I'm sorry, the "average sports column" is total dreck! What are you thinking of here?
― Kris (aqueduct), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 23:19 (twenty years ago) link
These days even the teachers would have to google for that.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 23:20 (twenty years ago) link
― hstencil, Tuesday, 20 May 2003 23:21 (twenty years ago) link
― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 23:21 (twenty years ago) link
― hstencil, Tuesday, 20 May 2003 23:22 (twenty years ago) link
Hey, me neither, but that was part of the fun/mystique! You found out stuff however you could, bit by bit, maybe going through the microfiche Rolling Stone collection at the library, or reading a 100-word review in a Trouser Press guide.
― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 23:22 (twenty years ago) link
Abraham saw signs of God and believed. Now the only sign is that all the signs in the world make no difference. Is this God's ironic revenge? But I am onto him."
― Walker Percy (tracerhand), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 23:24 (twenty years ago) link
― Miccio Barbie, Tuesday, 20 May 2003 23:25 (twenty years ago) link
― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 23:28 (twenty years ago) link
I want a miccio barbie so bad.
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 23:28 (twenty years ago) link
― Madonna (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 23:28 (twenty years ago) link
I am not a rock critic. I post and read ILM. I don't really care if someone uses "overacademic bullshit" language or not. So quit assuming you speak for anybody else.
Thanks,
hstencil
― hstencil, Tuesday, 20 May 2003 23:31 (twenty years ago) link
Was I a rockcrit when I was 12? No.
Anyway, your argt stinks. "I can't name any --> they don't exist."
― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 23:31 (twenty years ago) link
― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 23:33 (twenty years ago) link
― Overacademic Bullshit (mlescaut), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 23:35 (twenty years ago) link
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 23:35 (twenty years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 23:36 (twenty years ago) link
― hstencil, Tuesday, 20 May 2003 23:37 (twenty years ago) link
― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 23:39 (twenty years ago) link
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 23:40 (twenty years ago) link
(and like i was talking about you, hstencil)/good-natured ribbing
― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 23:41 (twenty years ago) link
― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 23:42 (twenty years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 23:44 (twenty years ago) link
― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 23:47 (twenty years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 23:51 (twenty years ago) link
A: Even my dad knows Skip Bayless is an idiot.
― Kris (aqueduct), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 01:53 (twenty years ago) link
― Kris (aqueduct), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 01:56 (twenty years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 02:56 (twenty years ago) link
― Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 03:02 (twenty years ago) link
― daria g, Wednesday, 21 May 2003 04:16 (twenty years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 04:19 (twenty years ago) link
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 04:36 (twenty years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 05:02 (twenty years ago) link
If academia has proven anything, it's that throwing a firework into a boring study hall always produces more boring study halls than it does fireworks. Did you really expect us all to say 'shit, he's right!', throw the A through K section of our bookshelves out into the street and never come back?
And Daria, isn't theory the development of ideas? How can you get rid of that in an academic environment?
(and someone please answer one more question: what thread sparked this one? i want to read it)
― Dave M. (rotten03), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 05:57 (twenty years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 13:21 (twenty years ago) link
YES. Do it, now.
― Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 13:31 (twenty years ago) link
For instance, relying on jargon or buzzwords or theorists without taking the time to explain them to those who are not intimately acquainted with them. This doesn't mean writing for a 13-year-old: this simply means writing outside yourself. I'm looking forward to seeing Sterling's article on Jay-Z and Bakhtin -- but since I only have a cursory understanding of dialogism, I'm hoping that he'll elucidate Bakhtin's theories somewhat to get me more interested and involved in the piece. (It will also allow him to better support his argument.) There's also just plain bad writing that's dense or labored or whatever, and I think we all agree that Xgau, in his attempts to be pithy and allusive, sometimes fails to communicate his basic message.
Often this all comes across as elitist because readers think I-don't-get-it-I-guess-I'm-dumb, but too often it's just the critic's laziness (or unwillingess) to explicate. And if we are indeed talking primarily about journalism (instead of academic criticism that's explicitly written for an inside crowd), then this seems worthy of critique.
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 15:24 (twenty years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 15:28 (twenty years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 15:30 (twenty years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 15:34 (twenty years ago) link
― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 15:40 (twenty years ago) link
― Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 16:03 (twenty years ago) link
― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 16:07 (twenty years ago) link
― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 16:17 (twenty years ago) link
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 16:18 (twenty years ago) link
That's a whole new thread I don't even want to touch yet.
and why is it so important have a clear stance on that?
It depends on what your ultimate goal is. If you are an evaluative critic, the kind that gives points and letter grades, then it's important to let the reader know how and why you liked something, to give them some sense of where you're coming from so they can better predict if they'll like it or not.
If you're more of an analytical critic, I don't think it's as important to state your personal likes or dislikes. But I think it's still important to have a well-defined perspective or approach, so the reader knows whether you actually agree with Derrida's point and find it useful, or if you're just being gratuitous.
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 16:28 (twenty years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 16:30 (twenty years ago) link
the potential helpfulness of such a word — of any jargon word — is that it compacts all into one place a lot of apparently different activities/concepts not otherwise so gathered: and the gathering may be laborious and you don't want to do it all over again, so you use the word as a shortcut for "go see the work [x] did categorising/arguing this, which is very telling, and i wd only spoil it if i tried to summarise"
i am v.naughty when it comes to citing ppl as if it's obvious to all what they think and say: this is (partly) because i am pathologically bad at precis, and get in a terrible panic if i am asked to summarise a paragraph ("unless i read every word ever written in the english language, i do not truly understand this sentence and must let it stand for itself")
i am not in fact quite so naughty when it comes to words like "postmodernism", which i mainly think are failed attempts at genre-marketing and NOT handy codifications of related ideas
i think the shortcut is fair enough (explaining things everyone present already knows can be tedious and offputting — or just look silly cf "the popular beat combo supergrass"), but i think asking for the longer version is completely fair enough also
― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 16:32 (twenty years ago) link
I suppose my only real worry these days is the (self-imposed) idea that everything is up for grabs and has to be listened to and talked about. (In terms of angle? Honestly, after dealing with theory for years, I don't want to think what I'm supposed to be doing on that front.)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 16:33 (twenty years ago) link
― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 16:38 (twenty years ago) link