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indie guilt on ILX shocker, film at 11

why the hell are you spelling out "donuts" in dunkin donuts (ksh), Saturday, 1 May 2010 16:31 (4 years ago) Permalink

it's not really that complicated ppl are just sick of fucking reverb and fake lo-fi production that you don't even need to have in 2010

call all destroyer, Saturday, 1 May 2010 16:45 (4 years ago) Permalink

you don't "need" to have any aesthetic

why the hell are you spelling out "donuts" in dunkin donuts (ksh), Saturday, 1 May 2010 16:53 (4 years ago) Permalink

i get what you're saying -- technology has advanced enough that we aren't limited to a lo-fi sound -- but that doesn't mean that sound isn't still available, and that doesn't mean people shouldn't use it. i think it's more interesting to say why that aesthetic does or doesn't work for a particular song or band

why the hell are you spelling out "donuts" in dunkin donuts (ksh), Saturday, 1 May 2010 16:55 (4 years ago) Permalink

what we really need is a back-to-basics movement. maybe just some guys. with beards. and guitars.

acoustic guitars.

Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 1 May 2010 16:56 (4 years ago) Permalink

of course, i could see why an indie fan would be "sick of" that aesthetic, because it's been a thing in indie for forever. but, like, even you like the Vivan Girls' last record, right? some people still pull it off well. i like the first Vivian Girls' record

why the hell are you spelling out "donuts" in dunkin donuts (ksh), Saturday, 1 May 2010 16:56 (4 years ago) Permalink

Daniel, I think you should join Fleet Foxes

why the hell are you spelling out "donuts" in dunkin donuts (ksh), Saturday, 1 May 2010 16:57 (4 years ago) Permalink

i cannot grow a beard that majestic.

also, i am too old to be in a band. even the fleet foxes.

Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 1 May 2010 16:58 (4 years ago) Permalink

one is never to old to play acoustic guitar & have a beard, as patchy or unmajestic as it may be

why the hell are you spelling out "donuts" in dunkin donuts (ksh), Saturday, 1 May 2010 16:59 (4 years ago) Permalink

patchy it would be.

Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 1 May 2010 17:01 (4 years ago) Permalink

anyway, nothing wrong with a lo-fi aesthetic filled with reverb. done well, i still appreciate it. besides, does that really characterize best coast's sound? its more 60s-girl group/surf rock homage, to me.

Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 1 May 2010 17:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

if you buy an electric instead of an acoustic, you can start a lo-fi band, forgo the beard completely, *and* save money on production costs by using a cassette deck instead of a modern studio

why the hell are you spelling out "donuts" in dunkin donuts (ksh), Saturday, 1 May 2010 17:04 (4 years ago) Permalink

ksh, there are days where, if i could give up my law practice for a gig with a band, i would.

of course, i'd have to be able to play even passably.

Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 1 May 2010 17:05 (4 years ago) Permalink

not in indie rock you wouldn't -- buy a guitar, learn a handful of chords, and start singing the first thing that comes to mind. send the demo to a blog. you will be featured on Stereogum in a month's time

why the hell are you spelling out "donuts" in dunkin donuts (ksh), Saturday, 1 May 2010 17:07 (4 years ago) Permalink

xxxp yeah that's getting at the problem--a lot of bands are trying to explicitly give themselves a "retro" aesthetic through recording techniques. i think it rarely works well. it's not really a problem with the second vivian girls record because a) the songwriting is going in a completely different direction and b) i'd characterize their production more as just "noisy" than anything

call all destroyer, Saturday, 1 May 2010 17:07 (4 years ago) Permalink

wait, you're saying . . .

I COULD BE FEATURED ON STEREOGUM?!?

Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 1 May 2010 17:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

within a week's time, if you're very lucky & willing to eventually have your lo-fi tunes featured in a KFC commercial

why the hell are you spelling out "donuts" in dunkin donuts (ksh), Saturday, 1 May 2010 17:13 (4 years ago) Permalink

xpost to cad

sure. one of the problems with indie rock, and with any genre, really, occurs when a band assumes certain signifiers (lo-fi production, a certain guitar sound) w/o its being an "essential" part of their sound. it's the difference between a band's putting on ill-fitting clothes b/c tradition or current trends present those clothes to you as an option & having a certain aesthetic as an inherent, "essential" part of one's aesthetic

why the hell are you spelling out "donuts" in dunkin donuts (ksh), Saturday, 1 May 2010 17:13 (4 years ago) Permalink

things are more nuanced than that, but that's the best way i can think to describe it right now

why the hell are you spelling out "donuts" in dunkin donuts (ksh), Saturday, 1 May 2010 17:14 (4 years ago) Permalink

having a certain aesthetic as an inherent, "essential" part of one's aesthetic

switch that first "aesthetic" for "sound or production choice"

why the hell are you spelling out "donuts" in dunkin donuts (ksh), Saturday, 1 May 2010 17:22 (4 years ago) Permalink

The true test is whether the songs hold up despite the lo-fi aesthetic. I'd argue that "When I'm With You," the stuff on the DDG album, etc. are sturdy enough to withstand any production approach. Same as the Shrimper acts from a decade ago; as we now know, the Mountain Goats' songwriting lends itself to boombox production or lush 4AD-sponsored studio craft.

mike a, Saturday, 1 May 2010 17:28 (4 years ago) Permalink

And I happen to like a minimal, low-tech approach anyway. If I haven't gotten sick of it since playing early Beat Happening on the radio in 1985, it's not going to happen now.

mike a, Saturday, 1 May 2010 17:29 (4 years ago) Permalink

it's just another production option for an artist. there's nothing inherently wrong with it at all.

Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 1 May 2010 17:34 (4 years ago) Permalink

there's a band called Grass Widow, too? fuck, i've fallen asleep

why the hell are you spelling out "donuts" in dunkin donuts (ksh), Saturday, 1 May 2010 17:40 (4 years ago) Permalink

it's not really that complicated ppl are just sick of fucking reverb and fake lo-fi production that you don't even need to have in 2010

― call all destroyer, Saturday, May 1, 2010 12:45 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

maybe i just like lo fi more than most but it's hard for me to relate to people who are all "i can't tell if i like this song because its LOFI and REVERB and SUMMER and i hate all those things because they're so trendy right now." are people just really picky about production or

passion of the wein (samosa gibreel), Saturday, 1 May 2010 19:33 (4 years ago) Permalink

i am pretty picky abt production so

this really isn't about trendiness--it's about laziness, and bands choosing production techniques that cover up poor musicianship, singing, and songwriting and then saying it's an aesthetic choice. i'm not saying this is happening intentionally, but i do think it is happening.

call all destroyer, Saturday, 1 May 2010 19:42 (4 years ago) Permalink

since there's no way to judge why an artist is making a particular production choice--unless you ask them, and even then "intentional fallacy" yada yada--i just try to judge them on the final product & whether it sucks or not

ksh, Saturday, 1 May 2010 19:47 (4 years ago) Permalink

ppl are just sick of fucking reverb and fake lo-fi production

by "ppl," i assume you mean ILM posters who still maintain some sort of an interest in indie rock, b/c most indie kids probably don't care & the majority of the population doesn't know that Japandroids or No Age exist

ksh, Saturday, 1 May 2010 19:55 (4 years ago) Permalink

(No Age isn't even a great example -- a lot of the Losing Feeling EP doesn't even sound lo-fi)

ksh, Saturday, 1 May 2010 19:56 (4 years ago) Permalink

it seems some people are pretty sick of lo-fi production at this point, and now any band regardless of how good they are will just get this knee-jerk "I AM SO FED UP WITH THIS SHIT" as if people have lost all ability to discern good from bad and are so repulsed by the ubiquity of the production style it's like their way of rebelling against it by just complaining and shitting on every instance of it. i think best coast's best songs pull it off beautifully, reverb et al all perfectly complementary to the style and overall vibe imo.

passion of the wein (samosa gibreel), Saturday, 1 May 2010 19:59 (4 years ago) Permalink

lol ksh you accused "ppl" of indie guilt and i am saying it is much more likely that "ppl" are not into this particular aesthetic

call all destroyer, Saturday, 1 May 2010 20:00 (4 years ago) Permalink

the problem with best coast was as soon as the youtube video started i was like "oh, it's this again"--i mean it wasn't offensive as a song or anything, i can't even really remember it atm, and i am NOT saying i hate all or even most of the stuff we're talking about, but like, it just seems like more of the same to me at this point.

call all destroyer, Saturday, 1 May 2010 20:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

but i'm really only arguing this because ksh thought it was a good opportunity to be all lol indie guilt as if he wasn't starting new threads about wilco 6 months ago

call all destroyer, Saturday, 1 May 2010 20:03 (4 years ago) Permalink

i think best coast transcends "oh, it's this again" by not being one of these ppl

this really isn't about trendiness--it's about laziness, and bands choosing production techniques that cover up poor musicianship, singing, and songwriting and then saying it's an aesthetic choice. i'm not saying this is happening intentionally, but i do think it is happening.

― call all destroyer, Saturday, May 1, 2010 2:42 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark

ibaka flocka flame (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 1 May 2010 20:05 (4 years ago) Permalink

i totally get that for someone who actually dislikes and has to, like, overcome the production it would be a nuisance. but if you're already into or unaffected by low fidelity, wouldn't you just listen to the actual song and respond to its melodies/chords/performance isntead of making such a big deal out of the use of reverb?

passion of the wein (samosa gibreel), Saturday, 1 May 2010 20:07 (4 years ago) Permalink

ksh do you still like indie rock?

passion of the wein (samosa gibreel), Saturday, 1 May 2010 20:12 (4 years ago) Permalink

i've seen you blaspheme its name in a few threads recently

passion of the wein (samosa gibreel), Saturday, 1 May 2010 20:13 (4 years ago) Permalink

xxp i respond to all components of the song at once--when i'm with you is a decent song that i would probably like more if it didn't sound the way it did

call all destroyer, Saturday, 1 May 2010 20:15 (4 years ago) Permalink

i totally think some of the hatred for these bands is due to lol indie guilt, but i'm not denying that your reaction, cad, is a legitimate one either

ksh, Saturday, 1 May 2010 20:16 (4 years ago) Permalink

ksh do you still like indie rock?

― passion of the wein (samosa gibreel), Saturday, May 1, 2010 3:12 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i've seen you blaspheme its name in a few threads recently

― passion of the wein (samosa gibreel), Saturday, May 1, 2010 3:13 PM (3 minutes ago)

just bought the new Caribou this week. i am still on board w/ indie rock. when i criticize it, i do it from the perspective of someone who still cares about it a lot

ksh, Saturday, 1 May 2010 20:17 (4 years ago) Permalink

i'm super excited for the new Sleigh Bells

ksh, Saturday, 1 May 2010 20:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

i wouldn't write this in as indie, unless you're just saying indie is all underground rock and pop music, and this trend is more on the 60s garage pop revival axis than actual indie pop. this is pretty distinctly not indie pop, in my mind at least. very possible that i am totally wrong, though.

passion of the wein (samosa gibreel), Saturday, 1 May 2010 20:21 (4 years ago) Permalink

i'm using indie as the almost impossible to define umbrella term it's become

ksh, Saturday, 1 May 2010 20:22 (4 years ago) Permalink

not sure what difference it makes, but it makes more sense to me to not treat this as indie. like to my mother indie rock is when she asks me "is this david bowie?" and i say no and she says "hm, could've sworn it was david bowie." i play guitar in a 50's pop band, we do mostly covers but recently have written some original material, and i wd probably be really upset if someone called us an indie pop band not because i dislike indie pop (which i don't) but because it's not twee or weird or affected or whatever. same with best coast, the songs are so clear, simple and straightforward, if it weren't for the recording (which still isn't an indie signifier to my mind) you definitely wouldn't id it as indie.

passion of the wein (samosa gibreel), Saturday, 1 May 2010 20:35 (4 years ago) Permalink

fair enough, but i bet you if your band were to release a record it'd be covered by indie publications & your audience would be primarily indie kids. right?

ksh, Saturday, 1 May 2010 20:46 (4 years ago) Permalink

really, this is all about the definition of the term "indie," which is a whole fuckin can of worms it's probably not a good idea to open. even after reading a million ILM threads & being part of the indie subculture, i still don't feel comfortable putting out a definition

ksh, Saturday, 1 May 2010 20:48 (4 years ago) Permalink

xp praps, or 60+ year olds. hipsters are definitely shifting away from indie (as identifiable to someone who doesn't subscribe to pitchfork rss) but i suppose now if we just call everything indie it's still a big thing? yer right this is all pretty unrelated to best coast though.

passion of the wein (samosa gibreel), Saturday, 1 May 2010 20:53 (4 years ago) Permalink

hipsters are definitely shifting away from indie

when you say this, do you mean that "hipsters" are focusing on music that isn't clearly influenced by the Sonic Youth/Dinosaur Jr/Pavement sort of line of bands?

ksh, Saturday, 1 May 2010 20:54 (4 years ago) Permalink

(as a sidenote, i was asking ppl what good indie records have come out this year over here -- A bunch of 2¢: Rolling Indie Thread 2010 -- and i'd be interested in hearing from you, samosa, if you think any good indie records have come out this year that the two ppl who already responded so far didn't list)

ksh, Saturday, 1 May 2010 20:57 (4 years ago) Permalink

i'm not a big indie guy, but this year i like white hinterland and vampire weekend alot.

passion of the wein (samosa gibreel), Saturday, 1 May 2010 21:03 (4 years ago) Permalink

whenever I hear them it only makes me wish that amy linton or linton was not retired or designing houses or whatever.

I think the band's alright but reading this makes me realize I pretty much have the exact same thought every time I give them a listen.

"Fourvel - it's like Fievel, but one less." (R Baez), Friday, 27 April 2012 05:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

This is streaming at NPR

kornrulez6969, Monday, 7 May 2012 19:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

thanks

Bee OK, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 04:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

CTRL + F "whiney" = 0 results

what the hell, this is like a gimme for whinehate™

cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 07:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

wasn't into the first single, maybe I'll check out the second if they release a video. liked their first few 7" a lot.

UnderControl, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 08:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

Can we talk about this record? All my worst fears are confirmed. No pot, cats or ooooooh.

kornrulez6969, Friday, 18 May 2012 02:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

i really dislike the sound, it's bizarrely muffled and tubby with harsh resonances all at the same time

makes it difficult to focus on the not-bad songs, despite their cat-free qualities

mexican sumner (electricsound), Friday, 18 May 2012 02:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

I actually kind of like this new one, I was subjected to it while browsing at a bookstore. Her lyrics are still awful and rhymes painfully obvious, but I think Brion's production kind of fits it. I don't love it or anything, but it wasn't as terrible as everyone is trying to claim.

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 18 May 2012 03:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

is this the record that will finally let everyone know how terrible jon brion is?

i mean the songs are no great shakes but my god

call all destroyer, Friday, 18 May 2012 03:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

no no no it's terrible xp

call all destroyer, Friday, 18 May 2012 03:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

didn't realise it was a brion thing, i think his ego might have taken over his ears

mexican sumner (electricsound), Friday, 18 May 2012 03:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

i don't really have deep evidence to back this up but everything i've ever knowingly heard that he's been involved with has sounded really, really bad

call all destroyer, Friday, 18 May 2012 03:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

dude has more vintage wank equipment than vincent gallo and this is the sound he gets? he should be drawn and quartered

mexican sumner (electricsound), Friday, 18 May 2012 03:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

haha

posts very much in character /\/\/\\/\

www.gbokchoymail.com (admrl), Friday, 18 May 2012 03:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

Almost afraid to stick my head over the trench here but Bachelor No. 1 was great and that was a Brion joint i think.

calstars, Friday, 18 May 2012 03:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

bachelor no. 1 is......ok and not because of him

call all destroyer, Friday, 18 May 2012 03:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

CTRL + F "whiney" = 0 results

what the hell, this is like a gimme for whinehate™

― cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 07:54 (1 week ago) Permalink

CTRL + F "best coast" on spin.com = 1 result under "SPIN ESSENTIALS"

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Friday, 18 May 2012 04:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

The production isn't helping her at all. Plus She has a tendency to draw out the last syllable of every line which makes the banality of her rhymes even more glaring.

kornrulez6969, Friday, 18 May 2012 09:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah i wanna withdraw whatever "maybe it'll be good! jon brion isn't so bad is he?" remarks i made earlier itt. she should do super early-eps fuzzy stuff or should go all out & do the full band fleetwood mac thing that some of these songs want. it sounds so clean and terrible, with its little jaunty indie movie drumming.

some of the songs are okay though.

blossom smulch (schlump), Friday, 18 May 2012 10:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

I was going to pick it up earlier this week, but the shop had the new Sinead on LP so I grabbed that instead, trusting my gut vs my hipster elbow..anyway I think I can safely say I've already clocked more hours with "How About I Be Me (And You Be You)" then I have clocked with any album with the words Coast, Best, Bells or Broken in it...funny thing about Sinead is she can still write a smoking tune despite being obviously mad as shit...I know, this is not a Sinead Mad as Shit or Still Writing Bangers thread, but it is all I got....
NP: Dr Dee

Napo, Friday, 18 May 2012 12:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

im into this 1

johnny crunch, Sunday, 3 June 2012 19:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah that's probably the best track

molly olsen (electricsound), Sunday, 3 June 2012 22:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

i think this one is pretty fab (previous distorto version of same song notwithstanding):

fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 19:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

8 months pass...

http://instagram.com/p/V8SxgZMcBX/

markers, Saturday, 23 February 2013 18:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

:3

rave revue (electricsound), Saturday, 23 February 2013 21:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

8 months pass...

I don't know why
the sun's in the sky
the rain, it falls down
down onto the ground

goodbye cruel world

Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Wednesday, 30 October 2013 14:25 (9 months ago) Permalink

opening track on the new EP is ace imo. mind you i liked a few tracks on the last album just fine.

piscesx, Wednesday, 30 October 2013 14:33 (9 months ago) Permalink


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