Is SPIN really circling the drain?

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yeah, but it would have gone under in record time. what with the 30 page sugababes retrospectives and xiu xiu cover shots.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 2 March 2006 14:52 (eighteen years ago) link

I miss Option.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:10 (eighteen years ago) link

i was going to do an entire contents page for a hypothetical issue of ilm the magazine but i'm not quite bored enough

ham'ron (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:20 (eighteen years ago) link

For sale: Once-fun cultch mag laid waist by THEE INTERNET. Asking $850,000. Will thro in 5 mil in debtz.

SOLD.

So they paid $850,000 for the right to try to recoup $5 million in standing debt. E.g. "We can make it work." There hasn't been a full ad in SPIN in over a year - everything is either a co-brand tie-in or a huge discount. And I think I saw maybe three, four ads in that span that weren't explicitly music-related. Once upon a time SPIN had ads for clothes, food and movies. My question is, why do you throw the editorial staff in the blender when it's so clear that ad sales killed the mag?

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:20 (eighteen years ago) link

aren't they really just buying the brand? not that spin means much to that many people anymore, but it is a recognizable name and people always pay money for that. like the national lampoon.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Bob Guccione Jr., 1985: "I think the world could use a younger version of Rolling Stone"

Andy Pemberton, 2006: "I think the world could use a younger version of Rolling Stone."

ng-unit, Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:33 (eighteen years ago) link

scott! you and me! let's buy spin!

geeta (geeta), Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:34 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm still utterly mind-boggled that spin sold for only $5 million bucks! i bet if everyone on ILM had donated some dough, we could've bought it ourselves and made "ILM: The Magazine"!

But but but I said that already upthread! (It is nice to see you agreeing with me though. ;-) )

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:35 (eighteen years ago) link

i would mandate that all record reviews now be 3,000 words each.

and all the articles would be 6,000 word travelogues with tons of photos. scott would do the 'scott page', which he could fill with whatever he wanted, and his baby rufus would do the DJ chart every month. jess would have a drum'n'bass column, and woebot would have a ten-page full-color laminated gatefold pullout every month to fill with whatever his heart desired. i would write the "berlin page" every issue, with lots of goofy photos of 6 am clubbing action. simon r. would have a column to enthuse about his favorite early ardkore records. matos would do a cdr-go column every month. and every issue would come with a mix-CD curated by optimo, encased in an edible sleeve printed on blotter.

geeta (geeta), Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:43 (eighteen years ago) link

(Can I have a half page where I post nothing but smiley faces and "Astounding!")

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:45 (eighteen years ago) link

oh, and mark s and jel would be the art directors! and tom ewing would have the NYLPM column.

geeta (geeta), Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:46 (eighteen years ago) link

ned, you can write record reviews for our reviews editor (who would be ian penman)

geeta (geeta), Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:47 (eighteen years ago) link

I would be more than content with that. :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:47 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm in, Geeta! Gosh, imagine if someone actually put out a magazine that was fun to read.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:48 (eighteen years ago) link

I want a free jazz column.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:49 (eighteen years ago) link

and in place of chuck klosterman, our star staff writer will be tim finney

geeta (geeta), Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:49 (eighteen years ago) link

:-D :-D :-D

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:50 (eighteen years ago) link

:-/

,,,,,,,,, Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:51 (eighteen years ago) link

phil can have the free jazz column. and we'll include a special limited-edition borbetomagus 7" with the first issue.

BTW phil, check yr email...

geeta (geeta), Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:52 (eighteen years ago) link

i don't know if the new spin will ever be able to top the 14 page falloutboy lay-out in this month's rolling stone.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 2 March 2006 16:03 (eighteen years ago) link

rolling stone's got nothin' on us now that hunter s. thompson's bit the dust.

geeta (geeta), Thursday, 2 March 2006 16:08 (eighteen years ago) link

scott, i want you to do a feature on the hell's angels.

geeta (geeta), Thursday, 2 March 2006 16:09 (eighteen years ago) link

k-punk would have a column called "why theory?"

geeta (geeta), Thursday, 2 March 2006 16:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Why not save $5mil and do an online, freeform, interactive magazine of sorts?

Dave will do (dave225.3), Thursday, 2 March 2006 16:11 (eighteen years ago) link

In otherwards, ILX.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 2 March 2006 16:13 (eighteen years ago) link

"other words," ned -- don't make me sic our nonexistent copyeditors on you!

(mark s will write the style guide, with special entries for "haha," "nu-god," and "roXoR")

geeta (geeta), Thursday, 2 March 2006 16:16 (eighteen years ago) link

"Let's Buy SPIN!"

ahahahahahaha

I don't know why I find this so funny. Future Art Brut song title?

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 2 March 2006 16:22 (eighteen years ago) link

dave q will be the "taking sides" editor. in every issue, he'll take sides against himself, and then write about it. we'll explode the tyranny of binary opposition and let him take n+1 sides, where "n" is a number we'll figure out by rolling a 20-sided die.

geeta (geeta), Thursday, 2 March 2006 16:25 (eighteen years ago) link

>:(

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Thursday, 2 March 2006 16:26 (eighteen years ago) link

"other words," ned -- don't make me sic our nonexistent copyeditors on you!

Help help!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 2 March 2006 16:31 (eighteen years ago) link

geeta don't forget Anthony's punk-pop singles round-up.

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 2 March 2006 16:34 (eighteen years ago) link

why do you throw the editorial staff in the blender when it's so clear that ad sales killed the mag?

when ad sales and readership is down, people don't tend to start blaming the advertising sales force. People start looking at the product that is for sale. And that product is mostly the responsibility of the editorial staff. But if you want to make the case that the editorial staff was delivering a desired product Chris, go ahead and make that case.

oh, and Happy Birthday Ned.

don weiner (don weiner), Thursday, 2 March 2006 16:38 (eighteen years ago) link

i think if everyone on ILX throws down a grand, we could buy spin
-- gear (speed.to.roa...), February 19th, 2006 9:41 AM.


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I actually really like that idea! Good god it would be fun for the half an issue before we ran it into the ground.
-- Sterling Clover (s.clove...), February 19th, 2006 10:29 AM.

gear (gear), Thursday, 2 March 2006 16:39 (eighteen years ago) link

x-post No one will put out a new magazine that is fun to read because everyone under the age of 20 knows that reading is no fun. They must only be fun to *look at*, leaving plenty of brain power left to concentrate on using the toilet.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Thursday, 2 March 2006 16:41 (eighteen years ago) link

ill handle the advertising and/or bookeeping.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Thursday, 2 March 2006 16:55 (eighteen years ago) link

the title of this thread reminds me of every Newsweek cover headline ever

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 2 March 2006 17:00 (eighteen years ago) link

oh, and Happy Birthday Ned.

Thanks!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 2 March 2006 17:00 (eighteen years ago) link

"No one will put out a new magazine that is fun to read because everyone under the age of 20 knows that reading is no fun."

Even though I'm biased, I really do think Decibel is the best music mag being made in the U.S. But genre mags don't have to play by the same rules as normal mags. they can assume that people know a little bit about the subject and don't have to spoon feed. I still think someone could do this with a music mag aimed at a general audience. write intelligently and with a sense of humor and not play dumb. i really think people would be appreciative. spin started out that way.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 2 March 2006 17:05 (eighteen years ago) link

I would say the case is made by the fact that Andy Pemberton is the replacement meant to change the product, don.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, 2 March 2006 17:12 (eighteen years ago) link

"When Andy Pemberton came to New York in 2001 to help launch Dennis Publishing’s new music mag, Blender, he says he felt that the music mags on the market were tired and arduous. He couldn’t understand how music writers could take something that he thought was “the most fun thing” and make it tedious."


scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 2 March 2006 17:16 (eighteen years ago) link

cuz music writers are in charge of what gets printed, in case you didn't know.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 2 March 2006 17:17 (eighteen years ago) link

We like the post-Colonial electronica that goes boom.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, 2 March 2006 17:18 (eighteen years ago) link

this is completely confusing:


"There's a new music magazine, Tracks, which is marketed to an older listening audience. Does this magazine affect you?
It is a totally different audience; however, we do cover album reissues. Before us, no other magazines did that. We like to maintain a wider presence, but I think that it would also be a good idea to do a Mojo-like magazine in America."

Is he really saying that Blender was the first magazine to review reissues? Why would he say that?

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 2 March 2006 17:26 (eighteen years ago) link

according to their own publisher's statement, spin's newsstand price was 94 cents in second half of last year. is that right?

(second half 05 newsstand sales: rs - 129k, blender 82k, spin 52k)

dan (dan), Thursday, 2 March 2006 17:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Were there an ILM: The Magazine, I would want to do the Sassy-style puff pieces on famous celebrities: "Patricia Churchland...Tab or Fresca?"

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Thursday, 2 March 2006 18:51 (eighteen years ago) link

That would be fantastic.

My Psychic Friends Are Strangely Silent (Ex Leon), Thursday, 2 March 2006 19:20 (eighteen years ago) link

like i said upthread, the black metal dudes would get their own corner

latebloomer: where dignity goes to die (latebloomer), Thursday, 2 March 2006 20:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Like, corner of the office, or corner of the magazine?

Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 2 March 2006 20:30 (eighteen years ago) link

It is laughably ridiculous that you continue to ridicule black metal untrendy tr00 believers such as myself, Vas and Sami, usw, like this. As if we would want a corner of the Spin, do me a break. Should we write little pop articles for girls? What I am hearing is absurd! Let me know anyone if you would like me to YSI their new demo.

Janne Karlsson, Thursday, 2 March 2006 20:40 (eighteen years ago) link


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