Rolling Past Expiry Hard Rock 2010

Also should mention that Trigger's more Slade/Kiss type shout stuff does in fact have some hardy troglodyte glam stomp to it -- especially probably "Rockin' Cross The USA," which you could almost convince yourself came from Australia if it had different geography and if you squint your ears a bit, and "Gimme Your Love," which is not subtle. No complaint about their rhythm section, but their Aerosmith swings harder.

Also, it's probably misleading to keep talking about "boogie" in relation to that 1980 Travers LP; boogie's definitely one big element of it, but the overall sound is just a lot more modern and scientific than that implies. Not just 'cause of his synths -- his guitars, too. The record's just really listenable, not what I was expecting.

anybody here have any opinion about the Strawbs?

I have this 2-CD anthology which I like a lot, especially the early stuff. def more rural-prog than gtr-rocking IIRC. the stately track "Benedictus" got FM airplay in Cincinnati.

http://cover7.cduniverse.com/MuzeAudioArt/Large/02/574802.jpg

guessing than Pashmina knows way more about these guys.

Trigger:

http://dickdestiny.com/blog1/2009/06/11/the-thin-line-between-great-and-sub-mediocre/

What do you think of the one singer who sounds like Jackson Browne? (Ref. "Baby Don't Cry")

Yeah, re Pat Travers, Crash & Burn is one of the sellers because of "Snortin' Whiskey," but the ship was about to start sinking. First three albums are better, Makin' Magic is heavier. Start with "Statesboro Blues."

And you should hear his later covers work, the two PT Power Trio CDs and Bazooka. They all smoke. You'd like his version of "Green-Eyed Lady" which he just owns.

I liked a lot of Strawbs. They had Hudson-Ford in the band early and those guys wrote some glammy tunes, one which charted about being a union man or something. Very sing alone, the title escapes as does the album, which I have.

Grave New World's pretty good, too, which is a bit of a concept album sporting a cover most would recognize immediately. A bit bleak but still excellent.

xpAlso just confirmed, for maybe only the first or second time since I wrote the book, that Lord Tracy's weirdo bicoastal sleaze-metal Deaf Gods Of Babylon definitely earned its #308 rating in Stairway To Hell. At least. And most of what I say in the review in the book still rings true, though the Godz comparison might have been stretching things a bit. "Watchadoin'" still sounds like first-album Cheap Trick. Couple things I missed in that review: The other three best non-jokey tracks are probably "Rats Motel" (catchier Crue than most Crue as far as I'm concerned), "Submission" (sounds like a heavier version of the Fools and mentions bisexuals, transexuals, and asexuals), and "King Of The Nighttime Cowboys" (metal rockabilly) if that one counts as a non-joke. Best joke track is "Pirahana," sort of an OTT metal version of Descendents-type hardcore, "about a fish." Fake African ooga-booga jungle chants behind the frat-party rap "3 H.C." are probably not politically correct (though I kind of like that I compared it to the Coasters in the book). And the guitarist ("Jimmy 'R' Russidoff," apparently) steals some tasty Eddie Van Halen moves here and there. In the book I say something about them wearing "striped turbans," but there's no photo anywhere on the album cover, so I'm not sure where I got that from. (Maybe a press photo, though the Stairway review also refers to the record as a "CD," and the copy I have now is on vinyl, so maybe it was in a booklet.) They didn't chart, and Popoff only gives them 5 out of 10 in his metal book, though he likes "Rats Motel" and "Pirahna" (which he also calls "joke OTT"). He underrates it, though. Wiki says they had a couple more albums, but not until starting 15 years later. Last one, '08, was called Porn Again, whatever. And they sem to be based in Texas; uh, maybe that was always the case? The singer, Terry Glaze, used to be in Pantera (an early version, I gather), according to Wiki, so maybe so. Their myspace:

http://www.myspace.com/lordtracy

Also just noticed that Popoff gives all of these Aerosmith albums better scores than the 8 he gives Done With Mirrors: Pump, Livin' On The Edge, Get A Grip and Nine Lives (all 9's and 10's). And Rock In A Hard Place and Permanent Vacation both get 8's, too. He also swears a bunch of their post-comeback tracks sound like '70s Aerosmith, even Rocks, which is not what I remember at all; I remember really antiseptic production that took all the oomph out of the would-be rockers, for one thing. But then again, I haven't owned any of those albums for ages, so it's not like I've played any of them for a while. The ones after Pump, I thought at the time, were way too long (high CD era lengths) and a chore to sort through. But I'm pretty sure George has repped for Honkin' On Bobo. So I could be wrong. If Aerosmith really do have assorted post-mid-'80s tracks worthy of their '70s selves, it would benefit mankind if somebody put all the good ones together on a CD-R someday.

Lord Tracy LP was 1989, btw (on MCA imprint Uni); so their later ones didn't come until 2004 (starting with a late-'80s-taped live album).

And yeah, I hadn't even noticed that the Trigger vocals were from two different people; duh, that totally makes sense. As does George's Jackson Browne comparison. (Had forgotten George blogged about them.)

I think I may have goofed on Honkin' On Bobo because of the cheap Chinese harmonica that came with it.

I mention it in the link below and no longer have the album or the harmonica, although I do still have
harmomicas. I remember it having one song on it I liked, "You Got to Move."

And that's about it. Everything else is a blank, so it couldn't have been really good.

http://www.dickdestiny.com/blog/2008/02/made-in-china-slave-labor-blues-harps.html

Foghat 2.0 -- they still call themselves just Foghat -- issued Last Train Home. It was a choice between it and Tom Petty's Mojo, coincidentally similar. Both bands wanted to do r&b/blues records and did. At least the Petty tune I've heard, which sounds like Chicago blues/Yardbirds/Brit blues boom love with Scott Thurston on harmonica. And another that sounds like Booker T. & the MG's redoing "Green Onions" with vocals.

Anyway, guess which I went with? Rhetorical, obviously.

Foghat 2.0's is essentially an old Savoy Brown record for the most part, which they ought to be able to do OK because the rhythm section is from SB. They perform "Needle & Spoon," a favorite of mine but Charlie Huhn, the old Nugent sideman, either isn't quite enough like Chris Youlden or dirty-sounding enough to be really good on it. However, "Louisiana Blues," a remake from SB's Blue Matter is great. It's a hard tune to ruin. They do a good version of "Rollin' and Tumblin" and "You Need Love" back to back without falling back on Zep steals. They've picked up a harmonica man for most of it, which makes an instro -- "495 Boogie" -- sound like early J. Geils with Magic Dick out front.

"Shake Your Money Maker" and "It Hurts Me Too" etc. I back-to-backed it with the Black Keys' first album, don't have the latest, and like it just as much.

I always thought old Savoy Brown comparisons with the Black Keys were apt, particularly for the albums Getting to the Point and the debut as the Savoy Brown -Blues- Band, just that the Black Keys couldn't maybe find a bass and keyboard player their age who'd want to do that stuff when they were starting out so they ... did the two man band thing. And stuck with it when it worked. They had the croaking vocal delivery down, anyway.

Foghat 2.0's not going to get any mileage but they'll enjoy playing it to the getting elderly on the circuit. Good album particularly if you want to hear the early-70's blues rock thing done by a couple guys who had a hand in inventing it.

"Louisiana Blues," a remake from SB's Blue Matter is great.

Fwiw, the Animals also did this number on that Animalism album I mentioned here yesterday, three years before Savoy Brown. Just saying.

I bet Lonesome Dave was a fan of the Animals. Anyway, they were all part of the Brit blues boom. Or at least the Animals are in my book on it. If you were white, a guy, and sang or played guitar, you were probably in on it if you lived in England. Unless you were Donovan.

xhuxk, you still have to secure a copy of Savoy Brown's Savage Return LP on one of your weekly vinyl scrounging
trips.

I reviewed that Foghat disc for AMG; didn't like it as much as you, though "495 Boogie" was very good. Pick up the new Petty when you get a chance. It's a really, really good album, with only one awful clunker (a fake reggae track called "Don't Pull Me Over"). Skip that one and you've got a solid hour of medium-hard blues-rock and some decent ballads. Plus, it was all recorded live in a room and sounds it. I think it's gonna wind up on my year-end list.

Amusing trivia: Bryan Bassett, the guitarist who replaced Rod Price in Foghat when the latter died, was the guitarist for Wild Cherry when they had the hit, "Play That Funky Music."

There were some things that could've been left off the Foghat 2.0 record. The bonus cuts
with Eddie "Bluesman" Kirkland. And "Feels So Bad". Foghat 2.0 not convincing at 'feeling so bad' ala the old timers.

I actually walked into an antique store on Saturday, and "Play That Funky Music" was playing over the radio (not loud), and it took me half a minute to realize what it was; first, I was thinking "What is this great '70s boogie rock hit; I know it, but I can't place it." So suddenly now I'm curious about Wild Cherry's other music, which I've never heard -- if the words are to be believed, well, "once I was a boogie singer, playin' in a rock'n'roll band," etc, etc. And I remember somebody saying once that their other music was "nothing like the hit." And Donnie Iris was in the touring band, right? Apparently they had a few other chart singles after their #1, but none went Top 40. So were their albums basically rock albums, funk albums, disco albums, what?

They had an early Seventies record on a label called Brown Bag that was supposed to be straight hard rock. But I've never seen it. The various things written say they were a strictly
regional act that found themselves playing for crowds that wanted disco and dance, so ...

And then by '76, there was "Play That Funky Music..." On the last Foghat 2.0 live album, there's an extended radio show interview with them where Bassett talks about Wild Cherry and begins to
play the single with Roger Earl and Craig McGregor of the band playing rhythm. It's funny
because they do it perfectly.

Judging by the album art I used to see, all the albums you saw in stores were disco/dance/funk things. The stuff always reminded me of the Ohio Players. But maybe not.

REUNITED: Sire’s Seymour Stein and The Orchard’s Richard Gottehrer will revive the legendary U.K. blues label Blue Horizon, signing Austin-based psychedelic rockers The Black Angels as its first act. The Vector-managed band’s third album, Phosphene Dream, comes out Sept. 14 in the U.S. To hear the first track, "Bad Vibrations," click here. The Orchard will handle the marketing, worldwide digital and North American physical distribution for all label releases. Stein co-founded the U.K.-based Blue Horizon in 1966 as a label specializing in the blues, featuring bands like the original Fleetwood Mac, Otis Spann, Elmore James, Chickenshack (Christine McVie’s original group), and Champion Jack Dupree. The original label was distributed in the U.S. by CBS, and Sony Music still holds rights to the repertoire. Stein and Gottehrer were the original founders of Sire Records in 1966. (6/21p)

No Mike Vernon, no cred. No going back without Gruggy Woof, either.

So Pat Travers' Makin' Magic has indeed been kicking my ass this evening, fwiw. (Looks like that was his last '70s album not to chart; his next one Putting It Straight, later in 1977, got to #70, a respectable leap if he'd just say been building an audience live over the course of three albums. What instigated the breakthrough, I wonder?)

Played Savoy Brown's Looking In from '70, the one with the proto-metal horror cartoon cover with that giant skull, again before that. And yeah, I get that that's their last one before 75% of the band turned into Foghat. Really love Simmonds's guitar tone etc. throughout, and the rhythm section cranks, but I gotta say not a whole lot of songs really stick in my memory banks. I guess "Leavin' Again" on Side Two comes closest. Think I've had that problem with Savoy Brown before too, actually -- Raw Sienna, maybe? Pretty sure that one didn't make it into Stairway partly because I couldn't think of what to say.

Before Savoy I played Styx's Crystal Ball, from '76, their first one with Tommy Shaw and, I'm guessing, the first one where they really ran away from hard rock in favor of theatrical ballet foo-foo bullshit; at the same time, though, they haven't figured out yet how to write hits. The la la la's really make me sick. Guess the closest thing to a rocker is "Shooz" leading off Side Two, though looks like Popoff also mentions the Side One leadoff "Put Me On" as being similar to "Midnight Ride", the near-Nugent raver off the previous Equinox. I dunno; if so, it's repeatedly slipped by me. Probably give it one more chance.

Loudest songs guitarwise on Strawbs' Hero And Heroine from '74 turn out to be "Just Love," "Hero's Theme," and the title cut. There may well be a concept, but I'm not sure about what. Was way off in comparing them to Tull above; more Fairport Convention crossed with Genesis, maybe -- in the prog-folk cuts, at least? Though that may just be because the singer, Dave Cousins, sounds kind of like Peter Gabriel.

Playing Cain's Pound OF Flesh CD now, for old times' sake. Yowww.

Hardest rocking new track I've heard so far in 2010, I think, might be Flynnville Train's cover of "Sandman" by America, a song I never even liked before. A country band, allegedly, but country in the Kentucky Headhunters sense, and this cut's as loud as that band's "Big Boss Man," at least. Total guitar jam. Rest of the new album is growing on me, but I don't think anything else gets this heavy. (On Evolution Records, whatever that is -- their debut, which made my top 10 a couple years ago, was on Toby Keith's label Show Dog.) Here's their myspace:

http://www.myspace.com/flynnvilletrain

Also liking "Outrage" by Sister Sin, for all its "Teenage Rampage" (Sweet, Bo Donalson & the Heywoods) quotes if nothing else. So far, rest of their new album on Victory, The Sound Of The Underground, is doing nada for me -- the guy who sings backup behind the girl constantly clunks everything up, and I'm not convinced the rest of the band's much less awkward. But I need to listen more. They're trad metal people from Sweden, and their earlier "One Out Of Ten" made by Top 10 singles two years ago, so they must be doing something right. A link:

http://www.myspace.com/sisterssin

I love 'Looking In', all-time classic LP

If you were thinking about putting Raw Sienna into Stairway and couldn't because it didn't, I figure that was the right thing. It's more jazzy and bluesy. The two songs that jump out from it are "A Little More Wine," which was performed on some olf late night TV show, which is what hipped me to it when I was a kid. Youlden was wearing fake fur, a top hat, and puffing on a cigar to the opening beat.

Plus, there's "Needle & Spoon."

I would have pushed (in fact, I'm sure I did) A Step Further for Stairway. It has the side long live version one chord, one riff metal boogie with "Hernando's Hideaway" dropped into the middle, performed at the Agora, I think. Plus, David Lee Roth pinched a couple tunes from the first side for his solo album of a few years back. I reviewed it for you, called it "antic fun," I think.

What instigated the (Pat Travers) breakthrough, I wonder?

The tours for Heat in the Street and the live Go For What You Know which recycled "Boom Boom (Out Go the Lights)." The band had Tommy Aldridge on drums and the story goes they were based out of Miami and enjoying the high life, such as it was, and then Pat Thrall came to the studio suffering from vicious hangover and wrote the lyrics for "Smokin' Whiskey/Drinkin' Cocaine."

You might also like "Poor Girl," if you give it a second listen from Looking In.

Coincidentally, with "Leavin' Again," you have the two SB tunes that were immediately carried over into the Foghat catalog.

And the latest hilarious quote from Ted Nugent.

http://dickdestiny.com/blog1/2010/06/25/take-advice-from-the-ninny-nugent/

Times the Nuge called the Obama administration variations on the 'Mao Tse Tung fan club' in the media last week: Four.

Once for a slobbering interview by one of the New Times properties (you can tell how bankrupt and bad alties are when one of them actually sucks up to someone like Ted), once on Fox, and twice for two columns in the WaTimes.

So having gone back and checked, I can now say conclusively that I have no idea what Popoff was hearing when he put Styx's "Put It On" in the same category as "Midnight Ride." There's a (very) intermittent rock riff in there, but it's surrounded and buried in mush. Actually, occurs to me that one Midwestern precedent for Styx's abandonment of hard rock for thespian kitsch might be Alice Cooper, a few years before. Except Styx obviously weren't as good in the first place. Thing is, I still have at least a grudging respect for their '77-'81 The Grand Illusion to Paradise Theater period -- I still have all four of those LPs on vinyl, and though I don't put them on real often (and, the more I get into the band's earlier stuff, expect I'll put them on even less), I also don't anticipate getting rid of them any time real soon, since they all have a couple-to-few real hard-to-deny MOR/AOR radio cuts. Big problem with Crystal Ball is that it doesn't. (I've never heard "Mademoiselle," which hit #36 pop, on the air. Do think the LP ends on an okay guitar solo, though -- called, yuck, "Ballerina.")

Turns out the other 9-or-10 out of 10 track on Flynnville Train's Redemption, besides their America cover, is "Friend Of Sinners," about asking Christ's forgiveness since you've fucked up all the commandments. Might sound cheesy on paper, but a big part of what makes those two cuts rock the hardest is their use of space and quiet to let the rhythm and lead guitars build over the monster drums. They're also the two darkest and most menacing (and maybe the longest -- haven't checked) cuts on the CD. Rest of the album comes as close to Skynyrd as any contemporary country I've heard, with subliminal rockabilly and Chuck Berry parts and really good songwriting; "Preachin' To The Choir" and "On Our Way" (which says the band got their start back in '83 -- not sure if that's to be taken literally or not) being two of the higher highlights. "Turn Left" is the NASCAR song; "Scratch Me When I'm Itchin'" the horndog song; "Alright" the one that sounds like Dave Edmunds in Rockpile; "The One You Love" the token ladies' choice, and at first I thought they mushed out, but its guitars are really purty.

Sister Sin, on the other hand, can't really write tunes. Fast metal, theoretically NWOBHM-like or at least pre-thrash speedy (think their label likens them to Crue, Scorps, Priest, despite the girl singer), but the songs all sound the same, and the clumsy gang grunting dude makes them feel almost nu-metal, probably by accident. Still like the novelty of a 2010 metal song ripping "Teenage Rampage," but I wouldn't say that even that one, "Outrage," has much else to recommend it.

Tried listening to the new Gaslight Anthem album in the car (where it should work if it's gonna work anywhere, given this is working class Jersey road rock supposedly), and I'm not hearing them at all -- dull regular-guy singing, nothing rhythm, boring college-rock guitars. Occasionally a melody sounds slighly more rousing than the others, but if there are words there, the singer's not putting them over. More emo than Bruce, to my ears -- much less a rocking blue collar bar band like say early Iron City Houserockers. And they don't have even the wit of Hold Steady (whose newest album was their worst by far, fwiw) or the brawn of Dropkick Murphys to fall back on -- and I've cut both of those bands more slack than they've deserved over the years, to be honest.

Thinking that, of those four huge Styx albums, I'd probably rate Pieces Of Eight highest, for "Renegade" and "Blue Collar Man." By Paradise Theater, they've probably actually let dumb concept crap get the best of them, though I've always liked the Devoluted new waviness of "Too Much Time On My Hands." Draw the line at Kilroy Was Here, though I'd probably keep a 45 of "Mr. Roboto" if I had one. (Actually really love Tommy Shaw's 1984 synth-pop single "Girls With Guns" -- so sue me.) And I guess if a best-of fell in my lap that put all the catchy hits from these LPs in one place, I would get rid of them, to open up a little more space on my LP shelf, if nothing else.

And eh...forget I mentioned Skynyrd in re: Flynnville Train. Dumb comparison. Skynyrd had more than rockabilly and Chuck Berry going for them anyway -- for one thing, they were a lot funkier. And Flynnville seem much more inclined to be pandering (sometimes in the usual modern Nashville ways) as songwriters, and also (unlike Skynyrd) they're not geniuses. Guess I just mean that, like with the best Headhunters stuff, you can really tell you're hearing a seasoned, self-contained band, who know how to work and rock as a unit. Which, with Nashville still using session musicians no matter how loud it gets, remains a rarity. The guitars do sometimes sound kind of Skynyrdy, though.

...and they still do have a more swinging rhythm section than say Drive By Truckers (or Neil Young, for that matter -- can't think of when he's rocked as hard as Flynnville's "Sandman," which is neat since I've always figured America as the wimp version of Neil in the first place. Still have no idea what the lyrics are supposed to be about, though.)

You may not believe this but I saw more than one high school band turn "Sandman" into a fuzztone
proto-metal dirge around '70-'72. It was basically a simple dirge all along, so you could hammer the shit out of it. Which may or may not be what Flynnville does but thought I'd mention it. There was precedent.

The New York Times thing on Gaslight was more than enough to turn off all my curiosity last week.

If someone in the arts section likes it ... then it has no real business here. I stupidly bought the previous record last year, left a thumbs down on one of these threads. The lyrics were beyond terrible, much more so because they're so achingly sincere about it, they seem to really believe their own horseshit.

Worse is the Jersey Springsteen/Beaver Brown blue collar bar band shtick, except with nary a rock 'n' roll or Chuck Berry lick in any of the guitar players, just the ringing college rock thing. Which is similar to claiming you're in a Stones cover band but not one of the guitarists can pull off Keith Richards. The idea is that they've somehow squeezed all the roots and swing -- except the lyrics and image -- out of bar band rock. Perfect for NPR.

a fuzztone proto-metal dirge around '70-'72. It was basically a simple dirge all along, so you could hammer the shit out of it. Which may or may not be what Flynnville does

It's pretty close! Dirge into raveup, maybe. Wonder if any amateur versions like that from 40 years were actually recorded; if not, it's crazy that it took so long.

Playing Dirty Looks' 1989 Turn Of The Screw now -- Philly/L.A. big hair band, on Atlantic. Came in a giant box of discards from Metal Mike last week. Singing has the high squeal of Kix's Steve Whiteman, and like Kix they definitely seem to like AC/DC, song structure wise; funniest song title is "C'Mon Frenchie." But so far I'm thinking the production has ironed out all the meat from the riffs and memorable hooks from the songs. Maybe it'll just take them a couple listens to sink in. Don't think I've ever actually played a Dirty Looks LP before -- though I tend to confuse them would Dirty Tricks, so I could be wrong.

"Nobody Rides for Free" has a lot of swing, 'bout the best of 'em. That and "Oh Ruby" from the previous album. They were frequently an undercard band in LV.

Which is to say I could never remember much about their sets except they were competent, tight and like AC/DC.

was really enjoying Styx 2 the other day. had never played it before! just a really enjoyable album.

I'm always pleasantly surprised whenever I put on the Wooden Nickel retrospective from a few
years ago.

This week's rock critic-administered whoopie cushion: the new CD by Alejandro Escovedo. I stupidly bought 2008's. NOw more promises: Escovedo's even harder and louder than before! According the LA Times, by way of tribune's Greg Kot.

Sort of like last week's offering in which Tuscaloosa Ann Powers, the Los Angeles Times pop rock writer in Alabama, compared Miley Cyrus to the Runaways, at a House of Blues concert to which she
took her 8-year old.

this is probably a stupid question, but did The Alarm ever rock? somehow i ended up with a ton of albums and singles here at the store by this band and i don't know if i can even bring myself to play them. the poor man's U2. i actually bought their first album when it came out cuz i liked the one song they used to play on college radio, "the stand". which was based on my favorite stephen king book. anthrax would best them later with their stand song. i think i played that first album once. and i was even a hunters & collectors and easterhouse fan. yeah, i don't think i can do it. never mind.

Apologies if already posted, but I assume some of you no longer follow the rolling metal thread and this may interest you?

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I think sometimes our slab of daily Riff Rock doesnt have to be necessarily gloomy, dark, swampy or depressing. Sometimes all it needs is to bbe rockin' and, why not, even funny.

Biggus Diccus are funny. But, beware, they're far from being a simple joke band. Their music is finely sculpted: pure muscular Riff Rock. Heavy, sweaty, catchy, fuzzy and booty shakin'.The riffs are the right measure of fat and badass and the vocals are delicously Chris Goss oriented, with a lot of crooning swagger. Their hooks get in your head and you'll find yourself singing them mindlessly in a few minutes.

And that's where the problem, or the funniest part, comes in. Because you'll find yourself singing out loud refrains that talk about unstoppable erections, devinat S/M nymphomaniacs, obese lovers, lesbian gangrapes and everything your filthy head can thiunk of. The opener "Flagpole of Love" is an irresistible jewel of almost QOTSA-esque catchiness wrapped around some of the most obscene and explicit lyroics since Turbonegro. And they get worse.

So if you like your rawk rollin and thunderin' but you dont mind some (very) filthy and (very) sexual humour to it, give it a try. NOT FOR THE KIDDIES!!!

Get their album on Bandcamp (for free): http://biggusdiccus.bandcamp.com/

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It might. Thanks for posting, pfunk!

I think it should be mentioned Bill Aucoin died this week.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/02/arts/music/02aucoin.html

Without him, no Kiss. And up until and including Destroyer, they fit this thread in spades. The first album is still a play for me, plus some of the third.

Course, then he took them into lunchboxes, dolls, bad comic books, handpuppets and a really bad TV movie and so on.

"My favorite is Kitty Kat," said my cousin when he was about 8 or 9, at some point, which was all Bill Aucoin's doing. Of course, you have it made in spades when some sissy kid who doesn't even know what a blow job is yet says a bandmember named Kitty Kat -- Peter Criss -- is his idol. No more "Cold Gin".

Aucoin also managed Starz and Piper, neither of which scored for the management team. But Billy Squier would a few years later. And he was seemingly the perfect fit for Billy Idol.

Aucoin was certainly contributed a significant piece to hard rock, the kind that wound up very popular.

These days it's tough to give Kiss CDs away, I would imagine.

i still sell kiss records though. and my five year old son is obsessed with them. they are kinda timeless by now. band as superheroes. they are a brand. but so is spiderman and iron man. and they will live forever too. don't know what happens when gene and paul die, but by then there will probably be expert kiss robots to go on tour with.

i tell ya, i have heard more kiss in the last year then i ever have in my previous 40 something years.

And here's some side inside information in a thread on Casablanca over at the Starz board.

http://starzfanzcentral.yuku.com/topic/3436

I'd forgotten Toby Beau was also an Aucoin group. Saw them once at my undergrad school. Not half bad southern pop rock with a pitch to little girls that almost worked.

I kinda wish Kiss had been popular in the UK so we could've had the joy of kiss lunchboxes and action figures. But they really werent big at all. Crazy Nights was their only big hit here until bill & ted.
I guess we had Queen as the nations rock band instead?

Iron Man destroys Kiss. Even the crappy Iron Man. I loved my Marvel Comics way more than I ever liked Kiss.

http://www.dickdestiny.com/blog/2009/01/shamed-by-your-english-40-years-of-x.html

Re Queem, I mean Queen. Yes, I think you're OTM. Queen were also big here and, in the end, they've had a bigger audience -- for the rock, anyway -- than Kiss.

I remember deviling my girlfriend on a trip to the Outer Banks with the album that Kiss put out to coincide with the Bill & Ted movie. I'd gotten it as a review copy and it had a ridiculous
lyric that went something like:

shake your panties in the air, lick your lips and wave your hair

She was ready to kill me the second time I played it.

i like queen way more than kiss. well, i guess i like most things better than kiss. but since cyrus has shown such an interest i have found myself enjoying the odd tune or two. and like you said, the earlier the better. if you don't get the kiss bug between the ages of infancy to 14 than you are probably never gonna get the kiss bug. i was still in love with the beatles when my brother was at the height of his kiss fandom. my brother's holy trinity was ted nugent/aerosmith/kiss. later, van halen would kick kiss out onto the street in my brother's world.

Were Queen big in the US? I always thought they had 1 or 2 big hits while in the UK everyone of any age loved them at some point in their life.

queen were huge here. queen are still huge here.

queen cracked the code. they got millions of teenage boys to buy their albums AND millions of teenage girls. if you can do that, the world is your oyster.

Hah-ham, pfunk, "Flagpole of Love." You may not believe this but it sounds almost exactly
like the old Christ Child LP we used to talk about infrequently on here. That's a good thing.

xhuxk, you'll laugh at that one.

It also has that Macc Lads, actually more Pork Dukes, filth punk flavor.

Ok i'll give this album a go then.

Here's one for chuck because he went through a bunch of bad disco albums and such.

Sean Delaney, who was a big part of Aucoin management, and Aucoin's boyfriend, sez here on Wiki:

"After releasing the solo album, Delaney formed a band in 1979 called Skatt Bros."

Which I seem to recall being a joke and very gay name just about what you think. Did you
ever hear or have Skatt Bros. album?

Not only have I heard it and owned it, George, I own it now, and have at times counted it as one my favorite albums in my collection. Maybe still do. No joke. Last time I played it was, oh, maybe three weeks ago.
I like it so much that, a couple months ago, I almost bought a second copy that I saw for a buck; probably should have -- whichever copy was less clean would've made a wonderful gift idea. Anyway, the album is Strange Spirits, Casablanca 1979; Richie Fontana (from Piper) on drums; rest of the lineup, besides Delaney (on keybs) goes Pieter Sweval bass, Richard Martin-Ross guitar, David Andez lead guitar, Craig Krampf also drums (plus five "auxilary musicians" -- not sure whether they ever existed as a live entity; the overlapping credits suggest not every cut was the same "band".) Probably either as "rock" a disco album or as "disco" a rock album as ever existed. And yeah, gay gay gay -- like, Leather Nun Accept Turbonegro leather bar gay (think they were marketed as the "metal" Village People or something), as the back cover below indicates even more than the front cover. Best song, "Walk The Night," an Andez/Fontana writing credit, sounds basically how Wax Trax leatherman fascist industrial fetish metal disco (KMFDM or whoever) should have sounded, almost a decade early -- Michael Freedberg, who I first heard of them from, suggested it for the disco-metal appendix of Stairway's second edition, which is the only place they're listed I believe. Scariest/Most hilariously wtf hook: "I got a ROD beneath my coat/It's gonna RAM right down your throat/Hooo-ah!!!" Other two most awesome cuts (both credited to Delaney-Sweval) would be "Life At The Outpost" ("give your love to a cowboy man/He's gonna love ya hard as he can, can") and "Midnight Companion" (almost-county ballad, about disguising one's self as a trucker to meet bikers to spend the night with). Those three songs are unbelievably catchy, though they really don't sound much like each other, even if they all come from the same place. Again, I have no idea the extent to which the lyrics were serious, though supposedly "Walk The Night" became a fairly sizable leather-bar hit regardless. Anyway, those three cuts could carry the LP alone, as far as I'm concerned. Rest is fine, sometimes much better than fine, but what what kind of caught me by surprise last time I played it is how a few of the cuts really predated the kind of dance-metal AOR people like, say, Aldo Nova (assuming there was anybody else "like" Aldo Nova) were hitting with three years later.

And now I need to clearly track down Biggus Diccus.

Rough boys on the front cover:

http://www.richiefontana.com/images/SkattAlbum2.jpg

And back:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_IBigK-nP7zw/S0KZLxcGzOI/AAAAAAAAItk/ckM04QN_1Qk/s400/Skatt+Bros-+Strange+Spirits-Back.jpg