BEARDO DISCO (finally fixed for vahid) - not idjuts / lindstrom - harvey, rub'n'tug, map of africa

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Ha ha my big beef with early Chicken Lips albums was how purist they were! But yes their DJ sets are a different kettle of fish.

Don't make me link to my epic and lugubrious dissertation on p vs e on Dissensus!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 20 January 2006 04:50 (8 years ago) Permalink

danny t's "classics" nights at be yourself were a hoot.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 20 January 2006 05:03 (8 years ago) Permalink

I was speaking of their mixes- I've never seen them spin live (well, I did see Frankie Bones once). But I also haven't heard all of their releases. I had no idea Danny Tenaglia used that much range.

Anyone care to post some of his more ec***, er, diverse mix CDs?

Giles Manius (jsoulja), Friday, 20 January 2006 05:12 (8 years ago) Permalink

AND YOU THOUGHT ONLY DAN SELZER HAD GOOD TASTE

if he thought that, he was right.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 20 January 2006 05:12 (8 years ago) Permalink

Old timer here whose first "house club" experiences were going to Zanzibar ( or "Zanzibar's" as the kids called it) in Newark, NJ beginning in early '88. I can remember the sets being very Chicago/Detroit with the occasional disco nugget thrown in as the evening progressed. Not a lot of (if any) rock. I don't recall hearing sets that mixed house/techno with lots of other genres and I think that was probably due to the new stuff appearing at the time being so fresh and amazing that the dj's were just focusing on that. I must have missed it when the sets were more in the Paradise Garage vein.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Friday, 20 January 2006 06:02 (8 years ago) Permalink

I doubt most of the people on this thread went to Zanzibar, but you know anyone can pick up a club culture history book and talk they did.....

Giles Manius (jsoulja), Friday, 20 January 2006 06:38 (8 years ago) Permalink

i don't mean to paint tony humphries w/ the same brush as dj harvey but here's a great quote from the liner notes of a tony humphries comp i have:

"[tony humphries] also wasn't averse to kooky and playful selections at certain points in the evening. 'he would play peter brown's "do you wanna get funky w/ me' and brass construction's "we can do it",' recalls [new jersey dj quincy] vaughn. 'we called it "sleaze time", because he'd play all of these funk, down tempo sleazy records, like pat metheney's "are you going with me", "cocaine in the brain" by dillinger and talking head's "born under punches"."

and yes, like every other late-disco-into-house DJ apparently he played lots of b52s and liquid liquid alongside the talking heads ... at least up until there were enough 4x4 garage records to fill a 10 hour night ...

maybe not a harvey, but certainly he at least had his idjuts-esque moments. (i hear the idjuts are big fans!)

vahid (vahid), Friday, 20 January 2006 06:59 (8 years ago) Permalink


I think I missed prime-era Zanzibar. Humphries was at his peak a few years before I started going, I think. But he was always awesome when I did dance to his sets. DJ sets at the old Tunnel in NYC were super varied, I remember: freestyle + goth hits (Honk Kong Garden/Christine/The Walk) + "Rock to The Beat", for example.


(x post) Just responding to Vahid's statement that Steve Miller was huge at Zanzibar. I just didn't remember hearing his stuff or any rock the times I was there. Not that it's such a big deal in the end - just great memories - but I've been going out and clubbing in North Jersey/NYC for about 21 years now (I'm 37 this year) so, no, I wouldn't be pulling my experiences out of a book.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Friday, 20 January 2006 07:04 (8 years ago) Permalink

i think j was taking a shot at me ... he does that ...

vahid (vahid), Friday, 20 January 2006 07:08 (8 years ago) Permalink

It's not terribly eclectic but I do love that first Tony Humphries Ministry of Sound Sessions mix - esp. the amazing first track!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 20 January 2006 07:13 (8 years ago) Permalink

XPOST

You know it's all for love...

Giles Manius (jsoulja), Friday, 20 January 2006 07:51 (8 years ago) Permalink

anyone hear this new lordy?

Dominique (dleone), Friday, 20 January 2006 16:52 (8 years ago) Permalink

Whatever We Want is run by a guy by the name of Carlos. Here is a mix he did for beats in space along with quiet village http://www.beatsinspace.net/audio/2005/nov1/bis110105part1.mp3
http://www.beatsinspace.net/audio/2005/nov1/bis110105part2.mp3
He also talks about the label and such on the show.

Makrugaik (makrugaik), Saturday, 21 January 2006 15:16 (8 years ago) Permalink

yeah the Lordy is pretty cool.

There's a new white label on Feedelity, just called "Another Station", it's kind of erm........hands in the air piano eupohoria!

Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 21 January 2006 15:23 (8 years ago) Permalink

ok...captainjc mentioned that but wasn't sure...Carlos throws the No Ordinary Monkey parties in NY.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Saturday, 21 January 2006 17:15 (8 years ago) Permalink

Perhaps off topic, but since such luminaries are gathered here, I wanted to ask if anyone has heard/has opinions of $tinkworx (http://www.discogs.com/artist/$tinkworx). I discovered a bit back that he is local to me, and he is djing tonight at what is a tiny little sandwich shop/used book store by day. Opinions?

matt2 (matt2), Saturday, 21 January 2006 18:13 (8 years ago) Permalink

Doesn't he run the Down Low label? I've heard good things about his music, though haven't heard it myself. Supposedly a big Italo geek and collector, too.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Saturday, 21 January 2006 18:18 (8 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, he does run Down Low. I went to their site (http://www.downlowmusic.org), and it all sounds quite nice to me, although there aren't many actual $tinkworx releases. As far as the Italo geek think, I believe he supposed to be big on that stuff.

matt2 (matt2), Saturday, 21 January 2006 18:28 (8 years ago) Permalink

I've decided to try trace the roots of this whole thing in a series of posts on my blog www.aythtok.blogspot.com , its gonna be pretty freeform and unspecific. I don't want Andre Bumrocks calling me a geek.

Makrugaik (makrugaik), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 15:59 (8 years ago) Permalink

being pedantic about the whole thing, I think "disco" is more appropriate then "house" in these contexts. And the weirdest thing is the disconnect between "italo-disco" and "cosmic". I think in the present day, a lot of people are informed by both, as they've both had revivals in the last few years, but at the time, the Cosmic pioneers claimed to not care for italo-disco...which may not be suprising because at the time the term italo-disco began being used, and Cosmic was at it's height, italo was at it's most pop and cheesiest phase.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 16:44 (8 years ago) Permalink

Noted.

Makrugaik (makrugaik), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 18:05 (8 years ago) Permalink

Get some MP3 interviews with Harvey (and Danny Krivit, Kirk Degiorgio, Hank Shocklee, Morgan Geist and more) from here...

http://www.redbullmusicacademy.com/PODCASTS.132.0.html

I prefer 'bearded house' to 'bearded disco' for some reason, even if it's not as right. People being into cosmic and Italo isn't that surprising, in the same way that a lot of people are into, say, 60s psych and Animated Egg type 60s psychsploitation now, whereas at the time the latter would have been totally uncool and even, maybe, a betrayal. Time erases tribal differences.

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 18:24 (8 years ago) Permalink

i think house would be more apt a term for *now* - a lot of these guys were definitely playing house and techno before italo and this "cosmic" thing got its own thread on ilm. ;)

great site, thanks

Dominique (dleone), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 18:41 (8 years ago) Permalink

part of me just wants to avoid new usage of old terms to mean new things, the way Electro used to mean breakdance and now means Depeche Mode.

From now on, we have to refer to the current sounds as:

Beardo Kosmiche CosmicÂȘ

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 19:10 (8 years ago) Permalink

Are these RBMA/Odeo podcast links all dead ?

blunt (blunt), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 20:43 (8 years ago) Permalink

No, cuz I downloaded 'em about three hours ago (pressing on the MP3 button.) The site was a bit slow though.

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 20:53 (8 years ago) Permalink

And I got the LArry Heard and Legowelt ones coming down now.

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 20:56 (8 years ago) Permalink

I must be a bit thick or something

blunt (blunt), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 22:04 (8 years ago) Permalink

Eh? Have you got'em? Just click on the button that sez MP3 to the right of the picture. They're not really podcasts, just d/lable MP3s.

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 22:12 (8 years ago) Permalink

It doesn't say mp3 anywhere on that page (as displayed by Firefox under Windows). All links go to different "odeo.com/show/123456/view" URLs which never respond.

blunt (blunt), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 23:39 (8 years ago) Permalink

Weird! The links respond for me on Firefox version 1.5. In fact, even if I type in your made up "odeo.com/show/123456/view" address I get an option to d/l an MP3 of "ZEPH CHATS HOW THE ABSTRACT GETS AT THE SOUL. WISDOM WICH PASSES AT THE SPIRIT, OLD, YOUNG, IT DOES NOT MATTER, ALWAYS BE EAGER AS A CHILD TO LEARN NEW THINGS"!

If you, or anyone else interested, still can't get 'em tomorrow leave a note here and I'll YSI 'em.

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 23:56 (8 years ago) Permalink

Oh I see then, it's one of those crack-in-the-fabric-of-the-universe things, I get that all the time.

Zeph (blunt), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 00:01 (8 years ago) Permalink

Dexterity, my co-blogger, just posted about how the whole 45 at 33 thing was also a phenomenon in South Africa in the nineties. Interesting read. More of this to come. www.aythtok.blogspot.com

Makrugaik (makrugaik), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 09:24 (8 years ago) Permalink

Tangentially relevant...

Cabaret is a new monthly party on the last Saturday of every month at Capone's. Featuring disco classico y obscura, tape edits, video loops, and unreleased goodies. Dress to sweat! With dj sets by Escort each month and a rotating cast of very special monthly guests. FREE!

Confounded (Confounded), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 16:18 (8 years ago) Permalink

the whole 45 at 33 thing

this reminded me of seeing d@n h0ugland play the first track of Pavement's Watery Domestic at 33 (it was really good) and got me thinking, do excepter fit into this? i've only seen them once and never heard the records but they do some house beats, right?
maybe more since porkchop joined?

duke fan, Wednesday, 25 January 2006 16:39 (8 years ago) Permalink

haven't seen them in a while but I figured Nathan did more of the drum programming. He's in the band right? And I know he's got an MPC or something. But I guess it's a third about how dancey they want to get, a third about hot its marketed/sold/perceived i.e., to what degree is it on the radar of more conventional unconventional "dance" djs, and finally, how far are those DJs willing to go? The easy solution would be to get some hipster producer to remix a track, that's like the key that unlocks the door, that says "hey DJs, you can play Excepter because like, DFA remixed it!"

what do you think, excepter?

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 17:15 (8 years ago) Permalink

ps - how much do you figure DFA charges for a remix? Lindstrom?

Dominique (dleone), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 17:55 (8 years ago) Permalink

Hey Duke Fan -

I think D@n H0ugl@nd needs to DJ more often. I've never heard the m@n play anything less than a killer set.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 18:01 (8 years ago) Permalink

lindstrom only accept payment in meatballs. last i heard they were asking for around 2000.

stirmonster (stirmonster), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 18:09 (8 years ago) Permalink

That converts to 8200 quid in UK money! Fuck!

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 18:13 (8 years ago) Permalink

oh you guys

Dominique (dleone), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 18:14 (8 years ago) Permalink

Perhaps this, too, should be it's own thread and maybe there is one but I couldn't find it. But is there a remotely definitive Italo Disco collection on cd? It looks like ZYX puts out about 20 of them a year, but is there at least a good, perhaps multi-disc, place to start?

matt2 (matt2), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 18:56 (8 years ago) Permalink

there's definately been threads, but the easiest way to start is by downloading Mixed Up At the Hague from:

http://www.cybernetic-broadcasting.net/home/?page=mixage1

and listen to the Cybernetic radio station.

2 good and hip italo comps are Environ's Unclassics, and Irma's I-Robots.

The ZYX stuff is expansive and covers italo from the viewpoint of the eastern-european italo fans, who tend to like stuff a lot cheesier then most of us.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 19:12 (8 years ago) Permalink

just to say I really like the campfire mixcd, and for me the "errors" in the mix makes the charm of the cd and it goes well with the random sounds and the spaced out selection, great mix....

so I dunno if I missed it, but that aNYthing mixcd thing was finally posted ?

would love to hear it.

thanks

myninecanpiss, Wednesday, 25 January 2006 19:35 (8 years ago) Permalink

Thanks Dan. I've got Unclassics and really enjoy it. Discogs tells me that I-Robots is largely instrumental, which is disappointing cause I like the very special vocals. I'm tempted to give one of those ZYX collections a whirl just to see, but I have no clue where to start. I loved the Pineapples and M&G tracks from this post on the fourfour blog. Any others in that general realm you would recommend?

matt2 (matt2), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 20:26 (8 years ago) Permalink

mixed up in the hague is prob the best - actually you should go on slsk and search "italo". I know there are several people (including me) sharing folders full of stuff

Dominique (dleone), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 20:28 (8 years ago) Permalink

so I dunno if I missed it, but that aNYthing mixcd thing was finally posted ?

Nah, it never showed. I'd love to hear it.

I've got a review of that Campfire mix going up on Stylus, err, whenever they put it up.

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 20:32 (8 years ago) Permalink

Sorry, found the thread I shoulda been posting on here: Italo Disco RFI

matt2 (matt2), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 20:57 (8 years ago) Permalink

go grab Amadeo - Memories over at Bumrocks ....

Renard (Renard), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 21:06 (8 years ago) Permalink

Thanks Renard.

matt2 (matt2), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 21:20 (8 years ago) Permalink


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