Joanna Newsom - Have One On Me (RIP blogs)

Yeah, I understand she has a public artist persona and that in her private life is probably not as obnoxious. But I can only relate to her public persona and it's o_O to emote the least.

i think she's come off as really smart, self-aware, and sweet in the pieces i've read about her, but it's alright, we just disagree

Clearly there are people far less shy than her, no? And answering questions from journalists is not exactly the same as being outgoing.

"I think I'm a weird compensator for shyness, because in certain circumstances I don't think I'm perceived as shy, but in others, it's very, very clear." - Joanna Newsom

how are you all reading that? b/c i don't think i'm reading it the same way as y'all

i think she's saying "i'm shy, but sometimes i come off as shy and other times i don't"

which, to me, is hardly "obnoxious." if anything, she's just comparing how she perceives herself to how she thinks other people perceive her

I'm reading it the exact same way that you are, I just think it's totally inane. But 'shyness' as a social organizer lost its meaning for me when I was in like 5th grade, and I don't think I know anyone who would characterize themselves that way. It just strikes me as totally childish and cloying to call yourself shy, esp to a reporter, and esp with that kind of analysis (sometimes I come off as shy and sometimes I don't -- who cares??????).

Like I have to wonder what kind of person she is to think people want to know how she characterizes her levels of outgoingness and whatnot. If she said that she's kinda withheld, or that sometimes she's reserved and sometimes outspoken, it wouldn't strike me this way. But it's this 'shyness' that annoys me. Especially because I don't believe it -- she's a public personality who is clearly tremendously outgoing in almost every element of her life (from the person she's chosen to date to the interviews she conducts to the kinds of music she makes) and when I hear her describe herself as shy it sounds like she's trying to present this image of a sensitive 11-year-old girl who is embarrassed around other people. Which is totally obnoxious coming from a clearly poised, intelligent, socially adept 28-year-old woman.

alright, i bought this earlier today -- i'm going to go read the article now

mordy are you high or what

At the moment I am not.

yep, it was in context. pretty good article too!

You are all having a very boring conversation right now, as much as I love it, lol.

Plus, this is a very, very good album that will one day be considered misunderstood and underrated in its time. It just gets better and better (really) the more we release the shackles of our oh-so-current expectations, ha ha.

Plus, this is a very, very good album that will one day be considered misunderstood and underrated in its time.

The only place I've heard any dissenting notes about this frickin' album is here so don't scare me like that.

ILX: Too pretentious for even Joanna Newsom

Haha.

http://pitchfork.com/news/38738-newsom-takes-on-gaga-madonna/

"I'm mystified by the laziness of people looking at how she presents herself, and somehow assuming that implies there's a high level of intelligence in the songwriting. Her approach to image is really interesting, but you listen to the music, and you just hear glow sticks. Smart outlets for musical journalism give her all this credit, like she's the new Madonna [...] Although I'm coming from a perspective of also thinking Madonna is not great at all. I'm like, fair enough: she is the new Madonna, but Madonna's a dumb-ass!"

Who knew Newsom had that kind of venom inside of her?! Not even Joanna herself, apparently, because she quickly realized the quote was a bit much, and later sent an e-mail to The Guardian clarifying-- though not taking back-- her statement:

"I may have contradicted myself. My problem isn't actually with Lady Gaga. But there's not much in her music to distinguish it from other glossy, formulaic pop. She just happens to wear slightly weirder outfits than Britney Spears. But they're not that weird-- they're mostly just skimpy. She's fully marketing her body/sexuality; she's just doing it while wearing, like, a 'fierce' telephone hair-hat. Her sexuality has no scuzziness, no frank raunchiness, in the way that, say, Peaches, or even Grace Jones, have-- she's Arty Spice! And, meanwhile, she seems to take herself so oddly seriously, the way she talks about her music in the third person, like she's Brecht or something. She just makes me miss Cyndi Lauper. [...] I shouldn't have called Madonna a dumb-ass. Her music and she have just gotten so boring to me, this last decade. I think maybe she doesn't hold her money very gracefully, the way some people can't hold their drink. But one thing she is surely not is dumb."

is everyone on XL required to release a scathing soundbyte about Lady Gaga now

From P4k's story Newsom Takes on Gaga, Madonna:

Like M.I.A., Joanna Newsom isn't buying into the Lady Gaga hype. In a recent article in The Guardian, the indie singer-songwriter-harpist had some choice words for the world's most fashion-forward pop star: "I'm mystified by the laziness of people looking at how she presents herself, and somehow assuming that implies there's a high level of intelligence in the songwriting. Her approach to image is really interesting, but you listen to the music, and you just hear glow sticks. Smart outlets for musical journalism give her all this credit, like she's the new Madonna [...] Although I'm coming from a perspective of also thinking Madonna is not great at all. I'm like, fair enough: she is the new Madonna, but Madonna's a dumb-ass!"

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/1333/facepalmrs.jpg

woops

Dan, Newsom's on Drag City

I don't like Newsom, Gaga, or Madonna (well, Madonna's got some okay stuff)
do I win a prize?

http://gossipcandy.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/184375-crazy-for-lady-gaga.jpg

lol this was on the XL website and I assumed they only bothered because she was one of their artists

hahahaha, anything for page views!

is everyone on XL required to release a scathing soundbyte about Lady Gaga now

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i really find it embarrassing

it's like, if it's so stupid, then why are you talking about it?? shutup already.

damn!

(sorry, I am addicted to "Housequake" and must always finish that phrase)

it's like, if it's so stupid, then why are you talking about it??

women be catty

here's the actual interview: http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/may/09/joanna-newsom-interview

I hope this was just a case of her being a bit kooky and not a calculated attempt to get attention/press by starting some kind of beef with Lady G.

but you listen to the music, and you just hear glow sticks

\(o_O)/

other glossy, formulaic pop.

\(o_O)/

Don't sweat it guys. She's just shy.

xp why do you give a shit what joanna newsom thinks of pop music?

she's a fucking northern california hippie not an ilx poster

cad, everybody!

i'm genuinely curious

My guess: no-effort way to grossly inflate post count

she's a fucking northern california hippie not an ilx poster

pretty sure she posts her as MumblestheRevelator

i'm really interested in her music & have been a fan since 2005, and i'm just super surprised to hear statements like this coming from her. she usually comes off as really intelligent and open-minded, so it's just super weird to hear her say such reductive bullshit

I can't really speak for everyone, but it's more interesting for me when you write things like ^^^ than when you just copy/paste stories from other sites (especially when they've been posted already).

it wasn't already posted when i first started to compose my message, but i sincerely appreciate the feedback & will try to up my game

she usually comes off as really intelligent and open-minded, so it's just super weird to hear her say such reductive bullshit

lol what about her persona would give you any indication that she would be "open" to pop crap like Lady Gaga?!? her whole schtick is antithetical to that stuff

ksh clearly has a weird relationship with Newsom.

lol "Arty Spice"

I've read a lot of articles on her, and I don't recall ever reading anything where she criticizes pop music, although it's possible she has before. I'm sure part of my reaction comes from liking pop music a lot myself and being on ILX, where liking pop music is the norm, but I just find it really surprising that someone who's so smart and seemingly open-minded can be so dismissive about an entire genre of music. Of course, people are all the time, so I probably shouldn't be surprised, but I just am.

btw newsom otm imo

*dismisses entire genre of music*

xp lol i should say not in dismissing an entire genre of music (which she doesn't do in the quote ksh pulled) but specifically re: gaga