2008 Primaries Thread

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its weird - but maybe its just cuz I'm in California - I don't remember ever seeing TV ads for presidential candidates on broadcast television for the last few elections. its really rare. Maybe they just don't bother out here.

because cali hasn't really been in play at the presidential level since, what, reagan? same is true in ny (and probably in reverse in texas). the markets are big and expensive and not worth the investment.

I would think you'd see ads ahead of the Feb. 5 primary though

seeking 0.01% - m4w

When did Perot announce in '92? Have ballot restrictions gotten tougher in the intervening years?

he's not running

did Bush I win California in '88? I don't remember.

gabbneb, my oracle, tell me.

a Republican hasn't won CA since Reagan

no wait he DID win! wtf

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this picture is made of win.

yes, Bush I won CA in '88, tho by less than 5 pts. it was Clinton that permanently realigned CA and New England.

Clinton made the Dems the party of the info class

biting tongue

... AND AWAY!

Precincts reporting: 2.99%

Clinton: 38.34%
Obama: 37.24%
Edwards: 17.02%

As always:

http://www.politico.com/

Clinton was the first Dem since Humphrey to win MI, CT or ME, the first since Truman (if you except Johnson's post-assassination domination of the whole map) to win CA or IL*, the first since Roosevelt to win NJ or NH, and the first in history to win VT.

*if you accept Kennedy stole it

Yeah, but racist Dems dominated the South up until the mid-60s, so it’s a ticklish comparison.

Dems didn't lose those states because there were some Southern racists in the party, they lost them because they were states of the establishment. Dems were aided in these places by the growth and movement of the knowledge-based upper middle class, but Clinton made possible the realignment by identifying and surfing that wave.

Obama pulling ahead.

Or not.

i'm an obama supporter but hilary crying and stuff made me sad and now i want her to win nh she deserves to win one.

Dems didn't lose those states because there were some Southern racists in the party, they lost them because they were states of the establishment.

yeah i heard about the crying wtf

xp

Mike Gravel ftw at 0.16!

NH has same day registration. Gravel is voting himself.

(is he out of the hospital?)

Is this states in the South you are referring to?

what? are you a britishes? none of the States I referred to are in the South. they are all Northern if not far Northern states.

and they've all gone Dem since 92 with the exception of NH in 2000

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/

TPM's scoreboard gives you the actual vote count, not just the percentages

Thank goodness. I was about to panic until I read that only 10% of the vote had been counted.

i wonder who won the moose vote

omg crazy screaming ron paul fans on cnn

msnbc calling it for mccain

none of the States I referred to are in the South. they are all Northern if not far Northern states.

LOLOLOLOL @ Rudy.

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lol drudge hate mccain

Drudge has the following:

OBAMA 36; CLINTON 37; EDWARDS 17; RICHARDSON 4; KUCINICH 2…
MCCAIN 38; ROMNEY 29; HUCKABEE 11; PAUL 8; GIULIANI 9; THOMPSON 1…

kind of a nail biter here

now *mccain wins is in red

tmp needs to start fucking w/ajax wtf

But I was making another point: since the Democratic Party of today is so different to that of the 1950s, say, it’s fairly meaningless to say that this or that state hasn’t gone blue since like 1950-something.

to the extent that it has a different base of support, that is in no small part the work of one W.J. Clinton

this might be a dumb question, but how is a 9-point lead with 10% reporting enough statistically to call a victory?

they're calling it based on exit polls

*cough* Florida *cough*

wow, why is clinton so close :-/

clinton ahead son

my guess is, earlier reporting precincts are smaller/more rural, right?

Clinton strength = NH wants to keep this thing going cuz they're not sure who's the one yet? I've been known to vote that way in a primary.

Well, HRC's not going to decisively win NH. Maybe not at all. No one saw this coming a week ago. That's the big story here. Good night, folks.