When did Doom Metal/Black Metal and the like become "hip" and why?

stupid bbcode

This adds a layer of irony on top of the fact that Led Zep took the sensuality of blues songs by Muddy Waters & howlin' Wolf & reduced it essentially to objectification & rape, going even farther than Jagger had a few years earlier.

hahaha this is complete bullshit

don't think howlin wolf is particular sensual but maybe that's just me

improvspirit should probably explain his comments

i'd just as soon s/he didn't but to each his own i guess

YOB is totally not hip, and yet they seem to be the runaway favorite at Scion metal fest and Roadburn. And the NYTimes gushes about them.

Who needs "hip" if you got "quality"?

I do!

Doesn't being hip usually cancel out some of the best elements of any metal band? I dunno... I've been feeling backlashes against "hip" from the depths of the metal scene anyway. I think there's a mutual resistance and though I try to fight the good fight on a daily basis, it does wear me out...

oh, I'm being facetious. My general experience has been that "hipster metal" has done more to bring hipsters into the metal fold than to dilute metal's inherent awesomeness.

I do think the influence of Sunn0))) has been generally positive. I'm a community-minded guy that welcomes newbs with open arms.

And the NYTimes gushes about them.

YOB.

Long proven fact: Praise of such acts in places like the NY Times isn't quite worth the price of the paer it's printed on. You can use it in your press sheets. It doesn't sell records. The 'arts section reader'
audience of the NY Times receives it as mildly interesting tales of exotic bugs. Been that way for decades. Wrong venue. YOB's hardcore audience, or potential audience, is not influenced by such as the NY Times. NY Times critic given latitude to write about whatever he or she feels like as long, sometimes as long as it seems edgy.

This isn't a knock on YOB. It's more of a comment on the reality of appraisal of same at big mainstream venues like the NY Times, the WaPost, the LATimes, etc. A couple of my friends who don't ever get motivated to buy such music but who read the Times daily will see it. They may say, "That's interesting."

NY Times comment on acts like YOB is more for the benefit of other working rock critics
publishing in name venues.

They signal each other on what they're listening to a little when not divining the
mainstream sales tea leaves for the pop music zeitgeist narrative of the week.

That's the message.

The 'arts section reader' audience of the NY Times receives it as mildly interesting tales of exotic bugs.

Love this, will steal it.

Somebody asked for a citation above, and I can provide one for my outlandish bullshit from 5/17. SOme of it was more-or-less paraphrased from Charles Shaar Murray's book Crosstown Traffic. He cites a particular Muddy Waters tune, the name of which escapes me right now, and its playful seductive tone. This is then compared to 'Whole Lotta Love' and its vision of using a lady to masturbate into because she should just be glad she's there. Murray may have overstated things; I may have too, but it isn't bullshit. Not because I can cite a source for some of the ideas [I'm quite capable of dreaming up my own psycho horsecrap, thanks :-)], but because it is indicative of an ingredient in the ever-changing music timeline.

Simon Reynolds/Joy Press wrote of 'Whole Lotta Love' as 'thermonuclear gang rape'. I don't really agree but the phrase stuck with me and still makes me LOL in its overstatement.

LOL yeah I think I read that somewhere too, maybe even quoted in Murray's book. It is top-notch hyperbole.

isis are gone

morelike bore one out amirite?

j/k I gots nuffin against them really

So yeah... The Muddy Waters song mentioned in the Murray book was 'I Need Love' from 1963. That's fairly obvious & I'm not sure why I couldn't think of it. 'Twas obviously nicked for 'Whole Lotta Love.'

"sensuality":
http://recessedfilter.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/waters.jpg
You've got yearnin' and I got burnin'
Baby you look so sweet and cunning
Baby way down inside, woman you need love
Woman you need love, you've got to have some love
I'm gonna give you some love, I know you need love
You just gotta have love, you make me feel so good
You make me feel all right, you're so nice, you're so nice
You're frettin', and I'm petting
A lot of good things you ain't getting
Baby, way down inside, you need love
You need to be hugged and squeezed real tight,
by the light of the moon on some summer night
You need love and kissing too,
all these things are good for you
I ain't foolin' you need schoolin'
Baby you know you need coolin'
Baby, way down inside, woman you need love

"objectification and rape":
http://rockonhome.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/robert_plant2.jpg
You need coolin', baby, I'm not foolin',
I'm gonna send you back to schoolin',
Way down inside honey, you need it,
I'm gonna give you my love,
I'm gonna give you my love.
Wanna Whole Lotta Love (X4)
You've been learnin', baby, I bean learnin',
All them good times, baby, baby, I've been yearnin',
Way, way down inside honey, you need it,
I'm gonna give you my love... I'm gonna give you my love.
Wanna Whole Lotta Love (X4)
You've been coolin', baby, I've been droolin',
All the good times I've been misusin',
Way, way down inside, I'm gonna give you my love,
I'm gonna give you every inch of my love,
Gonna give you my love.
Wanna Whole Lotta Love (X4)
Way down inside, woman, You need, love.
Shake for me, girl. I wanna be your backdoor man.
Keep it coolin', baby.

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lol

Ecuador, you missed a verse:

You need coolin', baby, I'm not foolin',
I'm gonna masturbate into you,
Way down inside honey, you should just be glad your here,

http://www.viceland.com/blogs/en/2010/03/08/not-fit-to-print-transcendental-metal/

We present it to you in its entirety as a stark warning of what happens when you approach the most inherently comical form of metal with absolutely no sense of humor or fun.

Listen to the Muddy song. Don't read it.

we missed the black metal symposium ii
http://blackmetaltheory.blogspot.com/2010/06/black-metal-theory-symposium-ii.html

markers is hosting the 3rd one in 2011 with Metallica playing their new Arena BM album ... And Bandwagons For All in full

oh man so many good times in this thread

contenderizer's slim moon post & slim moon posting here - thanks, thread!

hah, i forgot all about that.

I've heard stories about Prof Scott Wilson. I'm confident that guy is True Metal.

also i wouldn't call myself an indie kid! i may be deluded but i wouldn't call myself an indie kid.

― 102. LJ: British. 5. (acoleuthic),

lol

markers is hosting the 3rd one in 2011 with Metallica playing their new Arena BM album ... And Bandwagons For All in full

― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Saturday, September 18, 2010 8:06 PM (50 minutes ago)

irl smile @ this

All metal has become hip now. I'm convinced of this. Everywhere I go I see metal people.

Nate, it's just you; you have the 666th Sense.

Nate lives in a metal club.

with King Diamond and Joey DeMaio

demo tape limited to 3

jyou have the 666th Sense

irl

[loling implied]

when does the unhip get added to the title?

when they figure out how to give you mod powers on any ilm thread with "metal" in the title ;)

there is probably a better thread to bump than this one but w/e this is the best thing ever http://scrapyardmagazine.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/h-creates-bizarre-marketing-scheme-to.html

Monday, March 23, 2015
H&M Creates Bizarre Marketing Scheme to Sell Punk and Metal Inspired Threads
I spend a lot of time on Twitter, and while much of it fades into the background, this caught my attention.

Apparently, H&M hired a team of people to make metal music, metal logos, band histories and a distro AND post online about the legitimacy of said music. Why? To sell a new line of metal and punk inspired clothes, of course.

But it wasn't enough just to doodle some made up band logos and slap them on some pants. No no, H&M is going whole hog. They created a fake label page that happens to sell all of these bands! Here's the facebook page for "Strong Scene Productions." And their website! Yes, it's supposed to look like that. All of this was created super recently too!

If that wasn't weird enough, there's a bunch of corporate sponsored accounts on Reddit saying that these bands are TOTALLY REAL. While it's not uncommon for major corporations to create accounts on social media to sell stuff, H&Ms dedication seems oddly bizarre and specific.

THEY PAID. H&M PAID to have a song called "Vaginal's Juice Dripping into Cadaverous." By a band called Yvaeh (subtle), a "Malaysian" band. It's like they took a page from Ghost Bath. Only, WEIRDER. This YouTube account was made yesterday, by the way. They PAID to invent fake NSBM bands, LANY and The One. (Although The One is really a band, but no idea if this is the same band or if they're NSBM/Nationalists.) Regardless of everything else weird about this, it is definitely BAD MARKETING tocreat fake racist bands. Bad, H&M. Bad.

I'm not one to be all "METAL SHOULD STAY UNDERGROUND, POSERS!" but I do wonder why H&M didn't pay actual bands. Or just invent fake logos without the elaborate backstory.

the Facebook page is just next level

Wow. The guys behind the campaign aren't idiots though, and clearly know their stuff. Pretty sure H&M never expected to be paying for a mocked-up Xerox demo cover with a gun being inserted into a woman.

Right... so this was an art project of fake bands based on the patches on H&M clothing but nothing actually to do with H&M? Seems like a lot of effort to go to, but it got publicity because of it so worked, I guess. Website is down.

prefer the idea of H&M doing it but that's good too

Mingering Metal Mike

Are you on drugs? We love H&M!

http://youtu.be/0z7sRasK9tM

Some rumours it's one of the guys from Moonsorrow.

http://exclaim.ca/music/article/you_can_finally_own_action_figures_of_sleeps_dopesmoker_dudes