Mordy's Metal Listening Club - New Albums Every Monday

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I like early bright eyes , but keep conor away from metal!

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 19 April 2010 19:58 (4 years ago) Permalink

throwing in a vote for eluveitie's Slaina album.

forksclovetofu, Monday, 19 April 2010 21:45 (4 years ago) Permalink

Eluveitie is remarkable. I can't wait for folk metal week(s) (there's so many of it!).

Mordy, Monday, 19 April 2010 21:48 (4 years ago) Permalink

Btw, I just wanted to give kudos to kerr + glenn. Both weeks are really productive in terms of how the albums speak to one another, especially in unpredictable ways. These three albums clearly share something (some kind of gothic sublimity), though how they go about it is so different from each other. More to say on this after I've listened to the albums a bit more, but esp Fates Warning w/r/t HIM, where one expression is elongated, bombastic, stylized in a really familiar metal way and the other is more softened, pop, mall-style (whatever that may or may not be), but both seem to be drawing from similar impulses. The theatrically occult, the dramatically morbid. Cradle of Filth too, tho there the voice is doing such weird things (it's almost insane, the more I listen to it -- it's like a voice of total lunacy in such a really interesting way) that it's hard to really compare it with the other two. Ie: It's hard for me to get past the voice. But clearly they're all covering similar aesthetic terrain, but in such different (chronological, stylistic) ways.

Mordy, Monday, 19 April 2010 21:51 (4 years ago) Permalink

One thing I'm interested in w/r/t metal is how often it's coded super masculine (Deena Weinstein writes about this a bit in her book), but stuff like this week's albums seem to undermine that. It's so theatrical and esp re: HIM very soft almost, without the hard masculine edges you expect from metal. (I used to see this a lot when I hung around metal/punk forums and something like HIM would often be called "gay," or something like that which indicates the listener's discomfort at hearing something that doesn't conform to the expectations of metal music.)

Mordy, Monday, 19 April 2010 21:59 (4 years ago) Permalink

Another reason I hate Him is because they forced the Doug Scharin HIM to change their name despite doug having it first.

What Mordy says about COF/Him being "mallrock" they do get Kerrang covers and lots of teenage girls like them.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 19 April 2010 22:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

Actually, I think Scharin forced the Finnish HIM to release their US material as HER until they eventually paid him for right to share the name.

For the curious, and especially those among the curious who think of Conor Oberst as the antithesis of metal, the second disc in the two-disc version of Screamworks is Valo doing hushed mostly-acoustic versions of the whole album. Really.

glenn mcdonald, Monday, 19 April 2010 23:36 (4 years ago) Permalink

Haven't listened to this Cradle of Filth in a loooong time, think it still might be my favorite of theirs. They may be pretty much a cartoon version of an extreme metal band at times, but I still feel like this album is full of some pretty great riffs and solos. Love pretty much all of the guitar playing in "Nemesis".

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 02:47 (4 years ago) Permalink

Like the theatrical piano bit in "Gabrielle" would annoy me in pretty much any other band, but its all part of the CoF charm.

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 02:58 (4 years ago) Permalink

Hahaha this bit in "Absinthe with Faust" reminds me sooo much of the Tenacious D inward-singing skit. Never caught that before.

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 03:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

haven't listened to any of this week's picks yet but I'd just like to say that this thread has been top-notch.

¬_¬ (Alan N), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 14:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

I'll say a little about Fates Warning to start my day. My own personal creation-myth for theatrical progressive metal holds that Queensrÿche defined it with Rage for Order, but that it was Fates Warning's Perfect Symmetry and especially Parallels that made it into a genre, as opposed to just one band's particular style. (And later Dream Theater took it over and led it astray, but that hadn't happened yet.) Fates Warning always worked with a more muted and more limited palette than the other two, and although I think that eventually wore on me (A Pleasant Shade of Gray, in particular, seemed helplessly aware of its own drabness), in some ways it makes these earlier albums more intriguing. I.e., anybody can make complex-seeming music by layering enough stuff onto it, but to make complex music with fewer layers you actually have to compose it.

I know for some FW fans the Arch era is the only one that matters, but I admit I never learned to love his singing. Alder, conversely, I adore. The Journey comparison is both cheaply dismissive (Alder and Perry belong to a long tradition of singing that neither of them remotely invented, and Perry is the notorious poster-child for its wimpiest manifestation) and technically accurate (they do both belong to it, clearly). For me the key thing about Alder's style on Parallels is that he provides the legato ties that hold together the twitch-shifting turns of the music behind him. In a lot of metal, everybody goes full-speed, or full-force, or whatever full-thing the band happens to be going for. Contrast isn't unheard-of, but metal's defining quality it ain't.

glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 20 April 2010 14:51 (4 years ago) Permalink

listening to "abinsthe with faust" from nymphetamine right now (a++ title if nothing else). this album has some catchy riffs for sure but i can't really get w/the camp/goth elements and terrible keyb/string sounds.

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 20 April 2010 18:58 (4 years ago) Permalink

somewhere near the end now and i'm pretty bored. i was surprised by "guilded c***" because it was pretty aggressive and i thought this band wasn't really like that. so the rest of it has been disappointing me by fulfilling my expectations. also: TOO LONG!

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 20 April 2010 19:33 (4 years ago) Permalink

soooo many piano/ambient/fake-choir intros and outros

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 20 April 2010 19:47 (4 years ago) Permalink

Am a week behind but I'm gonna try this Emtombed thing once the football ends.

tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 20:37 (4 years ago) Permalink

It's ended

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 20:37 (4 years ago) Permalink

Thus the week behind. Let a fella catch up, gonna still get in all of this weeks listening.

tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 20:46 (4 years ago) Permalink

"All ILXors and Lurkers welcome!*"

*except ones that saw this thread a week late.

tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 20:47 (4 years ago) Permalink

I think he meant that the match is over. You're welcome to keep talking about last week's albums.

glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 20 April 2010 20:55 (4 years ago) Permalink

ah glenn, you and yr logic.

currently listening, and enjoying. being roughly the 14th metal record i've ever listened to though, i have nothing to say about it as I don't yet know anything else about the genre that falls into 'i like this' or 'i don't like this'.

tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 20:57 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeah, the silly sod posted after the game already finished

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 20:59 (4 years ago) Permalink

winston feel free to give albums ratings based on arsenal players ;)

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 21:00 (4 years ago) Permalink

cradle of filth is definitely a Lolmunia to my eyes

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 21:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

Kyuss - Armand Traore (Talented sure, but needs to grow a fucking pair before worthy of actually playing.)

Entombed - Thomas Vermaelan (Hard headed motherfucker, like a lot against my better judgement.)

tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 21:04 (4 years ago) Permalink

If Entombed is actually some weak shizz then my bad, 14th metal record and all that.

tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 21:05 (4 years ago) Permalink

i thought you were checking out the EOY metal polls?

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 23:48 (4 years ago) Permalink

I meant to and forgot. Still have the spotify playlist, so I may still sometime.

tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 23:51 (4 years ago) Permalink

you said that about the 2008 poll!

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 23:52 (4 years ago) Permalink

I actually downloaded and listened to a bunch of them! The few metal records I have actually listened to are basically 10 random 2008 things and a couple Sabbath things.

tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 23:54 (4 years ago) Permalink

you need to get to it

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 21 April 2010 00:57 (4 years ago) Permalink

So the Fates Warning 30-second clips on iTunes are not giving me hope. I never "got" Dream Theater either.

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 21 April 2010 02:17 (4 years ago) Permalink

The Fate's Warning is way better than Dream Theater.

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 21 April 2010 02:28 (4 years ago) Permalink

Absolutely, Dream Theater doesn't compare to early Fates. Awaken the Guardian is actually the album of theirs I prefer.

A. Begrand, Wednesday, 21 April 2010 02:31 (4 years ago) Permalink

Well, that gives me a little more motivation to give it a spin, but still not entirely sold.

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 21 April 2010 02:51 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I think my biggest problem will be the earnest, smooth vocals. I like harsh, growling vocals in my metal. I don't like being soothed. Have a feeling I'd like an instrumental version much better. But away we go...

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 21 April 2010 03:04 (4 years ago) Permalink

^^ Agreed x100

Mordy, Wednesday, 21 April 2010 03:05 (4 years ago) Permalink

The musicianship on display is fantastic, so I totally get that part of the appeal.

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 21 April 2010 03:09 (4 years ago) Permalink

Seven songs in now and I would definitely have to say I'm enjoying this quite a bit more than any of the Dream Theater I've heard, but the vocals are still not doing a thing for me. The guitar work (is most of this Matheos? don't know the history of this band) is fantastic, easily my favorite part.

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 21 April 2010 03:43 (4 years ago) Permalink

Wrapped up with "The Road Goes On Forever" which represents exactly what I don't like about this sort of thing - really earnest and borderline cheese lyrics, showy percussion that reminds me of new age music, and a just general too smooth vibe.

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 21 April 2010 03:54 (4 years ago) Permalink

The problem with the fates warning album, is that it reminds me of Queensryche, who I thoroughly despise. But at least it's not as bad as Queensryche or Dream Theater.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 21 April 2010 12:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

I really liked their first EP and The Warning when they came out. Haven't heard either in 20-odd years though.

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 21 April 2010 12:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

They being Queensryche, obv.

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 21 April 2010 12:51 (4 years ago) Permalink

when john justen gets his shot, he must pick Ulver, OK? Dan agrees.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 21 April 2010 15:04 (4 years ago) Permalink

Listening to that Fates Warning album makes me nostalgic for a time when metal was more commercially relevant - in particular that early '90s period when stuff like Queensryche, Kings X, and Rush could be commonly overheard blaring from college dorms.

o. nate, Wednesday, 21 April 2010 18:00 (4 years ago) Permalink

Also stuff like Living Colour and Jane's Addiction.

o. nate, Wednesday, 21 April 2010 18:04 (4 years ago) Permalink

doing fates warning now. i don't really have a lot to say--i'll make it through the whole thing but i really dislike this type of music. i would like to point out that the drummer sucks though--he is basically intentionally making the songs choppy and grooveless.

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 21 April 2010 18:59 (4 years ago) Permalink

I agree that the drumming is not going for groove, but strongly disagree that that means it sucks...

glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 21 April 2010 19:51 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeah i did not mean to imply a direct relationship there necessarily--basically dude is just in the wrong band.

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 21 April 2010 19:52 (4 years ago) Permalink

I recently rechecked my old copy of Parallels and I loved Mark Zonder's drumstyle. Very neatly executed, complex, but not as overblown as Mike portnoy.

Marty Innerlogic, Wednesday, 21 April 2010 20:03 (4 years ago) Permalink


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