Mordy's Metal Listening Club - New Albums Every Monday

hate the drum sound here on the intro to soft white throat, but that is not really their fault, its a shit drum sound that i hear on lots of stuff from the era.

vocals sound cartoony to me? kind of a fake evil going on here, maybe ive just been bent by listening to peste noire too much.

ok stutter vocal was irritating, but the post part here is better than anything else so far. still some sort of clinical separation in the recording that is distracting from whats going on. theres no density here - which is kind of frustrating, because if there was, i would prob be digging this. song screams for heavy, and there isnt any here.

so uh what the hell is going on here (bestial bitch)? now its all halfassed motorheady, but with scratchy doubletracked vocals? again, this could be kind of great but its like this band is listening to a lot of stuff and not really making good choices about how to put it all together.

ok now its prey and its the best thing so far, by far. hated the intro, but i could listen to this (less the DUMB mindless self indulgence synth stab noise shit going on in sometimes). and now, its all mediocre synth bridge which sucks a lot. and now its back to the song, but ehhhhh. also that drum thing that just happened was crap.

this seems to be a band that could be good but is too busy fucking around outside of what they can actually do well (which given my U1v3r and SGM and whatever leanings seems like a strange thing to criticize but).

cant help but feel that for a second there i heard a band that might be pretty good, but is too distracted.

track 5 seems like the best thing so far despite my evanescence puke reaction. still, the guitar is just so LAME, and i dont need like shredder stuff going on, but can this dude (dudes?) actually play beyond a simple functional level? i am now to the part where there is a dual guitar lead and still, this is hitting me as dumbed down "metal guitar", theres nothing really interesting going on here.

ok so the crowley cover just started and i am either going to be super stoked or really pissed. just started to kind of obsessively revisit this song a couple weeks ago and i am kind of in the zone with it at the moment.

ok fuck you guys I HATE THIS A FUCKING TON. taking a legitimately creepy song and dressing it up in your crap arglebargle voice with a bunch of pitch shifting and then some badly executed half time blastbeats turns it into some clown shoes LOOK AT ME I AM SPOOKY garbage. this is tex avery moustache twisting evil. yuck.

not sure that HIM is metal so far but i would def rather listen to this than cradle of filth.

actually, first song has some kind of amazing pop-metal nostalgia going on for me. throat screamy thing out of nowhere is pretty cool, and doomy monk chorus in the middle is pretty cool. surprised, but theres something going on here that works for me. and this is def a pop informed metal prob hard rock album, but they are sneaking in some cool shit here, and doing decent pop shit as well (on the second track now, which is like some sort of popjizz explosion for the most part, but i am digging it.)

if i was going to draw a totally unsolicited compare/contrast thing here, cradle of filth is positioned as a metal band sneaking in pop, and HIM is some sort of pop/rock/poppunk thing sneaking in metal, but these dudes are making me buy it and COF sounds like a bunch of teengrabbing bullshitters.

third song is semi-awesome pretty pop but fails on the metal side so far.

Ok so tbf, I like this a lot. But more and more as a funtime party album thing, not so much a metal deal.

album is ok. trying hard not to be "death to false metal" dude here but eh idk. most enjoyable of the three by far.

wait til dan reads that you enjoyed HIM

I wish I had more constructive things to sat tbh

*say

goddammit i accidentally listened to three songs from the nymphetamine bonus disc instead of the album itself

― call all destroyer, Monday, April 19, 2010 7:42 PM (3 days ago)

and upon further research that is exactly what i did as well, so all my COF ranting up there was about the bonus disc.

fucking hell

memo to lala users, the first result thats only 6 tracks long is not the one yer supposed to be listening to.

yeeeeah the actual disc is better tho i ended up having more than my share of complaints about it.

the real tragedy is that i cant unhear that garbage mr crowley cover

rofl

but you dont mind the cliff richard cover?

well i wasnt a fan, but it didnt offend me on a personal level

and the cof version?

come on guys, where's the chat?

Anyone playing catch up want to talk about last weeks albums?

Gonna watch last nights 30 rock and then try the him/mandrills.

Just don't mistakenly try a Himdrill

OK, a few things about Cradle of Filth, to end my picking week. I had long ignored them, assuming from the name that they were goregrind or some other grimy niche that I'm not really into. I gave Thornography a chance, for reasons I have forgotten, and really liked it, and that sent me belatedly scouring through the back catalog. I like most of it, including some of the dubious-sounding EPs and compilations. Godspeed on the Devil's Thunder is probably the first whole record of theirs I've been actively disappointed with. (But I saw them on tour for it, and they were still fabulous.)

Nymphetamine may or may not be my favorite, but it's the one that seems most intriguing on its own, to me, precisely for its tension between flagrant cryptic ugliness and goofy goth-pop ambition. In a way it finds Cradle of Filth trying to be both Dimmu Borgir and HIM, at once. Easy enough to hate, for many reasons, but for me the artistic risk involved is admirable for its own sake, and obviously it doesn't hurt that I like the effect, personally. I'm a devoted metal fan, but I'm also an unapologetic pop fan, and a fan of a lot of other things, and I have no purist agenda for any of them. Cross them all! Cradle of Filth is plainly wearing "evil" as a costume, but I guess it basically always seems like a costume to me. I don't inherently take Emperor or Gorgoroth or Bathory any more seriously. Anybody who was "really" evil wouldn't be wasting their time writing songs about it.

If this were a three-song listening club, I might actually have used that bonus-disc cover of "Mr. Crowley". I like their own material better, but hearing them take something familiar and transform it kind of demonstrates their style and agenda even more succinctly. Could have done HIM's cover of "Wicked Game", and one of the many Dream Theater covers in place of Fates Warning. Or maybe Anacrusis doing NMA's "I Love the World"...

is it artistic risk though? Im pretty damn sure it's the sound of a "band" (they have a constantly changing line up dont they?) trying to stay accessible to the kerrang kiddies so they sell loads of records and make money. I dont see dani filth as having any artistic integrity at all.

And these bands doing covers is purely aimed at MTV/Radio play. Fuck that.

Integrity usually makes for boring music, IMO. I like the Cradle of Filth. I like singers who do weird things with their voices - it's one of the areas where metal bands can break out of the fairly rigid formal constraints of the genre and do something really surprising.

If this were a three-song listening club, I might actually have used that bonus-disc cover of "Mr. Crowley".

hahahaha that might have made me erupt in a full on hatesplosion

i am going to go back and listen to the straight album if i have time over the weekend and give it a fair shot.

and obv given some of the stuff i champion around here i am totally down with singers that do weird stuff w/their voice, but nothing i hear in COF is actually weird, its just kind of cartoon scary, almost like a parody of what i hear when weird/scary works.

Integrity usually makes for boring music, IMO.

"integrity" is also a vague term that can mean anything to anyone. it's fairly useless to talk about it in music criticism, imo.

Maybe the COF vocals are not weird by the standards of extreme metal, but I think they sound weirder in the context of COF's music, because they're going for something with a bit broader appeal and the vocals contrast with the more commercial elements. There can be something almost embarrassingly intimate about listening to the sound of saliva rattling around in a guy's throat. It's a rather vulnerable and naked way of producing sound - in contrast to the tough guy distancing effect of playing a guitar through loads of pedals and amplifiers. And in conjunction with the overtly sexual lyrics of COF, it makes for a unique effect.

HIM- Anyone want to explain why this is metal and Fall Out Boy is emo pop? Is it because Fall Out Boy have sex with hot girls and HIM like that heart/star symbol thingy? Only two songs in and this is a Lukasz Fabianski (watching him makes you feel like he took up the wrong sport.)

Dani Filth does sound like he has a really sticky, well lubricated singing instrument. I can almost hear the mucous being produced.

sam, HIM arent really metal though. Theyre more hard rock while fob arent. But they prob share a part of each others audience at least as far as kerrand kids go

+ fob have actual tunes.

nah

ok halfway through and i'm turning this off for some Mandrills. 1/4 so far (Entombed) for actual enjoyment. Will listen to COF tomorrow and try to download the Mastadon when Sunday maybe.

Maybe i should have picked the more accessible Kyuss album then

A hoy hoy, do you feel the same way about the HIM track I posted? I agree with you about this week's album though.

(So far, Fate's Warning is bringing back memories of listening to Queensryche on my Walkman while riding my bike the summer I was 13. Some good guitar solos too.)

i haven't checked the yt but will tomorrow

hes funking it up tonight

listening to the fates warning right now. can't say I have any serious problems with it but it does seem kind of plodding and clunky. some of the choruses are near fist-pumping territory; this would probably go down smoother w/a couple brewskis.

I bet my guitar major buddy is into these dudes.

you make john justen shudder saying that

then some of this might as well...

listening to the cradle of filth record. anyone make a dethlok comparison? this is the dethlok of black metal right here.

anyway, this ain't all that bad either. totally cheesy but lots of metal is, so whatevs. a lot of this strikes me as tedious; esp. the slower numbers like "english fire" (tho the hammerheart backing vox are a nice touch).

like the maiden-ey leads that they sprinkle throughout.

opening of "gabrielle" belongs in an RPG. i'm thinking maybe a chrono trigger outtake? and I see where people are going with the "embarrassingly intimate" coments after that spoken word bit at the tail end of the track.

"gilded c-bomb" is the best track so far. everything on it works to their strengths and it's surprisingly heavy.

also, holy shit, this thing is really long. it's 77 mins total but it's not just the length of the whole album - every track so far has overstayed its welcome. don't think I'm gonna make it through this whole thing...

i'd like to participate in this but missed the first week, and am not really interested in what's going on this week. i like metal a lot but don't really have a solid knowledge of it. this thread is going to do wonders for me, i can see it now.

i did pick up the entombed record though, as it was the only one of the three that i hadn't heard. great stuff!

You can still discuss previous weeks albums. Feel free to do so, that is why Mordy wanted it all on one thread.

Still haven't chosen all three of my records for tomorrow...

So after some more listening, I'm not entirely sure what to make of the Fates Warning. It's not doing that much for me beyond the nostalgia I mentioned above. I have no problems with the style but this presents no surprises at all. I feel like I want it to be more of something: either catchier, heavier, or more complex. Scale the Summit, Hammers of Misfortune, or White Willow hit my pomp/prog spots much more than this does. "Eye to Eye" is not bad hard rock pop music though. The singer does sound an awful lot like Steve Perry, whom I actually like.

I like the HIM album better as emo-pop on second listen. It's the kind of thing where I recognize its crassness but don't want to turn it off at the same time. Even my girlfriend was surprised by how poppy this was.

I'm still scared to listen to the Cradle of Filth.

it wont scare you

unless you're scared of the monsters in Scooby Doo

Ha, I just meant "scared" because Cruelty and the Beast wasn't to my taste. I listen to heavier things all the time.