo's Top 100. It's probably a Dark Side Of The Moon thing.

Zwan (miccio), Sunday, 8 January 2006 08:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, I can fathom it. Might have something to do with it being one of the funniest music videos ever made. I've got it on a VHS tape, and I definitely looked at perenially for years, usually when people were over who I wanted to show it to. But now it's in storage, along with all my other VHS tapes, for instance the Tox Box and Dr. Bombay and Los Fabulosos Cadillacs ones I also liked to look at perenially for reasons others might not fathom.

xhuxk, Sunday, 8 January 2006 16:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Talking of Aqua is there any news on anything new from Lene Nystrom? It's been a couple of years since her solo album and I still really like it.

Agreed "Jump" was nowhere near "No Sleep Tonight" in quality terms.

Nick H (Nick H), Sunday, 8 January 2006 17:02 (eighteen years ago) link

I think a while ago Launch had a "Look at these crappy videos! Which is the most hilariously crappy?" competition, something along those lines. Barbie Girl won and hasn't left the top 100 since.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Sunday, 8 January 2006 17:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Except it's not hilarously crappy at all. It's hilariously great. It is what all videos should aspire to. Or lots of them, anyway,

xhuxk, Sunday, 8 January 2006 18:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, I know. Rene's growing irritation during the "Come on Barbie, Let's go party!" bit really is rather magnificent.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Sunday, 8 January 2006 21:09 (eighteen years ago) link

I know xhuxk has already chimed in on this, but any other thoughts on the veronicas. i really *listened* to "4ever" yesterday and it really is pretty f***ing transcendent. I put it on a mix with some Go4 Return the Gift tracks, and I spent the first five seconds trying to figure out which riff was. And then the vocals play out pretty much every possible variation in the melody line over the course of the song, what seems like every rock-pop vocal hook ever. I totally buy it everything they say, and when they're saying "come with me tonight we can make the night last forever," well, that's an impressive cliche to pull off.

What about the rest of the album? (Proving tough to find on s1sk this morning.)

Mitya (mitya), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 15:33 (eighteen years ago) link

I've been seeing many copies of Morningwood at semi-discount in BestBuy and Tower. For an act that has a young girl as frontperson, this has to be of the most humiliating names, ever. Backing her up, guys who look like Simple Plan caught in mid-leap in front of colorful and sparkly amplifiers. Title of first song on LP: "Nu Rock." Stickers makes claim Morningwood is big on MTV. I would have been more impressed if there had been a title: "Broke my johnson on the bathroom door."

Anyway, xhuxk, get 'em to send me a copy! What's this sound like?!

George the Animal Steele, Sunday, 15 January 2006 21:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Mitya, the Veronicas album's pretty damn good, except for an ill-advised cover of Tracy Bonham's "Mother Mother" at the end of it. If you liked "4 ever" and are generally down with Avril, Ashlee etc you'll love it to bits.

edward o (edwardo), Sunday, 15 January 2006 21:25 (eighteen years ago) link

I saw Morningwood open for Gang Of Four. One of the most horrifying live music experiences of my life. I hate when singers demand crowd enthusiasm when they haven't earned it and the audience clearly would like them to get their damn set over with. This woman (who didn't look that young at all, I assumed they were all Meredith Brooks/sessions vet types) was going insane, screaming at individuals to take their clothes off and made me hide in the corner out of embarassment. I think she may genuinely have mental problems. Nothing on the album is as zippy as the single, which at least is exuberantly corny.

Zwan (miccio), Sunday, 15 January 2006 21:55 (eighteen years ago) link

This is maybe the wrong thing to say at this point, but Morningwood seems to have at least some roots in the NYC indie community, by which I guess I mean that Bryan from Man in Grey seems to know them pretty well. I would say more but "Feeling on Your Booty (Rmx)" just came on.

Eppy (Eppy), Sunday, 15 January 2006 21:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Isn't one an ex-Wallflower?

Zwan (miccio), Sunday, 15 January 2006 22:00 (eighteen years ago) link

just checked elsewhere and another guy in the band is ex-spacehog too.

Zwan (miccio), Sunday, 15 January 2006 22:01 (eighteen years ago) link

In case he's lurking, I just want to publicly shun Keith Harris for claiming the song "Take Off Your Clothes" 'regularly instigates audience strip-alongs' in his SPIN review. He was at the Go4 show and he KNOWS that shit ain't true.

Zwan (miccio), Sunday, 15 January 2006 22:09 (eighteen years ago) link

I think it did actually happen at their non-opening-slot shows, though.

Anyway, are we actually saying they're teenpop? They seem more like a 90s nostalgia act to me. (Although a nice one.)

Eppy (Eppy), Sunday, 15 January 2006 22:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Did you read the same promo sheet or something? I refuse to believe that song could inspire actual insanity.

Zwan (miccio), Sunday, 15 January 2006 22:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, by "inspired audience stripping" read "the singer brought an audience member on state and took some of their clothes off."

Eppy (Eppy), Sunday, 15 January 2006 22:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Er, "stage."

Eppy (Eppy), Sunday, 15 January 2006 22:12 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah at the Go4 show she pulled two people from backstage and screamed 'STRIP! STRIP! STRIP!' at them, eventually getting a goddamn jacket off one but there's a long fucking road between that 'inspired audience stripping.'

Zwan (miccio), Sunday, 15 January 2006 22:13 (eighteen years ago) link

its like saying Pete Yorn has 'buzz'

Zwan (miccio), Sunday, 15 January 2006 22:14 (eighteen years ago) link

They were probably afraid Go4 would make look at them dismissively.

Eppy (Eppy), Sunday, 15 January 2006 22:15 (eighteen years ago) link

haha dude Jon King was dancing like a goddamn Space Invader and thrusting his hips while wearing in a jacket with no shirt underneath. And people were dancing. I think they would have been happy if Morningwood actually inspired anything other than boredom and horror.

Zwan (miccio), Sunday, 15 January 2006 22:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Actually, I couldn't find this at the Voice, although their press kit reprints it. They were in anecdotal mention viz. Siren and a Howard Stern radio show but that don't count.

"Morningwood are an energetic and impressive bunch that have certainly speant lots of time with their Buffalo Daughter, Le Tigre and Breeders records, but not so much as to let in infringe on their own innovative sound and style."
Village Voice

But the Morningwood album also includes more than a few songs that are unnecessarily, even perversely, awful. The next record executive to complain about slumping CD sales should be forced to spend the day playing "Babysitter" on repeat, listening to Ms. Claret moan, "Your mama, mama, mama shouldn't let me baby-sit." At the Bowery Ballroom, she worked overtime to entertain: she brandished a baton; she climbed up to the balcony; during "Take Off Your Clothes," she invited a suspiciously well-prepared woman from the audience to strip onstage. When Ms. Claret sang she often rolled her eyes, and she wasn't the only one.

-- The New York Times, yestiddy

This energetic combination of glam, garage, and new wave has been cooked up by something approximating an all-star lineup of musicians. Morningwood bassist Pedro Yanowitz used to rock it with (Jake) Dylan in the Wallflowers, and guitarist Richard Steel was in Spacehog. The ringmistress of this motley crew is singer/frontwoman Chantal Claret, who has a sexy voice that can go from raspy and husky to over-the-top cooing, and an alluring look, if the album's cover is to be believed. All the assembled players seem to be giving it their all on every track here, and their unbridled enthusiasm is contagious.

What's more impressive, however, is the way Morningwood trips from style to style over the course of the eleven assembled tracks. "Nu Rock" kicks things off with a totally thrashing garage rock sound that wouldn't have sounded out of place coming out of Sweden a couple of years ago. Two tracks later, "To the Nth Degree" borders on disco, or at least dance-pop, ratcheting up the glam factor...um, to the nth degree, I guess. "Jetsetter," meanwhile, is reminiscent of Weezer's "Hash Pipe"-era stuff, and "Everybody Rules" has a jazzy swing that makes me, honestly, think of Gary Glitter.

-- ugo.com

New York Magazine called them "one of the hottest bands changing the New York soundscape," while the Village Voice and Entertainment Weekly offer similar praise.

-- Some college wrapper, seeing New York Mag praise something vaguely rock and roll would generally be a warning to steer clear, much like being recommended through, say, NPR. Maybe worse.

Morningwood, "Morningwood" (Capitol) You can't stop the unflinching rock 'n' roll of Morningwood. You can't even hope to contain it. It's bursting with sexual energy and so much testosterone that you have to hand it to singer Chantal Claret, who can rock out under the moniker Morningwood with the unbridled enthusiasm of Andrew W.K. and unhinged eroticism of Peaches

-- Denver Post

It's amusing that the reviews, including stuff I didn't excerpt from Lex-Nex are all over the place. Business-wise that tells me the label is spending a lot of money on promotion and artificial priming that's not even close to being recoupable.

In any case, that the NY Times basically hates Morningwood is like Rolling Stone "red book" rating. Quite possibly I'd like it.
Impossible to tell really from most of the press which is standard garishly-painted boilerplace.

xpost

And that album cover definitely screamed "teenpop."

George the Animal Steele, Sunday, 15 January 2006 22:18 (eighteen years ago) link

you might like it, George. They sound kind of like those new wave bands with names like Lucy & The Gerbils or Pamela & The Wingdings. If Pylon tried to be Scandal.

Zwan (miccio), Sunday, 15 January 2006 22:21 (eighteen years ago) link

has a jazzy swing that makes me, honestly, think of Gary Glitter.

He Phoned It In Yeah, Gary G. was the most jazzy of cats when it came to laying down the pitter-patterin' beat. But he's really really really the apotheosis of teenpop (with two meaning of "pop") now.

If Pylon tried to be Scandal.

This does not sound good. That would ruin Scandal. "Goodbye to You" to a G04 beat. Ouch, I'd hurt myself.

George the Animal Steele, Sunday, 15 January 2006 22:23 (eighteen years ago) link

The "4Ever" video is streamed at the Veronicas Website and also at launch.yahoo.com. My first reaction is that it's very likable: starts with Franz Ferdinand guitar-boing then in the verse the Veronicas sound bratpunk like Skye Sweetnam and the music goes up a menacing Transylvanian half-step; then the chorus comes in as if disregarding the verse, sounds like Max Martin producing a Kara DioGuardi track, though Web sources say that Martin wrote it. (I don't think DioGuardi has anything to do with the Veronicas.) It has the sheen of "Since U Been Gone"/"Behind These Hazel Eyes" but melodically it's "Fly"-ish. I find this disconcerting, actually, the way the chorus emblazons "teenpop" on our eardrums without delivering any kind of personality. But that doesn't mean it sounds impersonal or cold; it's high thrilling emotion, just not linked yet in my mind with any particular personality (unlike Ashlee or Lindsay, whose respective voices you can recognize within two seconds after they open their mouths). [Or the personality it's linked to is Max's and Kara's, not the Verries'.] This may change as I know the song better (but it doesn't have to change for me to like it). The alb's out in the U.S. on Valentine's Day, single probably started its push here in Nov. or Dec. but'll be eligible for my 2006 Pazz & Jop ballot.

Two facts I like: The performers in the group all look the same, and they co-wrote t.A.T.u.'s "All About Us" (maybe the sixth best song on Dangerous and Moving, which is not a problem with the song but rather due to the excellence of the t.A.T.u. album, which Stephen Thomas Erlewine at allmusic described in this way: "As Dangerous and Moving wears on — hell, by the second track — the icy digital sheen of the production starts to grate nearly as bad as the flat, bored vocals of the girls." (I like Erlewine a lot, actually, since his descriptions of why he hates something often give me insight into why I like it; not that I always disagree with his judgments.)

None of the other songs excerpted in the Veronicas' electronic press kit sounded nearly as good (on brief listen) as "4Ever," though there was one that was pleasingly similar to Kelly Clarkson's "Behind These Hazel Eyes."

I did enjoy the Verry sisses' electronic-press-kit clowning, especially Lisa-unless-it's-Jess saying that what she likes about a guy is when he's in bed.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 16 January 2006 00:34 (eighteen years ago) link

I couldn't find this [Morningwood blurb] at the Voice:

It was in a promo blurb for the Voice's Siren Music Festival 2005, so it's from promo copy, not from a piece of criticism. (This isn't to say that promo copy can't ever be right, or good analysis, for that matter.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 16 January 2006 00:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Rolling Teardrop 2005 Thread

reo, Monday, 16 January 2006 01:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Frank, which six songs on D&M are better than "All About Us"? I'm thinking the title track definitely - close to the best thing they've done (bleak, like a death march covered in Euro-torch style), maybe "Gomenasai" (though I've gone off that a bit since Flipsyde's awful "Happy Birthday" that samples it) and "Friend Or Foe" are more song-y and "Loves Me Not" has better punch, but five songs better? Sheesh, I love the record and I'm not agreeing with you here.

edward o (edwardo), Monday, 16 January 2006 01:39 (eighteen years ago) link

The outer space song is the best track on the new taTu album! It totally reminds me of all those Boney M songs about Exoduses 10 million light years away, which I hadn't given much thought to in the past couple years. It's beautiful.

Haven't gone back and read all the Morningwood posts, but I'm confused -- are they being marketed as a teen pop act now, and if so, why? Or are they just on this thread tangentially? They've been bumming around NYC for a couple years, basically Yeah Yeah Yeahs bandwagon jumpers near as I could tell (which is to say, less intereresting than either Scandal *or* Pylon); the one show I saw, while I was DJ-ing between sets at Southpaw in Brooklyn a couple years ago, was completely awful, and very much as Anthony described it, and I said so in a gig-preview blurb I wrote for the Voice's listings section next time they came around: Unrocking garage rock fronted by an embarrassing loud woman who kept trying to hammer into our heads that they were all about SEX and they must be making us REALLY HOT even though, at least to my eyes and ears, there was nothing remotely sexy about either she or their music. They had a vinyl EP out locally at the time with a big pink tit drawn on the cover, furthuring rubbing in their dumb essence before existence we're-sexy-because-we-say-so baloney. Still, they weren't the worst band in town, I guess. Some people seemed to like them okay. I'd say most of the listings blurbs they got in the Voice were neither love em or hate em. Never saw the one quoted above, but yeah, it sounds like an advertisey Siren Festival supplement preview done by the promotions department, not something from the listings section. If they are indeed starting to take off nationally in some even meager way, I gotta say I'm kinda surprised. Jeanne Fury's review of their album (which I haven''t heard) should run in the Voice in the next few weeks....but anyway, back to my original question: What's teenpop about them?

xhuxk, Monday, 16 January 2006 14:22 (eighteen years ago) link


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