The very real possibility that vinyl will outlive CD - T or F?

DG--it wasn't funny the first time

What, are you 12 or something? xp

don't just take my word for it

Okay, I'm not going to engage in debate with someone who's going to wish death on me. It's not worth my stress.

This thread will be really interesting to read a decade from now, so I'm going to go ahead and give my future self in 2017 a shoutout. Sorry for all the dumb things I'll do.

I'm in the vinyl + downloading camp. Nearly all of my disposable income goes to records.

if drugs were cheaper i wouldnt download music

or I'd pay for it

I buy CD's these days pretty much solely to have a quality hard copy for albums i really really like so i can rip them to my computer at any time.

Vinyl will always be around and will outlive CD's, but I doubt the current resurgence of vinyl interest beyond that of serious music fans will last long.

The Garden State effect. Seriously (kinda). I, embarassingly, know of two people who bought turntables after seeing Natalie Portman's room in that movie.

-- jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:29 PM (29 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Yes! Hahaha I know some people who did this too.

Probably worth noting, from one of the sidebars to that Billboard piece (which I edited, but what the hell):

No one is making new vinyl pressing machines. "We can't buy the machines anymore, so we rebuild them as we go," [United Record Pressing plant manager Dave] Jump says.
Likewise, some aspects of vinyl manufacturing are so specialized and bordering obsolete that at some plants, only one person is trained to perform certain functions. "We were going to put out an album in vinyl, but there was only one guy at the company who could glue the sleeve properly, but he hurt his arm, and they couldn't complete the album on time," one major-label head of sales says. "So we had to scramble and go elsewhere."
...In the last two years, two vinyl plants, 33 1/3 and Hub Servell, have closed their doors, one industry executive says."

I still buy just about anything.

scott seward - nice collection, of course, but how do you keep the youngster from tattering all your goodies. The only worn-out CD i have is a MP3 comp that spent less than 60 seconds in the presence of my two-year-old. My proper collection resides in a room i won't even let me boy into. Asshole; i know.

Michael Jones, on the consequence of format -- for some reason the thoughtful insights you share regarding format limitations are something i fear many engineers lack.

On deterioration. An associate at the record store i worked at back in the 80s would routinely throw her discs on the floor and step on them to prove the invincibility of the format. Ignoramus. I myself have never considered the CD a portable format and pity the fools who practice otherwise.

On MP3s - they sound crap at 192kbps to the point where i'd actually prefer a cassette. If you jack up the volume through a good stereo even low bit MP3s sound passable. I positively love the capacity as well as the ability to play tunes in 5+ hour slabs. Also, since most of these are e-pirated, at the end of the day, don’t really hold them in very high regard.

On the demise of CDs - I hope not, but, i really don't care. The bigger issue is hardware; as i doubt there are manufacturers that make disc players that really last. Sure, i know i can dump it all to a hard drive, but where's the fun in that?

On DVD/CD/MP3 players -- is it just me or does anybody else around here despise having to turn on the friggin' TELEVISION to navigate through an MP3 discs folders? Can’t you make me a little alphanumeric screen on the unit (or remote) so I can get around a little more precisely than dead reckoning?

On Ipods and digital devices-- once again, the bigger crime is the fact that these units are crap and offer no real safe harbor for archiving. Flash memory holds promise, but i'd sure as hell rather haul my stax around than have to manage some monster digital archive along with all it's requisite back-ups and hard copies. It's like that old Steven Wright joke about his "actual size" map (1 mile equals 1 mile).

maybe this is mean, but i'm always kinda rooting for the demise of everything.

love, that guy who buys old vhs tapes twenty at a time at yard sales

(CDs at yard sales are already treated like yesterday's meatballs. a quarter. fifty cents. people just want to get rid of them. more for me!)

there's nothing sadder than cds of failed, anonymous major label acts.

owning a bunch of them comes pretty close

cds left over once Tower closed to thread

;_;

Cheap LPs always look potentially interesting - cheap CDs look beyond sad

anyone want some tripmaster monkey discs?

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cds left over once Tower closed to thread

-- sexyDancer, Tuesday, November 20, 2007 3:30 PM (Tuesday, November 20, 2007 3:30 PM) Bookmark Link

But what of the 88 leftover Celly Cell cassettes?

"Okay, I'm not going to engage in debate with someone who's going to wish death on me. It's not worth my stress.

-- The Reverend"

im not wishing, im guaranteeing it. unless somehow you are immortal.....

along with you guys, thankfully.

ban pipecock.

BAN PIPECOCK, rather

It's like that old Steven Wright joke about his "actual size" map (1 mile equals 1 mile).

i think that was originally an umberto eco joke

George: But surely, Sir, you must allow me to at least try and save him.

Melchett: No, George. It would be as pointless as trying to teach a woman the value of a good, forward defensive stroke. Besides, it would take a superman to get him out of there, not the kind of weed who blubs just because somebody gives him a slice of rabbit pie instead of birthday cake.

George: Well, I suppose you're right, Sir.

Melchett: Course I am. Now let's talk about something more jolly, shall we? Look, this is the amount of land we've recaptured since yesterday.

[Melchett and George move over to the map table.]

George: Oh, excellent.

Melchett: Erm, what is the actual scale of this map, Darling?

Darling: Erm, one-to-one, Sir.

Melchett: Come again?

Darling: Er, the map is actually life-size, Sir. It's superbly detailed. Look, look, there's a little worm.

Melchett: Oh, yes. So the actual amount of land retaken is?

[Darling whips out a tape measure amd measures the table.]

Darling: Excuse me, Sir. Seventeen square feet, Sir.

Borges short story too

even though i'm not really into vinyl per se my mom made me this awesome birthday cake because she knows i'm a big music fan:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/sexymollusk/DSCN1321.jpg

(yes, that's a toothpick as the needle!)

i love my mom!

Awes.

haha that rules!

DON'T STACK VINYL HORIZONTALLY FOR GOD'S SAKE

Uh-oh, skot has incurred the wrath of Sick Mouthy.

what, you mean my 45s? fuck my 45s. they'll outlive me. but i don't plan on keeping them there long. i just needed a place to put them for now. i need to find the right spot for them. i was sick of having them in boxes. i need to go through them all too. weed out the crap.

THEY'LL WARP AND STUFF AND BE UNPLAYABLE - ALSO, HOW TO GET THE ONES AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PILE OUT??!!

YOU DON'T WANT TO GET THEM OUT! THAT'S WHY THEY ARE AT THE BOTTOM!

best configuration - stacked vertically end-to-end, obv

"THEY'LL WARP AND STUFF AND BE UNPLAYABLE"

oh please. maybe in 50 years! and i've bought plenty of 45s that had obviously been sitting in stacks like that for decades that were fine. they are hardy little beasts.

funny though - stayed at an old friend's house last nite and they had stacks of records in an outside room that were all stacked so that they were bending and i brought this to their attention. cuz it bugs me when i see things like that. turns out they didn't want them anyway so i ended up taking the ones i wanted out of the bunch! got some good stuff too!

i want to find some good boxes for my 45s. i might just buy some from bags unlimited or something. that way i can seperate by genre, etc. and keep them in the closet. free up shelf space for more records or books.

http://testindustries.typepad.com/test/2007/11/the-vinyl-front.html

from a guy that owns a local store in mpls:

last month, for the first time in 20 years, new vinyl sales grossed more than new cd sales at treehouse records! for the past several years, usually our top sales categories have looked like this, month after month:
#1. new cd's
#2. used records
#3 new records
#4 used cd's

in december, it went like this:
#1. used records
#2. new records
#3. new cd's
#4. used cd's

Not surprising at all, though: someone has surely said something like this upthread, but post-mp3, anyone spending money on physical-object music probably kinda likes the physical-object part, and the searching-for-it part, and the "buying the kind of music not immediately available from iTunes" part. CD market becomes mp3 market and vanishes; vinyl market remains vinyl market, and only becomes more interesting in contrast.

they need to make old and new vinyl cheaper though.

eg - i want to buy old miles davis albums, and it would be nice if they were the same price 2nd hand on vinyl as on cd.

look harder.

what are you looking for?

basic stuff i used to have like someday my prince will come, porgy and bess on vinyl. im sure my local 2nd hand shop will have them eventually for cheap (i got coltranes debut and herbie hancocks maiden voyage yesterday for 7 pounds total) but im impatient.

look on-line. you can even find nice japanese vinyl reissues on ebay sometimes for less than a new cd.

oh man my original 1st press of porgy and bess sounds so friggin good. yowza!

the thing about itunes i mostly don't like is i never know what to get. it's hard to decide cuz there are so many options. i had a hell of a time trying to spend this $25 gift certificate i got for xmas.

i guess i like stores mostly not because i can go there and buy the stuff i wanted to get, but to buy the stuff i didn't know i wanted.

i mean there are NEW vinyl reissues too. most are around 15 bucks or so.

http://cgi.ebay.com/MILES-DAVIS-QUIET-NIGHTS-GIL-EVANS-VINYL-LP-SEALED_W0QQitemZ250203499115QQihZ015QQcategoryZ306QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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Music/record/clothing (esp. clothing!) shopping is a million times more fun IRL then it is online. Online shopping is great for finding deals on something you've always wanted and never found in IRL or which you can't find as cheaply.