Sea Devils And Die: GeroniMoffat's Doctor Who In The 2010s

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Agreed with everyone above saying it was a passable filler episode, but a lot of good Smith moments for the character. Liked the meta bits ("I like the bit when someone says, 'it's bigger on the inside'", "not vampires - FISH FROM SPACE!"). And next week looks awesome!

Yeah, Matt Smith really uses his hands well.

I'm a bit surprised at the sudden love for Rory. Is he that much different from Mickey?

He's Mickey but much more boring and buffoonish. And he's a paternalistic killjoy, too. Can't wait for him to leave.

He's Mickey but without the risible panto acting and lack of personality of S1 Mickey

Don't get me wrong, I didn't like Mickey either. But Rory is worse for dragging down a so far great season (S1 had more than Mickey to drag it down).

I liked Mickey (eventually) though if I'm being honest I'm not sure how much more traction we can get out of the returning "pathetic ineffectual sexless boyfriend" theme - not sure if we needed a retread. Rory seems to be even blander (less whiny?) than Mickey started out. Neither of them are anywhere as good as Rhys.

Rory seems to be channelling Arthur Dent rather than Mickey, I thought. (More Martin Freeman than the original.)

Also, surprised no one's mentioned his rat-tail hair in the next ep. (Presumably hilarious explanation.)

There are a lot of Hitchhiker references in this series.

I quite like there being a group of them in the Tardis so happy to have Rory on board for a bit.

Had a lovely bit of foreshadowing when I walked past Toby Jones, wearing tweedy suit, in Lamb's Conduit Street this afternoon. HE TINY.

Rewatched this week's, noticed two things. 1) set in 1580 and Rory says "I'm getting married in 430 years"...so doesn't look like he and Amy are from the 90s after all. 2) It's a SCHOOL of FISH!

yeah, I noticed that Rory/430 years thing as well. But still, wibbly wobbly timey wimey blah.

I think when the Doctor's gadget told him the time the crack dated from it came up as 2010, but it was only onscreen for a splitsecond and I was kind of confused at that point so I may be mistaken.

according to tardis wiki the date is june 26th 2010 (season finale date)

Some good ideas not particularly well executed. It definitely fooled me into thinking Toby Jones was The Master, as I assume was the intention. It reminded me of the despair squid episode of Red Dwarf.

Wha? I absolutely loved that! Best episode since Midnight.

Jesus, I just checked who wrote it and now I feel really dirty for liking it.

I dunno, it just fell a bit flat to me. I thought the pensioner monsters were slightly pathetic.

Nah, making kids scared of granny is much better than making them scared of statues.

"And it was all a dream" used to get you marked down at school.

this was more "it is all a dream and..." though

Liked it very much.

felt like a short story in a virgin collection or a dr who magazine comic strip. well written for it. making that 2 in a row in that vein. is moff hoarding the PLOTs or what?

Yeah, I liked it. Didn't advance anything much, but it was fun, and the Dreamlord was well written.

(but also ledge OTM about the dream squid)

I was kind of convinced for a while the Dreamlord was Cyril out of 'The Celestial Toymaker' when he was doing the whole "you know who I am" thing, because the guy was playing it just like him. Although there were a fair few similarities between him and the Toymaker anyway.

Also, isn't "all the dark bits of The Doctor's personality" actually... erm... The Valeyard?

I did enjoy it though, even if it felt like it was trying to be a sitcom more.

Missed a great phantom pregnancy joke opportunity.

weirdly, amy's dialogue when rory died was practically word-for-word what gwen said when rhys died in the S1 finale of torchwood. they edited out the swears, though.

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Dream Lord, huh? Was that some subtle call-out to Gaiman, then?

It reminded me of the despair squid episode of Red Dwarf.

I had it down as 'Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind... In Space!'

liked this, dug the concept and character development stuff. laughed a little bit at geriatric zombie menace. it's weird how though the plots for this one and last week aren't as good as the previous stories, it seems like Smith has gotten more room to stretch his legs because they're a little less plot-heavy - i really liked his performance in this one

loved that goofy "my poncho boys!" bit, seemed improvised

weirdly, amy's dialogue when rory died was practically word-for-word what gwen said when rhys died in the S1 finale of torchwood

Gwen also had a non-pregnancy in Torchwood. I get a bit fed up with the amazing companion girls having dorky boyfriends who are blatantly written as undeserving of them and their amazingness then they have some big epiphany and realise that dorky boyfriend is actually ace (Rose/Mickey, Gwen/Rhys, now Amy/Rory). Also "I never told him I loved him" fuck off you big idiot, you've been married to him for five years and are having his baby, of course you've told him you love him. Haven't you? (yes, I know it was a dream, but she thought it was real)

Thought Rory was showing some spine in parts of this one tho, which I agree is a good thing. Can't really work out what I thought about this, I think I'm with Nhex - I really liked MS's performance in this one, but the two plots felt like a couple of half-baked ideas, not-quite-stories, yoked together for the purpose of the concept (which was great - as was the character of the Dream Lord).

It was pretty dark as well - The Doctor says the Dream Lord is the person he hates most in the Universe, doesn't he? Sounds like post-Tennant guilt. The whole self-accusatory stuff was nicely near to the bone as well.

It also got rid of the whole Doctor/Rory thing with them sniping at each other about Amy quite nicely, and junked any doubts about Doctor/Amy relationship, which I think is entirely a good thing. So on the whole a plus. And I don't really worry about these episodes not advancing things much - a lot of my favourites aren't really series advancers - Blink, gas mask one, Midnight, er, others. I quite like stand alone stories in fact, although I don't think either of the last two were particularly amazing.

And I don't really worry about these episodes not advancing things much

With you on that - I didn't give a shit about advancing things and big story arcs in the old (Tom Baker) days and my kids don't care now, they just want more episodes (though of course they like the wee hints that e.g. The Master's coming or Rose might come back or w/e).

Assuming Doctor Who is back to stay and will be around for years I'm happy for them to throw in loads of one off short stories or two part big monster things that don't necessarily have to have Bad Wolf or Dum-Dum-Dum-Dum or Oh Look It's The SAME Crack Do You See? leads stamped all over them.

Yeah WTF this was great, really drilled into the motivations behind the two main characters. The old people attacking were supposed to be a bit rubbish, I thought, although anything that allows you to get away with hitting an old woman in the face with a bit of wood on prime time TV is good with me.

The dark stuff was really great, the self-loathing Doctor is something they're going to run with, I think. It reminded me mostly of Turn Left, but internalised, about how the characters saw themselves rather than the future of the universe at stake.

Good underlining of Moffat's fairytale voibe as well, Doctor as Peter Pan figure preventing people from growing up.

There's that, and there's also the idea that in this episode, the Doctor's cracked. So no searches on walls etc. this time.

"And it was all a dream" used to get you marked down at school.

Dunno, it was established that some of it was a dream at the start, so the ending didn't bother me, especially as it turned out that they were all bad tripping on the Doctor's fucked up space acid.

Matt Smith is getting really good, isn't he?

Another fun episode, but I'm still finding the characters slightly aloof. I don't miss the emo broad-brush-strokes of the RTD era, but there's a certain emotional connection to the show that I'm missing this season, even if the show itself is actually much improved.

Really liked that! Didn't mind "oh, it was all a dream" seeing as we were forewarned but the space seeds did feel kind of a copout. But I liked the way the trailer last week showing what I thought was real life, Earth, circa Amy's time got me thinking this was the episode to explain everything, and in fact it was an episode which didn't explain any plot arcs outside the episode at all

also I liked that things the dark side of the Doctor dwells on clearly include mullets

(though yes, it was a bit despair squid - and the piles of dust on the playing field got me thinking of the first episode of Red Dwarf, where Lister asks "where is everyone, Holly? and what's this white powder I'm eating?")

So are the reptile fellas next week going to turn out to be Silurians?

Also made me think of when people got transmatted off the GameStation by the Daleks in the Ecclescake series.

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they are indeed Silurians chap (not much of a spoiler considering the thread title)

loved Toby Jones in this. still don't know about Rory/Amy but the whole 'night before wedding' thing does keep them and their plight interesting.

in the Venice episode the boss lady tells the Doctor to dream about them. In the next episode he does dream about another alien race in the same boat as the not-vampire fish - presumably because of being haunted by the decision to not help the last lot. but not sure if the eye-in-mouth aliens are meant to be a real thing or the Doctor just invented them for the purpose of the dream.

Yep, I wondered about that - yet another race chased out of their home by 'the silence' or just a dream of a race caused by the previous one? And yes, also thought Toby Jones was great; very entertaining.

There has got to be more of him for later. Totally Valeyard, but I've never known a Scottish writer not to mess with jekyllandhyde, given the opportunity.

Can I just reiterate how shockingly ITSY BITSY TEENY WEENY Toby Jones is? Like under five feet tall.

Matt Smith is getting really good, isn't he?

Agreed! Where Tennant's Doctor was all face-pulling and quirky tics, MS is mostly an unaffected, average guy who just happens to have a time machine.

Loved the pensioner-aliens. Come on, perfect way to drag in awesome Night Of The Living Dead moments (trapped in a house much? Lol)...and Invasion of the Body Snatcherz. Loved the dreamlord's snarkiness. Good ep, though the explanation was a little daft

<3 the eggbeater/wine-opener thing...such a good effects throwback

Huge fan, too, of the evil British Truman Capote dude. He reminded me of Q from Star Trek: TNG. I don't think anything has been better as a grown up for reliving 'scared of TV' kid-type intense feelings/nostalgia as this season of Doctor Who.

He reminded me of Q from Star Trek: TNG.

YES!

He totally reminds me of The Brain:
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