Transport in London is shit

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i don't buy a monthly travel card!

but i only really use buses and not even daily -- i reckon so far i am up on the deal by some way though given the fierceness w.which they are policin the bendies now this will probbly have to change :(

mark s (mark s), Monday, 13 February 2006 23:00 (8 years ago) Permalink

Is it not, possibly, slightly contradictory to demand more people manning tube/rail stations and to complain about fares being too expensive?

theantmustdance (theantmustdance), Monday, 13 February 2006 23:03 (8 years ago) Permalink

No, I think that's sensible - at least sorting out the ridiculous cost of travelleling by rail across the UK.

I still have trouble understanding why/how Virgin charge £75 return to Manchester (with other return options reaching over £400) when you can fly several times the distance for half the price. And why does it take twice as long coming back? Can trains not tilt southbound?

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Monday, 13 February 2006 23:04 (8 years ago) Permalink

i don't buy a monthly travel card!

we all know you arrived here just a few days ago from Kabul. the game's up, sonny chief.

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Monday, 13 February 2006 23:04 (8 years ago) Permalink

I've not had any bad experiences travelling through and around London for a while now. I don't use the trains much but when I do they look and feel new, clean and seem to run fine. I am even cool with the Bendies, but only when they're quiet and you can get one of those big comfy seats (must face forward though).

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Monday, 13 February 2006 23:07 (8 years ago) Permalink

The trains are really good, the tube is depressing.

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 13 February 2006 23:12 (8 years ago) Permalink

Is it not, possibly, slightly contradictory to demand more people manning tube/rail stations and to complain about fares being too expensive?

I don't know about the tube, but the rail companies apparently make over £100m profit a year in London, and the cost for providing staff is estimated to be between £2m to £4m a year.

Bob Six (bobbysix), Monday, 13 February 2006 23:14 (8 years ago) Permalink

T/S: Nationalisation vs. Privatisation

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Monday, 13 February 2006 23:15 (8 years ago) Permalink

Actually, we must have done that thread already...

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Monday, 13 February 2006 23:15 (8 years ago) Permalink

those big comfy seats

I don't find them comfortable in the slightest. They seem much harder than the seats on most other buses * and, into the bargain, the poor suspension on those vehicles gives a very bumpy ride in my experience.

* the notable exceptions to this that I've found are a few of the buses used on the 341 route which have purple seats with ridiculously thin upholstery; but these are not to be confused with some others on the same route which also have purple seats but which are wonderfully comfortable.

Oak (small items), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 00:18 (8 years ago) Permalink

the tube is depressing

Very true. Resolving as I did about 4 years ago not to travel on it any more was one of the best decisions I have ever made, in a number of ways.

Oak (small items), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 00:22 (8 years ago) Permalink

Flights, to anywhere in europe should never be CHEAPER than a rail ticket, advance or not.

fandango (fandango), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 00:27 (8 years ago) Permalink

Rotgutt (Rotgutt), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 01:38 (8 years ago) Permalink

No, pet. Transport in Los Angeles is shit. There is none to speak of. Come try it and see if you don't agree. If you don't have a car you're sk-rewed. If you DO have a car you're sk-rewed too since there are too many cars and not enough roads and freeways to move millions of cars holding ONE person per car. London transport rocks, comparitively. Off your thread topic, but lending my own obnoxious perspective - welcome or not.

Wiggy (Wiggy), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 01:53 (8 years ago) Permalink

Transport in London is LOTS better than transport in New York.

Is this actually true? I'd always thought received wisdom said the exact opposite.

Public transport in London is good, but wasn't really designed to serve a city that's growing this fast - seems to be where all the problems stem from.

Oak - are you the person I think you are? Something rings familiar here.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 09:15 (8 years ago) Permalink

transport in london (on the tube) is expensive.

The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 09:18 (8 years ago) Permalink

My personal experiences weigh towards London being a little better than NYC.. on the other hand, I didn't need to get from one neighborhood to another after midnight in London... The "after midnight" factor makes the difference here, I think.

Dom iNut (donut), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 09:19 (8 years ago) Permalink

transport in london is great*

*maybe not if you use the northern line

kings cross - south wimbledon, last thursday, circa midnight = 100 minutes

but yeah, mostly its good. 24 hour tubes would be nice.

i am not a nugget (stevie), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 09:24 (8 years ago) Permalink

anyone who thinks London's transport system is bad has obviously never witnessed the sheer horror of transport outside of the M25.

outside london you can, you know, walk or cycle places.

The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 09:26 (8 years ago) Permalink

how much is a monthly travelcard anyway?

The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 09:44 (8 years ago) Permalink

outside london you can, you know, walk or cycle places.

you can do those things inside london too, you know.

i am not a nugget (stevie), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 09:48 (8 years ago) Permalink

death wish

The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 09:50 (8 years ago) Permalink

the cost for providing staff is estimated to be between £2m to £4m a year

Eh? How many people do you reckon they employ?

James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 10:06 (8 years ago) Permalink

trains between countries in europe are always more expensive than flying! eg london > barcelona - train - 180 euros, plane 110 euros.

i cant see train travel getting much cheaper as a result of competition from air travel. maybe we should read my friends dissertation about rail/air competition for business travel between leeds and london. isnt the problem partly that franchising to an extent creates kinda flabby uncompetitive practice, where profits can be made in relative safety from predatory activity, if there isnt strong enough contractual arrnagements or tight enough regulation on the performance of the franchisee?

eg "we award you this contract but will continue to allow you to increase fares/reduce penalties for poor performance, and you can do this for the next 10 years" as opposed to "you have a guaranteed revenue stream for the next 10 years but oyu must ensure to do X Y Z and not do P Q and S"?

i dont really know anything about this anyways.

i guess in a sense i dont really compare london to other cities in europe so that gives me a warped sense of how good transport is in comparison to other UK CITIES (dear sirz, outside of london there are population sizes larger than Basildon, Letchworth, and Chorlton-cum-Hardy). but then again what other european cities are comparable? how does paris do? it might be hyperbole but what euro cities are comparable in terms of geograpohic spread, density of developemnt, population etc etc?

moscow was pretty awesome but they run everything on vodka there, or something. actually it was sort of shit outside the metro, but it depends what your criteria for "good public transport" are

ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 10:09 (8 years ago) Permalink

paris is a lot smaller than london, it's true. for me it's all about money. £2.50 for a tube journey is fucked.

The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 10:13 (8 years ago) Permalink

The prices are ridiculous, thanks a lot Ken Fucking Livingstone

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 10:15 (8 years ago) Permalink

I thought the subway in New York was more confusing (all that fast train / slow train business, and the lines don't have nice names like Victoria and Piccadilly) but much, much cheaper - about a third of the cost.

When it comes to the 'after midnight' bit, in London that usually means walking through the rain then freezing at a bus stop for half an hour then sitting on a very slow nightbus full of nutters, or paying twenty-five quid to a random ex-convict with a 'taxi' who'll drive you home (eventually, after getting lost) while spouting reactionary nonsense at you the whole way. In New York there seem to be five yellow taxis waiting for you immediately at any time, they don't cost much, and with the grid system they don't get lost.

Tehrannosaurus HoBB (the pirate king), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 10:16 (8 years ago) Permalink

The bus service is great, but they're (now) far too expensive too

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 10:18 (8 years ago) Permalink

It's not perfect, but Wiggy is right, compared to LA it's the best transport system ever. I thought it was about the same as NYC although it is more expensive. The buses have got a lot better in recent years, and I think CCTV has made night buses a bit safer, at least I never see any trouble on them these days.

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 10:26 (8 years ago) Permalink

lol lol lol!!!!!

again, its hard not to laugh when you are subject to the whims of a properly deregulated market outside of london. First Groups bus fares went up 4 times in a year in s yorks, now its 1.50 a single on first buses. still 1.20/30 in london?

as for tube fares, what is expensive about a 2.50 tube fare? in comparison to previous prices? or are you assessing the cost of labour, infrastructure, distance travelled etc etc and concluding that it is overpriced?

ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 10:30 (8 years ago) Permalink

as for tube fares, what is expensive about a 2.50 tube fare? in comparison to previous prices? or are you assessing the cost of labour, infrastructure, distance travelled etc etc and concluding that it is overpriced?

-- ambrose (ambrosewhit...), February 14th, 2006.

what's expensive is, it's expensive! let someone else do the math. but yes 'distance travelled' being about 2-3 miles, it does seem out of proportion.

The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 10:33 (8 years ago) Permalink

I've never seen any trouble on a bus in London ever. If you think night buses in London are dodgy, you should have tried spending most of your adolescent Friday and Saturday nights getting the night bus from Glasgow to Paisley at George Square.

still 1.20/30 in london?

It's now £1.50. Considering that, what 4 years ago(?), local journeys were 70p, I'd say that is somewhat above the rate of inflation.

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 10:33 (8 years ago) Permalink

are you assessing the cost of labour, infrastructure, distance travelled etc etc and concluding that it is overpriced?

another factor to consider might be the *vast fucking profits* made by the operator too?

The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 10:34 (8 years ago) Permalink

But Londoners moaning about having the best transport system in Britain is a bit boring, I agree

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 10:35 (8 years ago) Permalink

but maybe justified on a thread of this name?

The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 10:36 (8 years ago) Permalink

It would tend to encourage that response

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 10:38 (8 years ago) Permalink

How does one get to this 'outside London'? Are you talking about the end of the Central Line or that Zone B nonsense at the end of the Metropolitan Line?

Bendy Bus 38 on diversion Saturday. Confused the hell out of me. KEN OUT! etc.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 10:41 (8 years ago) Permalink

It's now £1.50. Considering that, what 4 years ago(?), local journeys were 70p, I'd say that is somewhat above the rate of inflation.

But 80p on Oyster or Carnet.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 10:42 (8 years ago) Permalink

... and what if you don't use public transport every day? If you're unemployed or an OAP (do they get concessions)?

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 10:42 (8 years ago) Permalink

my oyster seems to subtract £1 on the bus. must ask tfl.

The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 10:43 (8 years ago) Permalink

... or a part time worker?

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 10:43 (8 years ago) Permalink

I just think it's a fucking crime the amount of money commuters are expected to pay. If I worked in London, it would cost me around about £16-£25 to travel a few miles from Hitchin into the capital every single day. This might just about be justified if the service was fast and efficient. However I abject to the fact that these people are swiping up to a third of commuters' wages for the privilege of standing* with some guy's armpit in their face and being *ahem* "whisked" along at a comparatively laconic rate over a very short distance. And that's if your train actually turns up**, or if the elusively crap ticket machine decides to give you a ticket as opposed to swallowing your cash card.
Why exactly does it cost so much just to traverse a small area of this tiny island? Why is it so unreliable? Why are there so few trains? Why, if I'm out in London, am I stranded if I decide to stay out after midnight? Why are the staff so rude all the time? Why don't they have a ticket barrier that stops people dodging fares? Why don't the ticket machines ever work? Why is there never more than one person selling tickets at a time? Why are the trains so slow?
Tear it down and start again, I reckon. Antiquated bollocks run by a bunch of retarded money-grubbing jerks.

*or sitting down on the floor where they get kicked
** for many people, they won't know their train isn't coming until several minutes after the fact since all the video terminals are fucked

Vintage Latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 10:44 (8 years ago) Permalink

£1 between 7:30am and 9:30am

OAPs get freedom passes and their are concessionary fares for Jobseekers/New Deal

Not having an oyster of some sort is foolish

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 10:44 (8 years ago) Permalink

Concessionary fares for Jobseekers/New Deal? Are you sure?

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 10:46 (8 years ago) Permalink

I rode the new DLR extension to George V t'other day. I love the DLR. I like the look of the new 'Millennium' park by the Thames Barrier.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 10:46 (8 years ago) Permalink

that's fkn typical that the fares are 20p higher *when you're most likely to us it*. it makes the 80p claim a load of old toss.

The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 11:01 (8 years ago) Permalink

>> Concessionary fares for Jobseekers/New Deal? Are you sure?

I never heard of this when I was signing on, but that was a couple of years ago.

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 11:01 (8 years ago) Permalink

I think you gradually become immune. It's every bit as shit as before, but I'm just another cockneyfied zombie now.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 11:01 (8 years ago) Permalink

I don't have a monthly Travelcard - I did for a few years but I figured with the monotony of my public transport usage (and tending towards going out in the car at weekends) I wasn't getting my money's worth, so I switched to Oyster Pre-Pay. Inbetween I had a spell of Bus Pass + Pre-Pay top-up, which worked nicely for the occasional Tube journey.

Now I just get the X68 both ways (long walk at the Zone 1 end, but I probably need it) and tend to spend around £30-35/month. (Z1-3 Travelcard is £100/mo, Z1-2 is £85/mo [would allow me to use buses outside Z2 but not rail], All Zone Bus Pass is £52/mo).

The capping of Oyster Pre-Pay so that you never pay more than an equivalent daily Travelcard or Bus Pass if you find yrself bus- and Tube-hopping is a nice feature. Now, if they'd just install Oystercard readers at SE London surburban rail stations...

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 11:03 (8 years ago) Permalink

laws that make striking illegal and drive discussions towards independent arbitration and make sure people aren't put at risk during the discussions

I kind of had your back upthread when it seemed like you were getting piled on, but this is a bit rich - do you really think that laws like this are put in place to help vulnerable people?

Making striking illegal is simply stacking the deck in favour of management by taking away one of the most potent weapons available to unionised workers. I definitely feel for you and anyone who has difficult personal circumstances made more difficult by strike action, but if you think making this action illegal is a satisfactory solution then I think you're dead wrong.

Blandford Forum, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 14:32 (3 months ago) Permalink

Strikes should never be illegal imo

A frenzied geologist (Tom D.), Wednesday, 30 April 2014 14:34 (3 months ago) Permalink

I understand this semi-reluctant pile-on and side with the semi-reluctant pilers-on but Branwell Bluebell you take it far dictating who can and cannot grumble and in what capacity

conrad, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 14:37 (3 months ago) Permalink

Strikes should never be illegal, but more should be done to make them less like to happen. However, we don't need Taylor Law, we need Mitbestimmung.

Grandpont Genie, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 14:40 (3 months ago) Permalink

I'm not saying who can and cannot grumble (I should be so lucky to have that power!) but more... be aware of the cultural mores behind people's behaviour.

There is a distinctly British way to say "well, that was shit, but we got through it, for the sake of the greater good" which will be accepted and even encouraged, but if you come in a thread like this and say "well, that was shit but you should be more like NYC, where we just made striking illegal, so this couldn't happen!" you are very rightly going to get a kicking. Now I leave you to it.

Branwell Bluebell (Branwell Bell), Wednesday, 30 April 2014 14:54 (3 months ago) Permalink

cheerio

conrad, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 15:00 (3 months ago) Permalink

"I'm new here, help me understand why strikes aren't illegal, like they are in NYC" vs "I been here 12 years, when do I get to consider myself local?" is really kinda disingenuous a bait and switch.

Branwell Bluebell (Branwell Bell), Wednesday, 30 April 2014 15:04 (3 months ago) Permalink

cf. "I'm out of here" vs. "back for another dig"

conrad, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 15:11 (3 months ago) Permalink

really kinda disingenuous a bait and switch.

This following you know what else doesn't happen in NYC? People getting their cancer treated, for free, by the state. is pretty rich

do you really think that laws like this are put in place to help vulnerable people?

No, I definitely don't think that, and I didn't mean to phrase it like I did think that - I did mean that they DO help vulnerable people, in the sense that they eliminate a scenario where a sick person can't get to the hospital using public transport while employment discussions are happening.

you should be more like NYC, where we just made striking illegal,

Transit striking has been illegal in NYC since the late '60s

cf. "I'm out of here" vs. "back for another dig"

I'm not out for digs! But I also couldn't bail after Also much easier to believe you are the only person in the world who matters than consider the people who provide you services also deserve to be treated like human beings., which is a super fucked up thing to accuse somebody of when you don't know anything about what they're going through. And when it really does misrepresent what I've been saying entirely.

Also, on your part, you could have (or maybe could still?) organized patients from your hospital and their families and supporters and taken signatures/requested a meeting/appeared at a gathering of the striking organization to outline the mutual benefit of an agreement that reduces your suffering while increasing support for their cause.

I like this idea (incredibly ambitious for anyone dealing with something like heavy medical treatment, where getting out of the house is an achievement, but it's a very good thought. Charing Cross hospital has a cancer support center called Maggie's where these sorts of ideas are discussed and could theoretically be enacted). I wonder how it would be received by the striking organization? It seems like here people think I've meant to say that because I think sick people shouldn't have to deal with what a strike means that I don't think the strikers' concerns are valid, which isn't the case.

Walter Galt, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 16:49 (3 months ago) Permalink

my cf. was not directed at you Walter Galt but Branwell Bluebell

conrad, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 19:18 (3 months ago) Permalink

Perfectly possible to sympathise with strikers' concerns and think that strikes shouldn't be allowed to happen, which is ultimately what you're trying to say... isn't it?

xp

tsrobodo, Thursday, 1 May 2014 01:20 (3 months ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Any sympathy for the taxi drivers' action in Central London today?

Comfrey Mugwort (Bob Six), Wednesday, 11 June 2014 13:37 (2 months ago) Permalink

lol, uber is having its biggest sign-up day in two years, up 850% on last week

which, duh, so many people probably hadn't even heard of uber before this and i don't think anyone has loyalty to cabbies per se

lex pretend, Wednesday, 11 June 2014 13:42 (2 months ago) Permalink

i mean, i've had good cab experiences and bad cab experiences but when the bad ones involve homophobia or racism or just plain ol ripping you off massively, it's hard to really go to bat for them when a better service exists

lex pretend, Wednesday, 11 June 2014 13:43 (2 months ago) Permalink

(nb: i have never used uber! because am not in the habit of taking cabs regularly. i am def going to at least investigate it now though)

lex pretend, Wednesday, 11 June 2014 13:44 (2 months ago) Permalink

I have a moderate amount of sympathy for them. The rules on metered cabs might be outdated but the suggested that Uber don't provide metered cabs because the devices used as a meter (smartphones) aren't physically attached to the cab seems fairly absurd. Either change the rules or enforce them properly.

Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Wednesday, 11 June 2014 14:00 (2 months ago) Permalink

are the vehicles/drivers on uber regulated with regard to safety, etc, in any way?

it definitely wasn't designed to be a pants pocket player (stevie), Wednesday, 11 June 2014 14:07 (2 months ago) Permalink

jfc

it definitely wasn't designed to be a pants pocket player (stevie), Wednesday, 11 June 2014 14:33 (2 months ago) Permalink

i mean, i've had some sketchy cabbies and ridden in some shakey jalopies in my time, but this seems a recipe for disaster. but i guess its an app that goes on yr smartphone and it saves someone money, so...

it definitely wasn't designed to be a pants pocket player (stevie), Wednesday, 11 June 2014 14:35 (2 months ago) Permalink

Just went to the shops and passed a gazillion cabbies stopped in traffic, out of their cabs and chatting to pedestrians about their Uber beef. Which I don't blame them for having, actually - nobody likes being undercut by tax-sheltering scum, do they, writers?

show me new tweets (suzy), Wednesday, 11 June 2014 14:49 (2 months ago) Permalink

exactly, suzy.

it definitely wasn't designed to be a pants pocket player (stevie), Wednesday, 11 June 2014 14:52 (2 months ago) Permalink

Other topics: dodgy rapey Uber drivers in the States; French cabbies protesting who won't take any shit from anyone, hooray for them; Boris Johnson, useful idiot; in short, I managed to talk to five bald gorblimey dudes for 10 minutes and UKIP didn't come up once.

show me new tweets (suzy), Wednesday, 11 June 2014 14:56 (2 months ago) Permalink

i've had the occasional racist/sexist/homophobic cab driver before, i'm guessing there will also be racist/sexist/homophobic uber drivers?

i've also had lovely cab drivers who went out of their way to take care of our welfare. and that one insane dude who explained to me over the course of a half-hour ride that all michael jackson needed was a dude who would be his real friend and not care about his fame, and how this nutty cab driver was the guy to be that friend.

it definitely wasn't designed to be a pants pocket player (stevie), Wednesday, 11 June 2014 15:09 (2 months ago) Permalink

My transport difficulties & frustrations are well documented in this thread, but in my experience over the last year I was splitting cab fares between Uber and Hailo (another app that calls exclusively black cabs) for a while, and while Uber was almost always cheaper, the black cabs were incredibly nice and helpful 9 out of 10 times (funnily enough I *did* get a big UKIP speech during the last one, but the same guy helped us in and out of the car and up to the front door with our stuff!)

Minor note I suppose but SO many Uber cabs stank of either cigarettes or cheap cologne, which is a fuckin' drag when you're going back and forth to a hospital and feeling exhausted and generally sensitive to that kind of environmental stuff

Walter Galt, Wednesday, 11 June 2014 16:38 (2 months ago) Permalink

cabbie update, both uncharacteristic: fantastic (private) taxi driver taking me to the airport. massive rasta, stressed the importance of considerate driving, had been working nights for 20 years cos he preferred it. felt black cab guild was frequently a protection for poor driving and high prices (he said he'd had his can written off three times by drivers jumping red lights). said police also helped protect poor black cab behaviour. was taking with a pinch of salt, but he was fairly measured.

and then cab driver in glasgow today who was a massive lefty. we strongly agreed given the current government some sort of revolution was long overdue on the trip and he was heavily and articulately critical of the financification of culture.

Fizzles, Thursday, 12 June 2014 19:09 (2 months ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

transport in london is in the process of making me late for a wedding. never seen that much or suburban nw london before & wish I wasnt starting now

ogmor, Saturday, 26 July 2014 12:26 (1 month ago) Permalink

transport in london is shit at the weekend for the forseeable

a biscuit/donut hybrid called “bisnuts” (stevie), Saturday, 26 July 2014 20:45 (1 month ago) Permalink

Those cutesy cartoon poem things on the tube telling you to remember to drink fucking water or whatever may be the worst things done by humans ever.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 4 August 2014 07:43 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

the '30s/Max Fleischer style cartoons? really horrible. and London Underground generally has a reputation for inventiveness and quality around their public information creative work.

the premise for these is unfathomable.

Fizzles, Monday, 4 August 2014 07:55 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

they wouldn't bother me except the lines of the poems never seem to scan

sktsh, Monday, 4 August 2014 09:10 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

i just assumed lots of bacon hipsters injured themselves commuting last year

r|t|c, Monday, 4 August 2014 10:50 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

hey wouldn't bother me except the lines of the poems never seem to scan

― sktsh

They don't! And they could be made to really easily. So annoying.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 4 August 2014 16:04 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

in china they like
to eat duck, 'n' trotter
so remember
to drink fucking water

^ 諷刺 (ken c), Monday, 4 August 2014 17:14 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

it's quite hard!!

^ 諷刺 (ken c), Monday, 4 August 2014 17:14 (3 weeks ago) Permalink


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