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having a certain aesthetic as an inherent, "essential" part of one's aesthetic

switch that first "aesthetic" for "sound or production choice"

why the hell are you spelling out "donuts" in dunkin donuts (ksh), Saturday, 1 May 2010 17:22 (4 years ago) Permalink

The true test is whether the songs hold up despite the lo-fi aesthetic. I'd argue that "When I'm With You," the stuff on the DDG album, etc. are sturdy enough to withstand any production approach. Same as the Shrimper acts from a decade ago; as we now know, the Mountain Goats' songwriting lends itself to boombox production or lush 4AD-sponsored studio craft.

mike a, Saturday, 1 May 2010 17:28 (4 years ago) Permalink

And I happen to like a minimal, low-tech approach anyway. If I haven't gotten sick of it since playing early Beat Happening on the radio in 1985, it's not going to happen now.

mike a, Saturday, 1 May 2010 17:29 (4 years ago) Permalink

it's just another production option for an artist. there's nothing inherently wrong with it at all.

Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 1 May 2010 17:34 (4 years ago) Permalink

there's a band called Grass Widow, too? fuck, i've fallen asleep

why the hell are you spelling out "donuts" in dunkin donuts (ksh), Saturday, 1 May 2010 17:40 (4 years ago) Permalink

it's not really that complicated ppl are just sick of fucking reverb and fake lo-fi production that you don't even need to have in 2010

― call all destroyer, Saturday, May 1, 2010 12:45 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

maybe i just like lo fi more than most but it's hard for me to relate to people who are all "i can't tell if i like this song because its LOFI and REVERB and SUMMER and i hate all those things because they're so trendy right now." are people just really picky about production or

passion of the wein (samosa gibreel), Saturday, 1 May 2010 19:33 (4 years ago) Permalink

i am pretty picky abt production so

this really isn't about trendiness--it's about laziness, and bands choosing production techniques that cover up poor musicianship, singing, and songwriting and then saying it's an aesthetic choice. i'm not saying this is happening intentionally, but i do think it is happening.

call all destroyer, Saturday, 1 May 2010 19:42 (4 years ago) Permalink

since there's no way to judge why an artist is making a particular production choice--unless you ask them, and even then "intentional fallacy" yada yada--i just try to judge them on the final product & whether it sucks or not

ksh, Saturday, 1 May 2010 19:47 (4 years ago) Permalink

ppl are just sick of fucking reverb and fake lo-fi production

by "ppl," i assume you mean ILM posters who still maintain some sort of an interest in indie rock, b/c most indie kids probably don't care & the majority of the population doesn't know that Japandroids or No Age exist

ksh, Saturday, 1 May 2010 19:55 (4 years ago) Permalink

(No Age isn't even a great example -- a lot of the Losing Feeling EP doesn't even sound lo-fi)

ksh, Saturday, 1 May 2010 19:56 (4 years ago) Permalink

it seems some people are pretty sick of lo-fi production at this point, and now any band regardless of how good they are will just get this knee-jerk "I AM SO FED UP WITH THIS SHIT" as if people have lost all ability to discern good from bad and are so repulsed by the ubiquity of the production style it's like their way of rebelling against it by just complaining and shitting on every instance of it. i think best coast's best songs pull it off beautifully, reverb et al all perfectly complementary to the style and overall vibe imo.

passion of the wein (samosa gibreel), Saturday, 1 May 2010 19:59 (4 years ago) Permalink

lol ksh you accused "ppl" of indie guilt and i am saying it is much more likely that "ppl" are not into this particular aesthetic

call all destroyer, Saturday, 1 May 2010 20:00 (4 years ago) Permalink

the problem with best coast was as soon as the youtube video started i was like "oh, it's this again"--i mean it wasn't offensive as a song or anything, i can't even really remember it atm, and i am NOT saying i hate all or even most of the stuff we're talking about, but like, it just seems like more of the same to me at this point.

call all destroyer, Saturday, 1 May 2010 20:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

but i'm really only arguing this because ksh thought it was a good opportunity to be all lol indie guilt as if he wasn't starting new threads about wilco 6 months ago

call all destroyer, Saturday, 1 May 2010 20:03 (4 years ago) Permalink

i think best coast transcends "oh, it's this again" by not being one of these ppl

this really isn't about trendiness--it's about laziness, and bands choosing production techniques that cover up poor musicianship, singing, and songwriting and then saying it's an aesthetic choice. i'm not saying this is happening intentionally, but i do think it is happening.

― call all destroyer, Saturday, May 1, 2010 2:42 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark

ibaka flocka flame (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 1 May 2010 20:05 (4 years ago) Permalink

i totally get that for someone who actually dislikes and has to, like, overcome the production it would be a nuisance. but if you're already into or unaffected by low fidelity, wouldn't you just listen to the actual song and respond to its melodies/chords/performance isntead of making such a big deal out of the use of reverb?

passion of the wein (samosa gibreel), Saturday, 1 May 2010 20:07 (4 years ago) Permalink

ksh do you still like indie rock?

passion of the wein (samosa gibreel), Saturday, 1 May 2010 20:12 (4 years ago) Permalink

i've seen you blaspheme its name in a few threads recently

passion of the wein (samosa gibreel), Saturday, 1 May 2010 20:13 (4 years ago) Permalink

xxp i respond to all components of the song at once--when i'm with you is a decent song that i would probably like more if it didn't sound the way it did

call all destroyer, Saturday, 1 May 2010 20:15 (4 years ago) Permalink

i totally think some of the hatred for these bands is due to lol indie guilt, but i'm not denying that your reaction, cad, is a legitimate one either

ksh, Saturday, 1 May 2010 20:16 (4 years ago) Permalink

ksh do you still like indie rock?

― passion of the wein (samosa gibreel), Saturday, May 1, 2010 3:12 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i've seen you blaspheme its name in a few threads recently

― passion of the wein (samosa gibreel), Saturday, May 1, 2010 3:13 PM (3 minutes ago)

just bought the new Caribou this week. i am still on board w/ indie rock. when i criticize it, i do it from the perspective of someone who still cares about it a lot

ksh, Saturday, 1 May 2010 20:17 (4 years ago) Permalink

i'm super excited for the new Sleigh Bells

ksh, Saturday, 1 May 2010 20:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

i wouldn't write this in as indie, unless you're just saying indie is all underground rock and pop music, and this trend is more on the 60s garage pop revival axis than actual indie pop. this is pretty distinctly not indie pop, in my mind at least. very possible that i am totally wrong, though.

passion of the wein (samosa gibreel), Saturday, 1 May 2010 20:21 (4 years ago) Permalink

i'm using indie as the almost impossible to define umbrella term it's become

ksh, Saturday, 1 May 2010 20:22 (4 years ago) Permalink

not sure what difference it makes, but it makes more sense to me to not treat this as indie. like to my mother indie rock is when she asks me "is this david bowie?" and i say no and she says "hm, could've sworn it was david bowie." i play guitar in a 50's pop band, we do mostly covers but recently have written some original material, and i wd probably be really upset if someone called us an indie pop band not because i dislike indie pop (which i don't) but because it's not twee or weird or affected or whatever. same with best coast, the songs are so clear, simple and straightforward, if it weren't for the recording (which still isn't an indie signifier to my mind) you definitely wouldn't id it as indie.

passion of the wein (samosa gibreel), Saturday, 1 May 2010 20:35 (4 years ago) Permalink

fair enough, but i bet you if your band were to release a record it'd be covered by indie publications & your audience would be primarily indie kids. right?

ksh, Saturday, 1 May 2010 20:46 (4 years ago) Permalink

really, this is all about the definition of the term "indie," which is a whole fuckin can of worms it's probably not a good idea to open. even after reading a million ILM threads & being part of the indie subculture, i still don't feel comfortable putting out a definition

ksh, Saturday, 1 May 2010 20:48 (4 years ago) Permalink

xp praps, or 60+ year olds. hipsters are definitely shifting away from indie (as identifiable to someone who doesn't subscribe to pitchfork rss) but i suppose now if we just call everything indie it's still a big thing? yer right this is all pretty unrelated to best coast though.

passion of the wein (samosa gibreel), Saturday, 1 May 2010 20:53 (4 years ago) Permalink

hipsters are definitely shifting away from indie

when you say this, do you mean that "hipsters" are focusing on music that isn't clearly influenced by the Sonic Youth/Dinosaur Jr/Pavement sort of line of bands?

ksh, Saturday, 1 May 2010 20:54 (4 years ago) Permalink

(as a sidenote, i was asking ppl what good indie records have come out this year over here -- A bunch of 2¢: Rolling Indie Thread 2010 -- and i'd be interested in hearing from you, samosa, if you think any good indie records have come out this year that the two ppl who already responded so far didn't list)

ksh, Saturday, 1 May 2010 20:57 (4 years ago) Permalink

i'm not a big indie guy, but this year i like white hinterland and vampire weekend alot.

passion of the wein (samosa gibreel), Saturday, 1 May 2010 21:03 (4 years ago) Permalink

oh, and titus andronicus.

passion of the wein (samosa gibreel), Saturday, 1 May 2010 21:05 (4 years ago) Permalink

thanks, i'll look into the White Hinterland.

what do you mostly listen to?

ksh, Saturday, 1 May 2010 22:10 (4 years ago) Permalink

I saw Best Coast on Tuesday night in London. Her voice is really great - it seemed stronger and more varied than on record. They had the drummer from Vivian Girls backing them, who was in a terrible mood and seemed to be having a great deal of trouble. The other guitarist (who I think was in The For Carnation) is a lot of fun to watch - he's got long black hair, was dressed like an 80s metalhead, and somehow manages to shred these little runs on his long necked guitar. I really liked them. If they know what's good for them they'll get an album out in time for Summer, because that's kind of what they're all about.

The opening band was called Yuck and even though they all looked about 18 they played an incredible approximation of Dinosaur Jr./Built to Spill with a dash of Lemonheads. It was an appealing throwback. I would have bought some music if they had some for sale.

Becky Facelift, Saturday, 8 May 2010 00:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

wow, one of the chicks from the vivian girls is destructively petulant? i'm shocked

J0rdan S., Saturday, 8 May 2010 00:32 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yuck used to be, the frankly awful, Cajun Dance Party. So yeah, they must be 19ish.

Smirking hard@ J0rdan.

Dwight Yorke, Saturday, 8 May 2010 14:14 (4 years ago) Permalink

I was at the London gig on Tuesday as well - Yuck were pretty good. I figured them as Dinosaur Jr + Pavement + a bit of shoegaze. There was another band before them, something about Philadelphia something or other. They were very energetic but not all that good.

I thought the drummer looked like the Vivian Girls drummer, which makes sense if it actually was the Vivian Girls drummer. They had to replace the bass drum halfway through although it sounded alright to me. I picked up the 7" but I was hoping to buy When I'm With You cos that song is awesome, I guess it's sold out now.

a fucking stove just fell on my foot. (Colonel Poo), Saturday, 8 May 2010 14:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

For what it's worth, the merch guy said the Best Coast 7" they were selling is from a super limited run of a couple hundred that were meant to be giveaways with the purchase of some expensive headphones, so you got a very rare one.

I have one Cajun Dance Party song that was a free iTunes download that doesn't sound anything like Yuck did - is it the same members under a different name? I guess when you're 19 you might change the type of music you want to play all the time. Either way, I thought they did a pretty good approximation of "Alternative Nation."

The first band was called The Philadelphia Grand Jury (maybe "Juries"?) and they indeed had a lot of energy. They kept saying they were from Miami, Florida but they had Australian accents, so I guess that was supposed to be some kind of gag. They looked young except for the drummer, who looked like he might have been in his mid-50s (so it was nice not being the oldest person in the room for once). They played a "wacky" rock cover of "99 Problems" and played the longest set of any of the three bands.

I had never been to that venue before but I liked it. The bands ended by 11 and a DJ kicked in after that.

Becky Facelift, Saturday, 8 May 2010 18:09 (4 years ago) Permalink

(venue = Madame Jo Jo's in Soho)

Becky Facelift, Saturday, 8 May 2010 18:09 (4 years ago) Permalink

Did you stick around for the club night? Cuz that's a pivotal part of White Heat*

*not just saying this because my friend is one of the resident DJs

Dwight Yorke, Saturday, 8 May 2010 19:18 (4 years ago) Permalink

The sunken stage set up is quite good for letting a lot of people see properly but could really do with another way in/out, and I automatically hate any venue that has a toilet attendant, but Madame Jo Jos is very convenient for me since I work just down the road.

I've never stayed for the club night, because the few times I've been to White Heat I've gone on my own to see the bands, plus it's mid-week and I have to get up for work/am probably too old to go to club nights!

a fucking stove just fell on my foot. (Colonel Poo), Monday, 10 May 2010 05:41 (4 years ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

listening to "When I'm With You" on lol Hype Machine right now, and i really like it -- nothing mindblowing, but it pulls off the whole lo-fi w/ pretty melodies deal really well

ksh, Sunday, 6 June 2010 04:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

Not heard them yet but I love Pocahaunted. I'm guessing this is much poppier? Is it like any of the woodsist label kinda stuff?

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 6 June 2010 10:47 (4 years ago) Permalink

Saw them at Primavera...holy christ it was dull. Got no desire to go back to the records now.

Dwight Yorke, Sunday, 6 June 2010 11:26 (4 years ago) Permalink

Do they even have a record? Just a couple of limited 7"s I thought. Anyway, "When I'm With You" is by far the catchiest thing they've put out (oh, incidentally, Best Coast really doesn't sound anything like Pocahaunted - totally different vibe).

Becky Facelift, Sunday, 6 June 2010 12:00 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeah, they recently released an EP on the "emusic selects" label/program. they're supposedly working on a full-length album.

nothing of theirs grabbed me like when i'm with you (which i love).

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 6 June 2010 12:04 (4 years ago) Permalink

I want to thank ye posters for turning me on to this! Terrific from what I've heard so far.

ImprovSpirit, Monday, 7 June 2010 04:28 (4 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Mexican Summer are elated to announce their latest artist and full length release from California’s Bethany Cosentino and Bobb Bruno, aka Best Coast. Crazy for You is a twelve track, twenty-nine minute collection of genuinely romantic sandy jams. Hazy, dreamy and genre-defining, Crazy for You proves that the impressive amount of press hype for Best Coast is more than warranted, especially coming off of her previous sold out singles on Group Tightener, Atelier Cuseaux, Art Fag, Black Iris, PPM and Eskuche. The band’s much-awaited debut album was recorded at Black Iris, a studio in LA’s Echo Park neighborhood, by Lewis Pesacov of the bands Fool’s Gold and Foreign Born. The result is a collection of maudlin and magical songs that approach relationships with a pure heart, a cloudy mind and pair of gas station sunglasses. None of the songs on Crazy for You were previously released on the earlier 7-inches. For the album’s sessions Cosentino brought in a collection of demos she had never sent to Bruno. “I wanted the record to be something completely fresh and new,” says Cosentino. “I just felt like my first record needed to be really special.”

1. Boyfriend
2. Crazy For You
3. The End
4. Goodbye
5. Summer Mood
6. Our Deal
7. I Want To
8. When the Sun Don't Shine
9. Bratty B
10. Honey
11. Happy
12. Each and Everyday
13. When I'm With You

Boo Radley (Bee OK), Sunday, 11 July 2010 03:30 (4 years ago) Permalink

i'm loving this stuff:

Boo Radley (Bee OK), Sunday, 11 July 2010 03:34 (4 years ago) Permalink

i dig that song. melodic, punky girl-group vibe.

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 11 July 2010 03:39 (4 years ago) Permalink

I was going to pick it up earlier this week, but the shop had the new Sinead on LP so I grabbed that instead, trusting my gut vs my hipster elbow..anyway I think I can safely say I've already clocked more hours with "How About I Be Me (And You Be You)" then I have clocked with any album with the words Coast, Best, Bells or Broken in it...funny thing about Sinead is she can still write a smoking tune despite being obviously mad as shit...I know, this is not a Sinead Mad as Shit or Still Writing Bangers thread, but it is all I got....
NP: Dr Dee

Napo, Friday, 18 May 2012 12:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

im into this 1

johnny crunch, Sunday, 3 June 2012 19:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah that's probably the best track

molly olsen (electricsound), Sunday, 3 June 2012 22:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

i think this one is pretty fab (previous distorto version of same song notwithstanding):

fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 19:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

8 months pass...

http://instagram.com/p/V8SxgZMcBX/

markers, Saturday, 23 February 2013 18:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

:3

rave revue (electricsound), Saturday, 23 February 2013 21:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

8 months pass...

I don't know why
the sun's in the sky
the rain, it falls down
down onto the ground

goodbye cruel world

Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Wednesday, 30 October 2013 14:25 (8 months ago) Permalink

opening track on the new EP is ace imo. mind you i liked a few tracks on the last album just fine.

piscesx, Wednesday, 30 October 2013 14:33 (8 months ago) Permalink


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