Mystery Science Theater 3000: C/D, S/D.

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That's one of the reasons I could never get into any of the MST3K fan discussions/forums online, they all seem to suffer from this irrational hatred of Mike. It's so silly and pedantic. What's so wrong with liking Joel and Mike?

Nicole, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Why do you say the movie should not have been made, Mike?

Josh, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

For one, the movie didn't make any money, partly because Gramercy concentrated its promotional efforts on the Pamela Anderson vehicle Barb-Wire, which ended up belly-flopping anyway. Plus, I got this impression from some recent interview with a member of Best Brains (can't remember where I saw this) that they all ended up regretting ever making the thing in the first place. The whole process was too arduous and distracting and they had to deal with all the asshole suits who prided themselves on having a certain level of hepness, yet told BB to take out a joke about Bootsy Collins because they didn't know who was.

Michael Daddino, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The other weird indulgence of the AOL MSTies was the tongue-lashing Sampo, a.k.a. Chris Cornell (the guy, not the Soundgarden guy), recieved on a regular basis. People seemed real irritated at the fact that he assumed the role of King of All MSTies rather quickly, and I attribute that to minor professional jealousy and peevishness over his pro-Mike stance, all caught in a spiral of ever-amplifying regicidal loathing that you often see online. (Sampo's sometime pomposity didn't help either.) Pettiness a go-go.

Michael Daddino, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

dude, fuck all that. after joel left the show totally went to shit. joel really wanted to create a feeling with story /characters and consistancy. mike was just a hired writer. i think i read someone saying in another thread "after a while if felt like the ones running the show just didnt get 'it' "

chaki, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

As so many of us are such pynchon junkies, here's a great mst3k & pynchon link.

i is brit and loving the mst3k. it can grate if you're not in the right mood, but fuck that for a game of toy soldiers. I also liked the film (riffing on This Island Earth -- fave bit is when the alien is explaining about the fate of his planet "a-huh, yeah, yup... got ya... a-huh"

Alan Trewartha, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

In point of fact, Mike wasn't merely a "hired writer": as early as the second season, he was the Head Writer. Since MST3K was always a group effort, I think it's difficult to pinpoint one person who was responsible for any particular characteristic of the show. (Two obvious exceptions, of course, are the whole Gizmonics Institute business and the idea for the Invention Exchange.) So he may share some responsibility with Joel H. for creating the rather paternal relationship between Joel R. & the 'bots -- a relationship which, for obvious reasons, would be altered once Mike replaced Joel R. the SOL.

Michael Daddino, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The funniest episode of MST3K I've ever seen is a Gammora movie that we watched on KTMA backstage during a high school show choir competition. I can't remember the name of the movie, but the bad monster was a giant gumball machine and the episode contained one of my favorite riffs ever (7-YEAR-OLD GIRL: I love you, Gamora! CROW: Keep your shirt on, honey.). Most of the others I've seen have come from the Sci-Fi years, but "Manos" is definitely classic. I will also put in a vote for "Overdrawn At The Memory Bank" if only because it's fun to watch Raul Julia in something embarrassing, plus "Squirm" and "The Final Sacrifice".

Dan Perry, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I loved Overdrawn At The Memory Bank as a child. I believe I still have a video on it somewhere doubling up with Max Headroom.

Pete, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Ah, the AOL MSTie days. Got my first stalker out of that bunch.

Anyway, I adored the show. Was a staunch Mike defender in the Mike v. Joel days, now I'm not so sure. Favorite bit (of all time): "Are You Happy In Your Work?"

Colin Meeder, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

What the fuck are you doing here, Colin? :)

Michael Daddino, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Dan -- you saw a KTMA on the air? I envy and worship you, my liege.

Colin -- yeah, I remember you were, but the stalking? No, not that.

The boards also attracted a number of true mental cases, most unforgettably KeijiKJ. He was similar to Gondola Blob in that he indulged in casebook net.kook behavior: delusions of professionalism, snottily dismissive of any random thing, threw around the word "clique" a lot. I've even heard stories that he scared the bejesus out of BB members during the first con. I personally had a thoroughly pointless argument with him about the population of the cities in California.

Concerning Mike, I'll say this: there are quite a few times during the Sci-Fi-era when he seemed to be sending out his performance via Fed Ex. Sad, because it was clear after CC he was capable of much better. But you know, a lot of the Sci-Fi-era episodes that initially seemed kinda minor and kinda eh to me now strike me as being thoroughly solid.

Michael Daddino, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

That was my first exposure to MST3K. I had no idea that it was going to become so huge; I only thought that snarky Minnesotans would find it funny!

Dan Perry, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Well, you're lucky and we hate you. There. ;-)

I'm waiting on Mike's next collection of essays and novel myself. The Megacheese collection was a scream.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Michael: With you and Dave R. here, it was simply a matter of time.

Stalking resulted from an unfortunate IRL encounter with a nice enough person. I thought it was a lovely afternoon, she thought it was TRUE LOVE FOREVER. Eek. The story resolved harmlessly enough -- she found TRUE LOVE FOREVER again with another MSTie, and this time it was returned.

Colin Meeder, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

What the hell do I have to do with anything, Mr. Meeder? I've never seen you before in my life! (Weren't you supposed to get me a job?)

MST3K was never that big a part of my life - I watched it sporadically, and I always seemed to be in the wrong state of mind to truly enjoy it. I'll side with the Joel phreex, though, just because bald is sexy. (I'm getting sexier by the minute.)

David Raposa, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

DR: I'll side with the Joel phreex, though, just because bald is sexy. (I'm getting sexier by the minute.)

But wasn't Mike balder than Joel? I'm confused. No matter. I'm balder than both, and I agree with David.

Brian MacDonald, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I'm watching Rocketship X-M right now and it looks as if Joel is balder than Mike. I agree wholeheartedly that BALD(ING) = SEXXXY (my real and imaginary boyfriends are testament to this) but Joel really isn't bald enough to be sexy-bald.

Michael Daddino, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

grr, watch it daddino.

ethan, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Le huh?

Michael Daddino, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Let me second Ned's Mike Nelson's Movie Megacheese rec. Even if you don't like or are not familiar with MST3K it is an extrodinarily funny take on a lot of overblown movies of the 80s and 90s.

Nicole, Tuesday, 15 January 2002 01:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Had you gotten that job I mentioned, David, you'd have been laid off about five months ago. So I did you a favor by being a hopeless slacker.

I think that my slight preference for Joel has something to do with a sense that the guy's a bit . . . off, where Mike is merely charming and funny.

Colin Meeder, Tuesday, 15 January 2002 01:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Merely? I wouldn't go that far, though he certainly projects more immediate affability. But every so often he comes out with something or takes on a role that makes you a bit nervous. Thus, when he wigged out about his old temp job in one episode, and in Time Chasers where he played his drunk angry brother or cousin, I forget which. Sure, it's a role, but he inhabited them rather well. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 15 January 2002 01:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Sampo once remarked that in interview, one can sense that there's something very dark and private about Mike just percolating below the surface, and that's colored my impression of him ever since. One thing to remember: "I suffer from excruciating headaches that dozens of neurologists have tried unsuccessfully to treat. I think I might be possessed."

Michael Daddino, Tuesday, 15 January 2002 01:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I appreciate the fact that both Mike and Bridget are very private about their home life, but from the sound of it from some of Bridget's comments it's a very happy family, lots of singing and nuttiness and fun with their kids. A good reminder that the show was, after all, just a performance.

But yes, Mike has the angst in there somewhere. He just tempers it very beautifully -- thus his legendary turn as Morrissey.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 15 January 2002 01:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Fair enough -- Mike probably *is* a churning cauldren of angst. But I think he (and his rage) are probrably more based in reality, where Joel strikes me as more otherworldly. Which I prefer (slightly, only ever so slightly) in humor.

Colin Meeder, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
Oh, about time for a revival (thanks in part to a recent link from Mike D.). Actually, there were a number of episodes I didn't have, mostly from the sixth season, but my Seattle trip has given me the chance to dub a lot of those from Brian's collection, yay me. Plus I finally have Daddy-O and Fugitive Alien, that took long enough!

To add to the book recommendations -- Mike N.'s general essay book Mind Over Matters is another fine read (the TV essay alone is some kinda genius, the mock 19th century novel even more so), while I very much liked Kevin Murphy's A Year at the Movies. Chris Piuma mentioned he felt it was fairly Joe Queenan-like and therefore not as distinct as it could be, but I think it was handled very well and worked as both microstudy of the moviegoing experience and general reflection. Certainly any of the ILF/film-going hounds on this board should consider reading/borrowing a copy, at least. Then there's Mike's new novel Death Rat, which I really need to order next month...

And praise to all the other castmembers doing things and the continual rolling out of more DVDs, though apparently Rhino says they've exhausted what they have the rights to right now and are looking into securing more, hopefully...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:08 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

...although a quick check of the SatNews link sez there's some sort of further DVD thing coming out later this year, hm! Good thing to know. Also, anyone in Minneapolis can go to a writing workshop taught by Mary Jo Pehl next month, which I think would be great (I'm an unabashed fan of hers but she seems to really grate for a lot of MSTies...).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:11 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

is this ever shown in the UK?

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:12 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

It may still be on the Sci-Fi Channel UK, but your best bet is to go on S0ulS33k and download entire episodes (which are about 700MB a pop, FWIW).

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:16 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I've never come across it here, Mark - but I have never had the Sci-Fi Channel.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:21 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

It was certainly on (late night) on the Sci-Fi channel a couple of years ago.

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:24 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Michael, I kiss you! I had no idea there were mst3k episodes on soulseek.

Nicole (Nicole), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:34 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Yeah, that sounds great, rah Mike! Nicole, I might be able to help with dubbing too though I still need a second VCR, but also please drop me a line about another possible source...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:52 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

FYI, Best Brains Inc. has its own little shop with some non-Rhino treasures. I highly recommend "Mr. B's Lost Shorts" which has the hands-down best short, "Mr. B Natural" - you know, the one with the ridiculously perky, questionably-gendered Neverland shill for Conn brass instruments.

"Bad touch."
"Does this mean I like guys now?"
"I feel ill."
"Spanking time!"

Ernest P. (ernestp), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:58 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

It is a thing of beauty, that particular short. And chilling horror. Yeah, there are two short comps that are on DVD, but neither contain that gem. It's possible this thing Rhino is promising is some sort of basement-clearing compilation of all the various video oddities that have surfaced from Best Brains -- the second Poopie tape (the first is a DVD bonus with Manos, the scrapbook, more shorts like that, etc. But we'll see, I guess! (My other irrational hope is a full-on special edition of the movie...)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 25 May 2003 16:02 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Michael, I kiss you! I had no idea there were mst3k episodes on soulseek.

Keep in mind that the fidelity on these files is sometimes suprisingly good considering the size, and sometimes fairly bad, but even the worst files usually have more than enough detail for a person to get what's going on.

I'm hoping the DVD is a Santa Claus vs. The Martians/Santa Claus double fun pak. It is going to come out late 2003, after all.

Later I may want to say something about MST3K in light of Mark's venting on Zappa, but right now I want to go to Central Park and maybe the Malevich exhibit before it starts raining (again).

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 25 May 2003 16:33 (thirteen years ago) Permalink



Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 25 May 2003 19:29 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

the tuba is like a fat jolly king! knew your father I did!

This show got me through middle school.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 25 May 2003 19:31 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Live fast, die young, leave a fat, bloated, ugly corpse.

luna (luna.c), Sunday, 25 May 2003 19:38 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"That squares my breasts!"

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Sunday, 25 May 2003 20:40 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I've only seen about four episodes of MST3K, but "Mr. B Natural" has got to be one of the funniest shorts ever! "We're white, we're white, we're really, really white..." I obv need to get a-downloadin on this show.

Vinnie (vprabhu), Sunday, 25 May 2003 23:19 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

It is good to see the newer folks here who have the love. :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 26 May 2003 00:08 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I've only seen a couple but I didn't get the point. Why not just rent the original B-movies and come up with your own sarcastic comments?

sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 26 May 2003 00:32 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Well...that is the point, kinda. The AOL MSTies used to monkey-pile together in a chat room, and riff like mad to cable TV movies or rented VHS tapes. I remember Congo and A Star Is Born being particularly good for that.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 26 May 2003 00:48 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I have no TV. I have no VCR. But I do have about 40 tapes of MST3K, well over 100 episodes, mostly Seasons 2-7, with a few 1s and KTMAs.

Chris P (Chris P), Monday, 26 May 2003 00:52 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I'll admit mst3ks were like bad movies with training wheels for me (and yeah, I love watching b-movies with friends now), but the best episodes still leave me crying.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 26 May 2003 01:09 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Hard core MST3K-ites with lots of bandwidth should check out the Digital Archive Project which is where I'm getting most of my episodes from.

Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Monday, 26 May 2003 06:09 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

blimey chris, that site's enough to make a young man run out and get broadband and a huge eff-off new harddrive...

(current space on home PC C-Drive abt 700meg, it are old and small)

CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Monday, 26 May 2003 10:11 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

did I mention that I saw them live w/Joel at the Uptown Theater, one of the TWO PERFORMANCES EVER w/him? well I did < /gloat>

"Santa Claus, you're coming with us!"
"You're coming to town."

M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 26 May 2003 14:15 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

And the final streaming episode in this week's telethon as such is Mitchell which I think is rather...telling.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 11 December 2015 23:34 (ten months ago) Permalink

Anyway, so while we wait and/or dread, some other news:

Cardoza produced/appeared in The Coleman Francis Trilogy (if you will) as well as The Hellcats. Didn't even realize he was still with us!

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 23 December 2015 04:30 (ten months ago) Permalink

Thing I just learned: Robot Holocaust was directed (under the name Tim Kincaid) by gay porn auteur and current Hateful 8 character namesake Joe Gage.

Bitch I'm in the 2112 (cryptosicko), Wednesday, 23 December 2015 16:05 (ten months ago) Permalink

Now there's a detail.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 December 2015 03:26 (ten months ago) Permalink

one month passes...


Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 20:57 (eight months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

And now...a different Kickstarter and a different revival, as it were.

Yes, a Mystery Science Theater 3000 reunion broadcast to hundreds of movie theaters all across America! To help celebrate our 10th year at RiffTrax, we're planning an amazing night of riffing and comedy with most of the original MST3K stars, including RiffTrax regulars Michael J. Nelson, Kevin Murphy, Bill Corbett, PLUS confirmed special guests Trace Beaulieu, Frank Conniff, Mary Jo Pehl and Bridget Nelson!

We've also invited the other veteran cast members as well as the cast of the New MST3K, and we're hopeful they'll join us too.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 7 March 2016 20:52 (seven months ago) Permalink

im all for this and stoked to see this but also why the fuck cant fathom events fund this stuff?

kurt schwitterz, Monday, 7 March 2016 20:55 (seven months ago) Permalink

Good frickin' point!

Ned Raggett, Monday, 7 March 2016 20:56 (seven months ago) Permalink

Anyway this one is off and running; it's already 10% funded and climbing.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 7 March 2016 20:56 (seven months ago) Permalink

I do like the mention of where any extra money goes:

We raised past our goal in our last three Kickstarter projects, and all of the money collected went towards getting the rights to the movies (plus getting additional movies to riff live), top notch production of the event itself, and in creating and fulfilling rewards. It will be no different this time around.

Making these shows a reality costs meaningfully more than our base goal, and so if we raise more money, it will go towards movie acquisition costs for two more shows this year, better production values, and towards all the awesome rewards. And perhaps you know that since RiffTrax started offering Mystery Science Theater 3000 episodes, we have been giving a portion of sales to all the MST principal cast members. RiffTrax will put a meaningful portion of all additional proceeds beyond our Kickstarter goal into this same pool.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 7 March 2016 20:58 (seven months ago) Permalink

Anyway, they're over 75% there so it'll obviously happen at this point. Looking forward to seeing it.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 8 March 2016 23:09 (seven months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

Is the cold war over? (Nelson shared it on social media insisting this is not a joke.)

Ned Raggett, Friday, 1 April 2016 17:52 (six months ago) Permalink

so this is their 4th (?) Kickstarter for Rifftrax?

and if you contribute to this

every backer at every level gets first dibs on tickets to see the live shows in person - including the MST Reunion show, which is sure to sell out. That's an EXCLUSIVE advance purchasing window just for backing us on Kickstarter

i love these guys but it's kind of blowing my mind that they want to raise a quarter of a million dollars for these two shows. i've seen a video of the Rifftrax live before, it's them showing a movie in a theater while people sit and riff, and that's it isn't it? "We may not have the puppets or costumes, but we will have a blast". and the shows aren't free, they are still selling tickets on top of that?


AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 1 April 2016 22:57 (six months ago) Permalink

is the State Theater a really fancy place or something?

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 1 April 2016 22:59 (six months ago) Permalink

The only thing I can think of is paying for rights to some big movie.

Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Saturday, 2 April 2016 00:02 (six months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Elliott Kalen of The Flop House (and The Daily Show with Jon Stewart) will be the head writer.

Good choice.

remove butt (abanana), Friday, 20 May 2016 22:05 (five months ago) Permalink


remove butt (abanana), Friday, 20 May 2016 22:06 (five months ago) Permalink

I am v into this announcement, Kalan is perfect for this

It's the first thing that has me legit excited about what this could be

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 20 May 2016 23:29 (five months ago) Permalink

if you've ever listened to the flophouse, he is the nerdiest nerd to ever nerd, basically

& super funny

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 20 May 2016 23:30 (five months ago) Permalink

Dramatically upping the refs to early 90s XMen comics per episode

Sentient animated cat gif (kingfish), Saturday, 21 May 2016 01:39 (five months ago) Permalink

well i won't get the jokes on this version, then

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 21 May 2016 01:44 (five months ago) Permalink

dont be so sure eeyore

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 21 May 2016 04:13 (five months ago) Permalink

I am v into this announcement, Kalan is perfect for this

It's the first thing that has me legit excited about what this could be

Yesss, I went from like 20% sure I would watch this to 100%.

You say tomato, Isao Tomita (RIP) (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 21 May 2016 07:24 (five months ago) Permalink

Frank Conniff ‏@FrankConniff 17h17 hours ago
Say, does anybody have an in with this guy so I could maybe get him to read my spec script?

Three Word Username, Saturday, 21 May 2016 14:26 (five months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Anybody else catch the reunion show? Went to the airing tonight w/fanatic friends, and while I enjoyed myself throughout (not a hardcore fan or anything), I'd swear my buds pissed themselves and were great at hiding the evidence.

Now I Know How Joan of Arcadia Felt (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 05:12 (three months ago) Permalink

Neat, but I was really hoping that there would be an announcement that the previous episodes be put on Netflix as well. Now that would be fantastic.

Evan, Sunday, 24 July 2016 05:59 (three months ago) Permalink

I am somewhat skeptical of Harmon's ability to work under a head writer but i could be wrong. he just always seems drunk & full of ego

mchale is interesting. feels like theyre afraid of not being funny or current enough? idk

could be awesome, wtf do i know

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 24 July 2016 06:03 (three months ago) Permalink

yech worst news but u kinda saw it coming.

"oh here's a brilliant idea: what if the robots were ...... drunk!!!! and the episode was about ..... writing an episode of MST3K!"

simply genius, you've done it again, harmon.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 24 July 2016 18:49 (three months ago) Permalink

Harmon seems like he would be able to riff funny stuff about bad movies. Thumbs up.

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Sunday, 24 July 2016 18:56 (three months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Backers update only but filming of the revival is now fully underway:

Ned Raggett, Monday, 26 September 2016 21:02 (one month ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

And another backers only update -- 'Production on our new season is now completely finished!'

Looks like it's editing to go. Guess we'll be due to see it all sometime next year.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 19 October 2016 22:55 (one week ago) Permalink

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 21 October 2016 04:19 (five days ago) Permalink

One of my favorites, that one.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 21 October 2016 04:21 (five days ago) Permalink

"Is he wearing a Braille jacket?"

Einstein, Kazanga, Sitar (abanana), Friday, 21 October 2016 07:07 (five days ago) Permalink

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