Mordy's Metal Listening Club - New Albums Every Monday

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Sam if you scroll up you will find some Mastodon youtubes.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 21 April 2010 20:36 (4 years ago) Permalink

:D Well I think I have heard less metal records than there are metal genres, so I think we are ok on knowing whether I like everything or not.

tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 21 April 2010 20:37 (4 years ago) Permalink

If you tell us what you do like, I'm sure we would all be happy to recommend you stuff in that vein/we might think you will like.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 21 April 2010 20:40 (4 years ago) Permalink

That goes for anyone reading the thread. I like people recommending me stuff too btw (hint hint)

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 21 April 2010 20:41 (4 years ago) Permalink

I don't know what I really like yet! And I'm cool with just taking the backseat atm.

tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 21 April 2010 20:42 (4 years ago) Permalink

Mastodon are Didier Drogba - strong,punishing ,classy with great skill but a bit petulant.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 21 April 2010 23:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

not an arsenal player damn you wenger for not paying the extra 500k before he went to marseille

tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 21 April 2010 23:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

viera then?

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 22 April 2010 01:42 (3 years ago) Permalink

Aside from glenn, is anyone other than me familiar with any of HIM's previous albums? I definitely thought that Venus Doom was an unquestionably metal album (if a rather poppy, gothy metal album) but this does sound like a departure to me so far. Also, it sounds like crap so far (and I actually enjoy radio emo).:P

(My girlfriend is a big HIM fan. We sang "Wings of a Butterfly" as a karaoke duet once.:P)

Sundar, Thursday, 22 April 2010 02:14 (3 years ago) Permalink

By way of comparison:

Sundar, Thursday, 22 April 2010 02:15 (3 years ago) Permalink

Now I'm trying to pinpoint exactly what the differences are that make me identify these albums as different styles...

Sundar, Thursday, 22 April 2010 02:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

ok, fates warning. just going to have to judge this off the one song i seem to be able to stream on grooveshark. inoffensive i guess? def hits the same queensryche hate vibes mentioned upthread, although it is better than that horseshit. idk, i get it, but not really for me, not getting as much of a prog-metal dream theater vibe as other people are, which is good, this just sounds like mainstream relaxing metal for metallers stuff. not bad at that tho. not running out to buy it in the near future tho.

song was eye to eye btw

HOT DISH THYME MACHINE (jjjusten), Thursday, 22 April 2010 05:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

ok going to go ahead and liveblog the cradle of filth experience.

Devil Woman is cheeeeeeeeeezy, kinda sub par kinda boring. too much industrial undercurrent done the wrong way, also this guitar player sucks.

HOT DISH THYME MACHINE (jjjusten), Thursday, 22 April 2010 05:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

hate the drum sound here on the intro to soft white throat, but that is not really their fault, its a shit drum sound that i hear on lots of stuff from the era.

vocals sound cartoony to me? kind of a fake evil going on here, maybe ive just been bent by listening to peste noire too much.

ok stutter vocal was irritating, but the post part here is better than anything else so far. still some sort of clinical separation in the recording that is distracting from whats going on. theres no density here - which is kind of frustrating, because if there was, i would prob be digging this. song screams for heavy, and there isnt any here.

HOT DISH THYME MACHINE (jjjusten), Thursday, 22 April 2010 05:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

so uh what the hell is going on here (bestial bitch)? now its all halfassed motorheady, but with scratchy doubletracked vocals? again, this could be kind of great but its like this band is listening to a lot of stuff and not really making good choices about how to put it all together.

ok now its prey and its the best thing so far, by far. hated the intro, but i could listen to this (less the DUMB mindless self indulgence synth stab noise shit going on in sometimes). and now, its all mediocre synth bridge which sucks a lot. and now its back to the song, but ehhhhh. also that drum thing that just happened was crap.

this seems to be a band that could be good but is too busy fucking around outside of what they can actually do well (which given my U1v3r and SGM and whatever leanings seems like a strange thing to criticize but).

cant help but feel that for a second there i heard a band that might be pretty good, but is too distracted.

track 5 seems like the best thing so far despite my evanescence puke reaction. still, the guitar is just so LAME, and i dont need like shredder stuff going on, but can this dude (dudes?) actually play beyond a simple functional level? i am now to the part where there is a dual guitar lead and still, this is hitting me as dumbed down "metal guitar", theres nothing really interesting going on here.

ok so the crowley cover just started and i am either going to be super stoked or really pissed. just started to kind of obsessively revisit this song a couple weeks ago and i am kind of in the zone with it at the moment.

HOT DISH THYME MACHINE (jjjusten), Thursday, 22 April 2010 05:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

ok fuck you guys I HATE THIS A FUCKING TON. taking a legitimately creepy song and dressing it up in your crap arglebargle voice with a bunch of pitch shifting and then some badly executed half time blastbeats turns it into some clown shoes LOOK AT ME I AM SPOOKY garbage. this is tex avery moustache twisting evil. yuck.

HOT DISH THYME MACHINE (jjjusten), Thursday, 22 April 2010 05:49 (3 years ago) Permalink

not sure that HIM is metal so far but i would def rather listen to this than cradle of filth.

HOT DISH THYME MACHINE (jjjusten), Thursday, 22 April 2010 05:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

actually, first song has some kind of amazing pop-metal nostalgia going on for me. throat screamy thing out of nowhere is pretty cool, and doomy monk chorus in the middle is pretty cool. surprised, but theres something going on here that works for me. and this is def a pop informed metal prob hard rock album, but they are sneaking in some cool shit here, and doing decent pop shit as well (on the second track now, which is like some sort of popjizz explosion for the most part, but i am digging it.)

if i was going to draw a totally unsolicited compare/contrast thing here, cradle of filth is positioned as a metal band sneaking in pop, and HIM is some sort of pop/rock/poppunk thing sneaking in metal, but these dudes are making me buy it and COF sounds like a bunch of teengrabbing bullshitters.

third song is semi-awesome pretty pop but fails on the metal side so far.

HOT DISH THYME MACHINE (jjjusten), Thursday, 22 April 2010 06:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

Ok so tbf, I like this a lot. But more and more as a funtime party album thing, not so much a metal deal.

HOT DISH THYME MACHINE (jjjusten), Thursday, 22 April 2010 06:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

album is ok. trying hard not to be "death to false metal" dude here but eh idk. most enjoyable of the three by far.

HOT DISH THYME MACHINE (jjjusten), Thursday, 22 April 2010 06:17 (3 years ago) Permalink

wait til dan reads that you enjoyed HIM

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 22 April 2010 12:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

I wish I had more constructive things to sat tbh

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 22 April 2010 15:15 (3 years ago) Permalink

*say

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 22 April 2010 15:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

goddammit i accidentally listened to three songs from the nymphetamine bonus disc instead of the album itself

― call all destroyer, Monday, April 19, 2010 7:42 PM (3 days ago)

and upon further research that is exactly what i did as well, so all my COF ranting up there was about the bonus disc.

fucking hell

HOT DISH THYME MACHINE (jjjusten), Thursday, 22 April 2010 15:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

memo to lala users, the first result thats only 6 tracks long is not the one yer supposed to be listening to.

HOT DISH THYME MACHINE (jjjusten), Thursday, 22 April 2010 15:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeeeeah the actual disc is better tho i ended up having more than my share of complaints about it.

call all destroyer, Thursday, 22 April 2010 16:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

the real tragedy is that i cant unhear that garbage mr crowley cover

HOT DISH THYME MACHINE (jjjusten), Thursday, 22 April 2010 16:03 (3 years ago) Permalink

rofl

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 22 April 2010 16:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

but you dont mind the cliff richard cover?

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 22 April 2010 16:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

well i wasnt a fan, but it didnt offend me on a personal level

HOT DISH THYME MACHINE (jjjusten), Thursday, 22 April 2010 16:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

and the cof version?

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 22 April 2010 16:31 (3 years ago) Permalink

come on guys, where's the chat?

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 23 April 2010 12:11 (3 years ago) Permalink

Anyone playing catch up want to talk about last weeks albums?

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 23 April 2010 12:12 (3 years ago) Permalink

Gonna watch last nights 30 rock and then try the him/mandrills.

tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Friday, 23 April 2010 14:41 (3 years ago) Permalink

Just don't mistakenly try a Himdrill

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 23 April 2010 14:43 (3 years ago) Permalink

OK, a few things about Cradle of Filth, to end my picking week. I had long ignored them, assuming from the name that they were goregrind or some other grimy niche that I'm not really into. I gave Thornography a chance, for reasons I have forgotten, and really liked it, and that sent me belatedly scouring through the back catalog. I like most of it, including some of the dubious-sounding EPs and compilations. Godspeed on the Devil's Thunder is probably the first whole record of theirs I've been actively disappointed with. (But I saw them on tour for it, and they were still fabulous.)

Nymphetamine may or may not be my favorite, but it's the one that seems most intriguing on its own, to me, precisely for its tension between flagrant cryptic ugliness and goofy goth-pop ambition. In a way it finds Cradle of Filth trying to be both Dimmu Borgir and HIM, at once. Easy enough to hate, for many reasons, but for me the artistic risk involved is admirable for its own sake, and obviously it doesn't hurt that I like the effect, personally. I'm a devoted metal fan, but I'm also an unapologetic pop fan, and a fan of a lot of other things, and I have no purist agenda for any of them. Cross them all! Cradle of Filth is plainly wearing "evil" as a costume, but I guess it basically always seems like a costume to me. I don't inherently take Emperor or Gorgoroth or Bathory any more seriously. Anybody who was "really" evil wouldn't be wasting their time writing songs about it.

If this were a three-song listening club, I might actually have used that bonus-disc cover of "Mr. Crowley". I like their own material better, but hearing them take something familiar and transform it kind of demonstrates their style and agenda even more succinctly. Could have done HIM's cover of "Wicked Game", and one of the many Dream Theater covers in place of Fates Warning. Or maybe Anacrusis doing NMA's "I Love the World"...

glenn mcdonald, Friday, 23 April 2010 14:49 (3 years ago) Permalink

is it artistic risk though? Im pretty damn sure it's the sound of a "band" (they have a constantly changing line up dont they?) trying to stay accessible to the kerrang kiddies so they sell loads of records and make money. I dont see dani filth as having any artistic integrity at all.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 23 April 2010 15:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

And these bands doing covers is purely aimed at MTV/Radio play. Fuck that.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 23 April 2010 15:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

Integrity usually makes for boring music, IMO. I like the Cradle of Filth. I like singers who do weird things with their voices - it's one of the areas where metal bands can break out of the fairly rigid formal constraints of the genre and do something really surprising.

o. nate, Friday, 23 April 2010 15:30 (3 years ago) Permalink

If this were a three-song listening club, I might actually have used that bonus-disc cover of "Mr. Crowley".

hahahaha that might have made me erupt in a full on hatesplosion

Q: What's brown and Sticky? A: The insect that lives in your stomach (jjjusten), Friday, 23 April 2010 15:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

i am going to go back and listen to the straight album if i have time over the weekend and give it a fair shot.

and obv given some of the stuff i champion around here i am totally down with singers that do weird stuff w/their voice, but nothing i hear in COF is actually weird, its just kind of cartoon scary, almost like a parody of what i hear when weird/scary works.

Q: What's brown and Sticky? A: The insect that lives in your stomach (jjjusten), Friday, 23 April 2010 15:38 (3 years ago) Permalink

Integrity usually makes for boring music, IMO.

"integrity" is also a vague term that can mean anything to anyone. it's fairly useless to talk about it in music criticism, imo.

¬_¬ (Alan N), Friday, 23 April 2010 15:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

Maybe the COF vocals are not weird by the standards of extreme metal, but I think they sound weirder in the context of COF's music, because they're going for something with a bit broader appeal and the vocals contrast with the more commercial elements. There can be something almost embarrassingly intimate about listening to the sound of saliva rattling around in a guy's throat. It's a rather vulnerable and naked way of producing sound - in contrast to the tough guy distancing effect of playing a guitar through loads of pedals and amplifiers. And in conjunction with the overtly sexual lyrics of COF, it makes for a unique effect.

o. nate, Friday, 23 April 2010 15:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

HIM- Anyone want to explain why this is metal and Fall Out Boy is emo pop? Is it because Fall Out Boy have sex with hot girls and HIM like that heart/star symbol thingy? Only two songs in and this is a Lukasz Fabianski (watching him makes you feel like he took up the wrong sport.)

tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Friday, 23 April 2010 15:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

Dani Filth does sound like he has a really sticky, well lubricated singing instrument. I can almost hear the mucous being produced.

Mordy, Friday, 23 April 2010 15:59 (3 years ago) Permalink

sam, HIM arent really metal though. Theyre more hard rock while fob arent. But they prob share a part of each others audience at least as far as kerrand kids go

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 23 April 2010 16:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

+ fob have actual tunes.

tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Friday, 23 April 2010 16:03 (3 years ago) Permalink

nah

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 23 April 2010 16:05 (3 years ago) Permalink


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