Ned, let's talk about your 136 Albums of the 90s.

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Mascis made indie metal for the most part, he's the precursor to grunge. Swervedriver were trying to be a sensitive, blissy indie band but came from a hair metal pedigree. I didn't buy it, they sounded like phonies to me. That late 90s comeback is pretty solid retroactive evidence, too.

http://www.artistdirect.com/Images/Sources/AMGPORTRAITS/music/portrait200/drp000/p001/p00174qmn30.jpg

― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Friday, 31 October 2003 02:23 (twenty years ago) link

A picture is worth no words, sometimes.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 31 October 2003 02:24 (twenty years ago) link

Plus that fucking name...Swervedriver, could you get any more predictable than that in the early 90s? Ned, let's call our band Supertwirl.

― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Friday, 31 October 2003 02:25 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.magnetmagazine.com/photos/swerve.jpg
There you go Ned.

― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Friday, 31 October 2003 02:26 (twenty years ago) link

Um, how are they phonies again?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 31 October 2003 02:28 (twenty years ago) link

I'm nto trying to convert anyone Ned, it's how I felt then and how I still feel. They were tacky.

― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Friday, 31 October 2003 02:29 (twenty years ago) link

Hey, no worries.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 31 October 2003 02:31 (twenty years ago) link

Supertwirl, man. Supertwirl.

― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Friday, 31 October 2003 02:34 (twenty years ago) link

Mascis made indie metal for the most part, he's the precursor to grunge. Swervedriver were trying to be a sensitive, blissy indie band but came from a hair metal pedigree.

But we're talking about the same riffs, right? Big cock-rock riffs? Do you like them or don't you? How is it more of a sin to mix shoegaze with metal than anything else? And what's more...

What's blissy in songs about driving and drinking and William Gibson cyberpunk? If anything, Swervedriver took blissy out of the equation. Your Ride comparison made some sense to me at first, but much less now that you've qualified it. The sound has some of the same texture, but none of the same mood.

And now you've got me thinking that you're judging them by their haircuts, or similarly irrelevant criteria, like their "indieness" or lack thereof.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 31 October 2003 02:49 (twenty years ago) link

I had to sit through a Swervedriver gig in the early 90s, opening for some better band that I was there to see. I can't remember who though. SOnic Youth or Soundgarden or something like that. Who did swervedriver tour with? anyway, they were interminable. And I liked Ride at the time!

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 31 October 2003 02:52 (twenty years ago) link

I like Smashing Pumpkins, too. And they have a silly name and big cock-rock riffs. That's a better comparison than Ride, I think.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 31 October 2003 02:55 (twenty years ago) link

actually, now that I think about it, I think firehose were on the bill too! It was like, firehose and Swervedriver and "better band", only I can't remember who the better band was. Maybe they weren't that good. It may not have been SY or SG come to think of it. All I remember is that I did not like firehose and Swervedriver.

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 31 October 2003 02:56 (twenty years ago) link

Probably Soundgarden, as Swervedriver did open for them on a national tour in spring 1992.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 31 October 2003 02:58 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah ... now that I think about it, I'm sure it was Soundgarden...

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 31 October 2003 02:59 (twenty years ago) link

"Chemical Wire", "Sometimes", "Song for the Singer of R.E.M."...good fIREHOSE. 1992, bad. Check out their first two records Mr. D, you might be surprised.

― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Friday, 31 October 2003 03:04 (twenty years ago) link

anyway, they were interminable.

That, I understand. That's what Chris should have said. :)

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 31 October 2003 03:09 (twenty years ago) link

chrome by catherine wheel would be my fave cock rock/shoegaze hybrid.and my fave album by them.

― scott seward, Friday, 31 October 2003 03:25 (twenty years ago) link

Now there was an unabashed cooption of shoegaze, but, no heavy chugging headbanging shit. Nice, MOR rock tempos + 1000 tracks of guitar. "Strange Fruit" slays.

― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Friday, 31 October 2003 03:30 (twenty years ago) link

ned did you ever make an 80s list?

― Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Friday, 31 October 2003 03:31 (twenty years ago) link

Eeeewww. CFNY (the alt-rock station in Toronto) played the hell out of Catherine Wheel (especially their "Spirit Of Radio" cover, if only to pick up confused Q107 listeners). The stench still lingers.

― Dave M. (rotten03), Friday, 31 October 2003 03:31 (twenty years ago) link

ned did you ever make an 80s list?

I thought about it, but it would probably be about 500 records instead.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 31 October 2003 03:32 (twenty years ago) link

"Black Metallic" was inexplicably played to death on US (East Coast) radio and MTV.

― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Friday, 31 October 2003 03:32 (twenty years ago) link

Ned, I've resisted posting my 90s 100: this is your thread. Chainsaw Kittens?

― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Friday, 31 October 2003 03:36 (twenty years ago) link

They're great!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 31 October 2003 03:36 (twenty years ago) link

only 500? ;-)

i have 21 of 136.

― Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Friday, 31 October 2003 03:36 (twenty years ago) link

But not Drivin' N' Cryin'?

― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Friday, 31 October 2003 03:40 (twenty years ago) link

damn, I only have about fourteen of these.

― Dave M. (rotten03), Friday, 31 October 2003 03:43 (twenty years ago) link

I have 62 - circa '98 I was totally a mini-Ned.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 31 October 2003 03:53 (twenty years ago) link

with the hair et al? we want pictures.

― Dave M. (rotten03), Friday, 31 October 2003 04:00 (twenty years ago) link

Photoshoppers ahoy!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 31 October 2003 04:02 (twenty years ago) link

I own 16 of Ned's ... plus a solid 5 or 6 that I've always been "meaning to pick up"...

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 31 October 2003 04:04 (twenty years ago) link

The thing that suprised me about Ned's list when I read it was that there was fewer US indie rock records than I expected.

Considering some of his reviews at Allmusic and comments around here, I would have assumed some bands like the Jesus Lizard and Girls Against Boys would have been in the list.

― earlnash, Friday, 31 October 2003 04:08 (twenty years ago) link

Then Tim took my advice and took some E at a rave one night. ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 31 October 2003 04:10 (twenty years ago) link

Ha ha yes! That is a true story sorta! One of the first thing I said to Ned was that I thought I needed to try some E to better enjoy dance music. And that's exactly what happened!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 31 October 2003 04:41 (twenty years ago) link

Apropos of nothing in particular, I'd like to point out that my friend Mark once proposed that Firehose and the Butthole Surfers form a supergroup called, wait for it, "Butthose"

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 31 October 2003 04:45 (twenty years ago) link

I own 18, I've heard and wish I owned about 20 more, and almost all the rest are things I want to check out. So rah, Ned!

― Vinnie (vprabhu), Friday, 31 October 2003 05:12 (twenty years ago) link

I bought DI Go Pop when it came out, and it never clicked. I gave it more than it's fair share and now everyone seemingly rates it so highly. I would have to argue strongly for Buckley's Grace being in the top 10 if not 5.

― mentalist (mentalist), Friday, 31 October 2003 05:23 (twenty years ago) link

In your top ten, sure. I will not have THAT pollute my list.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 31 October 2003 05:34 (twenty years ago) link

So, Ned, are you saying you would prefer Gluey Porch Treatments or Ozma over Bullhead or Lysol?

― Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Friday, 31 October 2003 05:38 (twenty years ago) link

Pollute? ouch. You cussed rascal. Pistols at dawn outside the Goat & Nun. At least he engenders strong opinions.

― mentalist (mentalist), Friday, 31 October 2003 05:39 (twenty years ago) link

So, Ned, are you saying you would prefer Gluey Porch Treatments or Ozma over Bullhead or Lysol?

Er, no? Was I implying that?

At least he engenders strong opinions.

This is true.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 31 October 2003 05:41 (twenty years ago) link

Tim Finney, you are immediately ten times more interesting to me, knowing that you weren't a dance fan until quite recently.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 31 October 2003 05:54 (twenty years ago) link

Oh yeah, one more comment Ned,

TOO MUCH FUCKING SYNTHPOP

thank you

― qurslpis, Friday, 31 October 2003 06:08 (twenty years ago) link

TOO MUCH FUCKING SYNTHPOP

There can never be enough. Mm, getting sleepy, that's all for tonight on this thread from me.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 31 October 2003 06:14 (twenty years ago) link

Goo Goo Dolls rock!

― My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Friday, 31 October 2003 07:18 (twenty years ago) link

Ned has inexplicable bizarre dislikes such as Buckley and Elliott Smith which continue to bewilder me (well I understand teh Buckley dislike actually). But, I will say this, his list made me go back and actually purchase Mellon Collie which I derided for years as total crap after having heard it twice on a cross country drive, and I decided I actually like it (and, then, I decided I liked most of Adore also, particularly the last four or five songs). So, no-sideburns wearin', Jeff Buckley-hatin' Ned, I give you props for that.

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Friday, 31 October 2003 07:41 (twenty years ago) link

Mellon Collie, doesn't that inhabit the whingecore genre, shudder

― mentalist (mentalist), Friday, 31 October 2003 08:39 (twenty years ago) link

"Tim Finney, you are immediately ten times more interesting to me, knowing that you weren't a dance fan until quite recently."

Well we're talking four and a half years ago now.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 31 October 2003 09:11 (twenty years ago) link

Fuck, I've only got 5! There's a lot more I'd like, but still.

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 31 October 2003 09:17 (twenty years ago) link

I've got 26. Big props for mentioning the Veldt.

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Friday, 31 October 2003 16:44 (twenty years ago) link

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