Sea Devils And Die: GeroniMoffat's Doctor Who In The 2010s

The plot was a mess but it didn't matter because it was very funny.

Think this was a filler episode despite occasional good parts. This may have been mentioned before, but Rory has a very 'The Fall' member from the 80's-90's vibe to him, though I can't decide on bassist or guitarist. I am super hyped for next Saturday though.

Whilst I can accept whatever hungarian castle they film robin hood in and some bad CGI matte standing in for Venice, the idea of an underground tunnel defies my suspension of disbelief.

that is a strange line to draw considering the episode was about fish from space who pretended to be vampires

underground tunnel in venice - has Indiana Jones been told?

Thought this was a good romp: no classic, but some fun dialogue and Rory is extremely likable.

Mostly, though, I felt like this was the first ep where Smith really sold himself as Matt Smith, rather than Matt Smith reading David Tennant.

the above point is exactly what i liked about the ep. i really really enjoy when MS gets growly and enunciates slowly – it's actually pretty menacing, and a great counterpoint to the falsely blasé chirpiness of DT that MS sometimes channels

"I've had enough running through corridors" or words to that effect - brilliant. Dialogue is noticeably improved this season.

Guy who wrote this ep also wrote Being Human, which is full of excellent dialogue.

I especially liked the bit with the Doctor ruining Rory's stag night.

I loved the pre-credit gag of not going 'noes vampires SCREAM' mix into theme tune. But crossing instead to the stag and an eventual awkward pause being the teaser end in its place

That was an excellent awkward pause. Also, the first time this series I felt like the doctor was in actual physical danger (from being glassed).

Also, the first time this series I felt like the doctor was in actual physical danger (from being glassed).

So did I. I wonder what happened when he jumped out of the cake at the wrong party.

the bit at the beginning where he mouthed the word "diabetic" when he was describing the stripper was note perfect and gave me genuine lolz.

Tennant couldn't have got that right in 100 takes.....

Yeah I enjoyed this one, thought it had a bit more going for it than standard Nu-Who romp. Next week's looks really interesting though.

"Did you kiss her back?" "No I kissed her mouth" made me lol.

Really liked amy's duckface moment too, good lol but also seemed like a nice little character touch.

I liked the "oh I see what you did there" scene between Doctor and the vampy girls in the mirror, and the scenes between him and the fish queen were nice and intense without being too "come with us sexy doctor' kissyface corny.

"Did you kiss her back?" "No I kissed her mouth" made me lol.

ah, I thought he said "no, I closed my mouth," but the scene didn't read properly that way - thanks!

Really liked amy's duckface moment too, good lol but also seemed like a nice little character touch.

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lol good grab

Agreed with everyone above saying it was a passable filler episode, but a lot of good Smith moments for the character. Liked the meta bits ("I like the bit when someone says, 'it's bigger on the inside'", "not vampires - FISH FROM SPACE!"). And next week looks awesome!

Yeah, Matt Smith really uses his hands well.

I'm a bit surprised at the sudden love for Rory. Is he that much different from Mickey?

He's Mickey but much more boring and buffoonish. And he's a paternalistic killjoy, too. Can't wait for him to leave.

He's Mickey but without the risible panto acting and lack of personality of S1 Mickey

Don't get me wrong, I didn't like Mickey either. But Rory is worse for dragging down a so far great season (S1 had more than Mickey to drag it down).

I liked Mickey (eventually) though if I'm being honest I'm not sure how much more traction we can get out of the returning "pathetic ineffectual sexless boyfriend" theme - not sure if we needed a retread. Rory seems to be even blander (less whiny?) than Mickey started out. Neither of them are anywhere as good as Rhys.

Rory seems to be channelling Arthur Dent rather than Mickey, I thought. (More Martin Freeman than the original.)

Also, surprised no one's mentioned his rat-tail hair in the next ep. (Presumably hilarious explanation.)

There are a lot of Hitchhiker references in this series.

I quite like there being a group of them in the Tardis so happy to have Rory on board for a bit.

Had a lovely bit of foreshadowing when I walked past Toby Jones, wearing tweedy suit, in Lamb's Conduit Street this afternoon. HE TINY.

Rewatched this week's, noticed two things. 1) set in 1580 and Rory says "I'm getting married in 430 years"...so doesn't look like he and Amy are from the 90s after all. 2) It's a SCHOOL of FISH!

yeah, I noticed that Rory/430 years thing as well. But still, wibbly wobbly timey wimey blah.

I think when the Doctor's gadget told him the time the crack dated from it came up as 2010, but it was only onscreen for a splitsecond and I was kind of confused at that point so I may be mistaken.

according to tardis wiki the date is june 26th 2010 (season finale date)

Some good ideas not particularly well executed. It definitely fooled me into thinking Toby Jones was The Master, as I assume was the intention. It reminded me of the despair squid episode of Red Dwarf.

Wha? I absolutely loved that! Best episode since Midnight.

Jesus, I just checked who wrote it and now I feel really dirty for liking it.

I dunno, it just fell a bit flat to me. I thought the pensioner monsters were slightly pathetic.

Nah, making kids scared of granny is much better than making them scared of statues.

"And it was all a dream" used to get you marked down at school.

this was more "it is all a dream and..." though

Liked it very much.

felt like a short story in a virgin collection or a dr who magazine comic strip. well written for it. making that 2 in a row in that vein. is moff hoarding the PLOTs or what?

Yeah, I liked it. Didn't advance anything much, but it was fun, and the Dreamlord was well written.

(but also ledge OTM about the dream squid)

I was kind of convinced for a while the Dreamlord was Cyril out of 'The Celestial Toymaker' when he was doing the whole "you know who I am" thing, because the guy was playing it just like him. Although there were a fair few similarities between him and the Toymaker anyway.

Also, isn't "all the dark bits of The Doctor's personality" actually... erm... The Valeyard?

I did enjoy it though, even if it felt like it was trying to be a sitcom more.

Missed a great phantom pregnancy joke opportunity.

weirdly, amy's dialogue when rory died was practically word-for-word what gwen said when rhys died in the S1 finale of torchwood. they edited out the swears, though.

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Dream Lord, huh? Was that some subtle call-out to Gaiman, then?

It reminded me of the despair squid episode of Red Dwarf.

I had it down as 'Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind... In Space!'

liked this, dug the concept and character development stuff. laughed a little bit at geriatric zombie menace. it's weird how though the plots for this one and last week aren't as good as the previous stories, it seems like Smith has gotten more room to stretch his legs because they're a little less plot-heavy - i really liked his performance in this one

loved that goofy "my poncho boys!" bit, seemed improvised

weirdly, amy's dialogue when rory died was practically word-for-word what gwen said when rhys died in the S1 finale of torchwood

Gwen also had a non-pregnancy in Torchwood. I get a bit fed up with the amazing companion girls having dorky boyfriends who are blatantly written as undeserving of them and their amazingness then they have some big epiphany and realise that dorky boyfriend is actually ace (Rose/Mickey, Gwen/Rhys, now Amy/Rory). Also "I never told him I loved him" fuck off you big idiot, you've been married to him for five years and are having his baby, of course you've told him you love him. Haven't you? (yes, I know it was a dream, but she thought it was real)