Best Album Rated 10.0 by Pitchfork Media Upon Its Initial Release

Jet was beyond words or numbers

And I think that Pitchfork currently understands that nothing really deserves a ten without a proper amount of time to measure its cultural importance

yeah but that's total bullshit! "cultural importance" has little to do with how much a piece of music affects me. and in any case, cultural importance to whom? there are vast swathes of music and artists who owe little/nothing to the sodding beatles

http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/5607-travistan/

also the white album is terrible and therefore very much inessential

yeah but that's total bullshit! "cultural importance" has little to do with how much a piece of music affects me

Wasn't it you who was claiming last years Rihanna album was culturally important?

hang on that review is not a 0.0 review it is a 4.8 review

http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/5607-travistan/

LOL: link to the left of the review "Travis Morrison Retires From Music"

And I think that Pitchfork currently understands that nothing really deserves a ten without a proper amount of time to measure its cultural importance

I wouldn't go along with that either, I don't see how that can be a factor given that (as per this thread) they give 10s to newly released albums as well as reissues

plus I don't think "cultural importance" is something that is built into pfk's concept of what is essential

there are vast swathes of music and artists who owe little/nothing to the sodding beatles

-lex

That doesn't mean that there isn't a huge percentage of music and artists who are. I'm not saying Pitchfork or its scoring system is perfect but they definitely seem more careful about it these days.

Wasn't the review of Coltrane's Live at the Village Vanguard (shit, cat) a 10.0?

Nah, 8.5.

Wait a minute I wasn't implying that Pitchfork was deciding cultural importance for us, just that thats part of what they are using to determine the score they give something, especially when they are considering a 10.

Oh maybe thats not what you meant either anagram. Sorry.

Wasn't it you who was claiming last years Rihanna album was culturally important?

as these things go it was, but that's not a reason to give it 10! (i'd give it 8.)

Eitherway, I just think "cultural importance" is a tiny summary of an element that helps them decide. There. Also, when I say current Pitchfork I mean post-2002 and no new releases have received a 10 since then.

I feel sorry for anyone under the age of 60 who thinks that the white album is "culturally important".

In what way is it essential? I know Beatles obsessives who don't think it's that good.

if the beatles aren't culturally important I dunno wtf is

No one can ever decide which tracks would make the "greatest ever single album"
xp

it's better than sgt peppers, but that's no great compliment

Who actually cares if something is culturally important or not?

the same people who care about whether pitchfork gave something a 9.9 or a 10

Sad people!

I remember NME giving a Wolfsbane live album 10/10 once. Doesn't get more culturally important than that, huh?

I cant remember any other NME 10/10 albums. Did the strokes first album get a 10?

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it more or less documents the moment at which rock music was born

I haven't heard the Dylan album but why would a 1966 Bob Dylan concert be the moment at which rock music was born?

I haven't listened in a while but I always really liked the white album the whole way through, including the goofy tracks.

oh wait , Doran, did you give the last flaming lips album a 10/10 in nme?

it more or less documents the moment at which rock music was born

Bollocks

btw how many suggest bans will I get when I start 'Best Album Rated 9.9 by Pitchfork Media Upon Its Initial Release'

NME gave Asian Dub Foundation's 'Community Music' 10/10. it then failed to appear on their EOY list iirc.

Whether you like the White Album or not, denying that it has cultural relevance is a laugh.

Well maybe it doesn't but it sure sounds that way to me. The way he plays solo acoustic on disc 1 and then just plugs in and lets rip on disc 2 sounds totally seismic, like a massive turning point. I mean I'm not going to start going all Geir here but it seems to me that if anyone can be said to have invented rock music (as opposed to pop, or to rock'n'roll), then Dylan did it when he went electric. The Beatles certainly didn't do it.

xxxp

Lots of people were playing loud rock music in 1966

"if most people were to choose their best ten albums of the last decade, they would struggle to come up with a list that looked better to most others than this."

oh man i think almost anybody could come up with a list that looked better than this.

Especially in Paisley.
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Just giving the MOST CURRENT Pitchfork.com a little credit. None of the reviews in the poll are current. so a disclaimer: I am not saying the albums above are culturally important, and I don't think Pitchfork is right about anything. There are only varying levels of agreement I can apply to everything they say.

Varying levels as in lots of disagreement, too.

...as with any publication.

Pfunkboy: No, that was something that was flying round on ILX for some reason a year or so ago... I gave it 9/10 but like I say, it's pretty meaningless without the text and when left to my own devices I don't score albums. It's pointless and misleading. (I stand by how I feel about that album... and there were other things to take into consideration such as the fact that anything less than 9/10 would have suggested the magazine felt that At War and Pink Robots were better albums, which they aren't.)

Scott: That's not what I mean. I mean if you came up with your list now, as many people would disagree with it.

ah okay. i didn't read that right.

I hate BPrinceB but I understand why that album means a lot to a lot of people. It's not like they've given 10/10 to Hot Hot Heat's second album.

would vote the soft bulletin because i am a sentimental wuss

the white album has helter skelter, julia and i'm so tired, and is therefore godhead

I don't get that at all, anagram, especially considering that "Like a Rolling Stone" had already gone Top 10 in 1965, one year before this concert, not to mention that the Rolling Stones had released several albums by that point. (And I'm not sure I see it as obvious that the Beatles had less to do with the emergence of rock than Dylan.)

(Actually, "Subterranean Homesick Blues" was released earlier than "Like a Rolling Stone", duh.)

But you take my point that there is no way in fucking hell that The Beatles ST is a 10 out of 10 album

No, but "A Hard Day's Night", "Revolver" and "Sgt. Pepper" all are.

I cant remember any other NME 10/10 albums. Did the strokes first album get a 10?

― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, June 11, 2010 2:52 PM (1 hour ago)

The Strokes album did. The first Arctic Monkeys album also got 10 and was listed at number 5 in the best British albums of all time the week it came out.

Others I can remember getting 10..
Pet Shop Boys-Pop Art
Eve-Scorpion
Supergrass-Supergrass is 10
The Bug-Pressure

I seem to remember reading one of the early 90's Fall albums got a 10, maybe Shift-Work?

Pfunkboy: No, that was something that was flying round on ILX for some reason a year or so ago... I gave it 9/10

― Duran (Doran), Friday, June 11, 2010 3:13 PM (1 hour ago)

I remember asking you about that as the NME website had it listed as 0/10 then in the comments it said why is it listed as getting zero instead of 10? Metacritic and Wikipedia also say it was rated as a 10. I think 9 is a spot on grade though.

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I agree.

So close to a 10.0 with this vintage Save Ferris piece!:

Save Ferris
It Means Everything
(Epic)
Rating: 9.5

If you're lucky, really lucky in life, you might be able to occasionally catch sight of a band that has reached their perfect groove. It's when they're tight and unified, playing music for the sheer fun and love of it, far before the cynicism sets in. They give off a special energy that is meant for the smaller venues. They record CD's that become "keepers", the mainstay of your collection, though they may go "out of style" someday.

Save Ferris' It Means Everything knocked my socks off. I was in bed, the changer had just changed over from Meat Beat Manifesto and off in the distance this CD pulled me awake with its clean bouncin' groove. Its tight, unpretentious, energetic ska led by the rich and soothing voice of Monique Powell opened my eyes to a beautiful day. Yes, a band in their perfect groove. I reached bedside to my DC City Paper and began to frantically search for them live. That's when their cover of "Come On Eileen" came on. I think I came. Great music that won't be soon forgotten by anyone who's heard them.

-James P. Wisdom

james p wisdom gave mansun's first album 9.3 which was pleasing if charitable