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omg that elephant man christmas song is amazing! i think it's called badman holiday on the badman holiday riddim.

― toby (tsg20), Sunday, 2 November 2003 16:42 (twenty years ago) link

you can hear a clip here:

http://www.soundquake.com/?page=shop/browse.php&svRiddim=Badman%20Holiday&

and the whole track's on slsk...

― toby (tsg20), Sunday, 2 November 2003 16:44 (twenty years ago) link

hey Bigger n Better Boss dude, that's elephant man's 'blase'. it's one of those one-off riddims i think tho, like 'tamale' or 'too boasi'

― prima fassy (bob), Monday, 3 November 2003 08:35 (twenty years ago) link

I love the Spanish Fly riddim so much! It's so chirpy and upbeat!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 03:33 (twenty years ago) link

i can't quite nail what it is about 'girls gone wild' riddim i like, something quite homely and retro rather than the flash of late but t stephens - 'girls need thuggin' rewls

― prima fassy (bob), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 09:42 (twenty years ago) link

something to do with the brown/blue label colour maybe

― prima fassy (bob), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 09:43 (twenty years ago) link

tim did u ever hear sizzla's one on baba (vybz banwagonist riddim), it was ripe for yr skykicking thing!

― prima fassy (bob), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 09:52 (twenty years ago) link

The only thing I've heard on that riddim is "bandwagonist" itself, and that like Spragga Benz'z "Move" is one of those fleeting tracks I loved on first sight and haven't heard since.

Some blogs noted that Sizzla's inclined to lose it and forget to come up with a tune - but I find even those tracks oddly fascinating, kinda like when you hear an 8-bar groove that totally doesn't work but you can't stop listening to it anyway.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 09:56 (twenty years ago) link

mm yeah this one's much like that, especially since the riddim itself is quite slick and frankly vybz owned it, he really defined it, so sizzla's strains just sounded that much more compelling. there is a chorus of sorts but it's more like an addled maunderer's madeleine rather than a structured refrain. puzzling to recognize where he's already been. but always mad catchy

― prima fassy (bob), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 10:28 (twenty years ago) link

cybele, what is your theory??

― mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 20:49 (twenty years ago) link

"addled maunderer's madeleine"

Yes! This is exactly what I love.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 13 November 2003 05:16 (twenty years ago) link

I like how Don Corleon's Trifecta (or Triflecta?) riddim is both quite obviously "Egyptian Part 2" and a deliberate attempt to out-mentalist the Sign riddim. Each time I think dancehall producers have taken these perverse counter-intuitive eastern vibes to their logical conclusion they rise the bar AGAIN.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 00:01 (twenty years ago) link

Check out the Sean Paul cut "Head Fi Toe" - astonishing!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 00:03 (twenty years ago) link

To whomever posted about the Ching Chong riddim where did you find it?

― Truth, Thursday, 20 November 2003 05:49 (twenty years ago) link

whomever, you dun know. ching chong's a funny one actually; i heard it on chris goldfinger's radio 1 show, which is usually a nice recap wash the dishes thing ut no one else anywhere is on it. dancehall's so desultory it's fascinating to see what sticks where, i can be a right ingram about it

― prima fassy (bob), Thursday, 20 November 2003 09:26 (twenty years ago) link

trifector's ok, i quickly get bored of the er throbby riddims (why pf why? i dunno) but there's some inspired xtra stuff on this one! the sparse sizzla one's ACE SKILL BRILL, haha ele spends about 5 seconds listening to the riddim and sez "right, horses please", tanto metro and dev is totally daft punk vocoder drama, daville's meltingly affectionate... i havent heard the vybz but it's totally predictable no?

― prima fassy (bob), Thursday, 20 November 2003 09:36 (twenty years ago) link

beenie/miss thing- dude is in the rap shops after def jamaica, i think it might blow!

― prima fassy (bob), Thursday, 20 November 2003 09:50 (twenty years ago) link

I think the Vybz one was pretty much what you'd expect, from memory. "Head Fi Toe" stands out like "Close To Me" stands out like "Feel Alright" stands out like "Get Busy" stands out. Something about Sean's singjay style manages to take the typical flow of the groove and stand it on its head.

If you mean "throbby" the way i think I don't think i could ever get sick of it! That's why I love Wanted riddim so much.

Apparently "Dude" is gonna be the first single off the new Beenie album. If so I'm really pleased - Tropical Storm was pretty disappointing and if Sean's success is anything to go by then straight dancehall is a better option than pasty-faced urban crossover stylings. Not to mention that "Dude" has one of the best chorus's ever, even if it's not actually Beenie's (for my money Baby Cham's performance on "Vitamin S" is better).

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 21 November 2003 01:02 (twenty years ago) link

Riddim id please: Sizzla's "All Is Well". Which is another one of those "Sizzla as the Jamaican David Bryne" inspired moments.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 24 November 2003 08:14 (twenty years ago) link

to qualify my tossed-off remark re throb trubs: obv to disown the throb would be arch mentalism, i dont know if its valid to even make the distinction really... but with dancehall i guess i cleave towards singles-in-a-perfect-world or at least def versions or yeah usually just the anomalous; with throb riddims i guess i was thinking of when a riddim sounds especially amazing in series and flow and where the vocals are subbed and desirable in a sort of generic 'add 2tsp jamaican' way. here it's harder to find personalised memorable versions where they might well disrupt the lovely tyrrany of the beat. yeah i know viral hardcore continuum etc everyone hops and feeds, voracious carnival, thats fun in theory and er dancing and all, but...

sometimes of course it's a virtue when a mc brings the very best out of a throb, say kiprich's one on, oh was it salsa? i mentioned it above. vybz is interesting cos he is v v good at riding in, becoming percussive, and has managed to conflate this into (into, not with) a darting low-slung character. for inst look what he does to panty raid riddim on 'bad man'. but yeah me and throb riddims: 'sweet to the belly' vs egyptian

― prima fassy (bob), Friday, 28 November 2003 13:42 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, i'll stick to chapped ellipsis

― prima fassy (bob), Friday, 28 November 2003 13:44 (twenty years ago) link

oh i heard sars in the end, as sean said ages ago wayne wonder's spare version is really bewitching but what i like most is it's the only one where you can make out that faint murmuring on the normal dub, if it was called anything else i might take it for crowd noise, hubbub, idle chatter but on a SARS RIDDIM! oh it's ghastly! and behind w wonder's love forever swoons and the piercing emergency-respiration-beep chorus, oh! you see him alone in a leper ward serenading his dying love, unrecognisable only to him by now but she's beautiful, and he's not wearing a mask and he knows he will also die soon but no he'll be home soon. driven home in a somnambulance

― prima fassy (bob), Friday, 28 November 2003 14:00 (twenty years ago) link

― prima fassy (bob), Friday, 28 November 2003 14:03 (twenty years ago) link

*speechless*

― gaz (gaz), Friday, 28 November 2003 14:09 (twenty years ago) link

"with throb riddims i guess i was thinking of when a riddim sounds especially amazing in series and flow and where the vocals are subbed and desirable in a sort of generic 'add 2tsp jamaican' way. here it's harder to find personalised memorable versions where they might well disrupt the lovely tyrrany of the beat."

I suspect I'm much more enamoured of hearing multiple versions of riddims mixed together because that's pretty much the only way I hear new tracks so it's now the primary way I *experience* dancehall. And I think that's why something like Dreamweaver appeals to me more than maybe it does you - hearing the new element of the tailored riddim come in at the same time as the new DJ (bouncy piano for "Visa", strings for "Hot Like Fire", screams for "Blessed") makes the contrast within the "changing same" much more marked, and allows the mood of the set to shift while using the same riddim. Whereas it tends to prevent a definitive version from emerging.

That said I can totally sympathise with your preference. As I said just upthread I really like the fact that all of Sean Paul's tracks sound like one-offs.

I've yet to hear anything on Sars! There's never anything on Limewire.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 29 November 2003 00:38 (twenty years ago) link

my experience of dancehall is much the same tho, haha oh if i go on like i'm a shophed it's cos i'm too boasy = envious at slsk etc or simply to give a diff perspective. i'm a rap luva disgruntled at vinyl kulcha at its lowest ebb, and grime is hardly the black plastic whirlwind one would like it to be, frankly, so dancehall provides a certain solace. "i can be a right ingram about it". but i wouldnt want to give the impression i dont love the things you love, far from it; what's key here is the word that stuck most in my craw later once i posted, 'memorable', and how i might use a def version as a glyph for remembering that experiential rush. but before we fall down this tangent let us remind ourselves how much lenky looks like ned raggett, and back away slowly

funny u should mention dreamweaver cos as much as i felt blessed's intro chico's 'thick and thin' is by far my favourite now. more on that elsewhere

― prima fassy (bob), Saturday, 29 November 2003 09:06 (twenty years ago) link

"the concept of the definitive text corresponds only to religion or exhaustion" yep aaaand yep!

― prima fassy (bob), Saturday, 29 November 2003 09:10 (twenty years ago) link

I'm gonna say stuff on all that later but can I interrupt proceedings to say: Elephant Man "Can't Stop We Now"!!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 1 December 2003 02:45 (twenty years ago) link

hm. counterruption!

― prima fassy (bob), Monday, 1 December 2003 04:44 (twenty years ago) link

my fave customisation of dreamweaver right now is assasin's "girls alone," just because of that squelchy 303 or whatever it is under the verses. it's very timbaland.

― rgeary (rgeary), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 09:26 (twenty years ago) link

that "one tump" rhythm is bonkers. it's like 2-step dancehall. wait! no, it's totally ska. haha, everyone seems to want to put laser sounds on it, appropriately. it makes my heart rate go up involuntarily.

― rgeary (rgeary), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 09:35 (twenty years ago) link

Mad Instruments Riddim = the new Coolie Dance surely (only with handclaps)? I mean that in the best possible sense.

Elephant Man's "Nah" in particular is great. I have a soft-spot again for T.O.K. ("Hotter Fire") though because they increasingly sound like some sort of South American marching band.

Fuck me I cannot BELIEVE the torrent of amazing stuff!!!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 02:39 (twenty years ago) link

Prima that site is invaluable! Serenade Riddim! And you were right about Ngozi too.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 03:12 (twenty years ago) link

Greensleeves should sell subscriptions to the riddim comps.

― Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 03:15 (twenty years ago) link

it is IMPOSSIBLE to find any dancehall comps from this year around these parts. though i found the bollywood riddim album mixed with the metal comps.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 03:17 (twenty years ago) link

Is the Vybz Kartel album supposed to be in stores? I've found other GS stuff, but none of the stores around here are carrying VK.

― Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 03:18 (twenty years ago) link

Hot Girl Riddim! Wireless Riddim! etc. etc.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 03:40 (twenty years ago) link

BTW the riddim on Sizzla's "All Is Well" is apparently the Cool Face riddim.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 03:40 (twenty years ago) link

is now when i just admit i gave up in september?

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 03:41 (twenty years ago) link

tim is that sizzla tune kind of slow with an effect on his voice on the chorus?

― gaz (gaz), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 03:44 (twenty years ago) link

ah, no i'm thinking of something else, sorry

― gaz (gaz), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 03:46 (twenty years ago) link

Ice riddim is awesome.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 03:53 (twenty years ago) link

Jess - don't give up! It just keeps getting better!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 03:56 (twenty years ago) link

I just heard someone (was it Paul Sci-Fi?) big up myself, Zemko, Ingram and some others on the Robbo Ranx show! ROXOR!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 05:26 (twenty years ago) link

haha!

― Paul (scifisoul), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 14:08 (twenty years ago) link

usually I check the archives, but since this was live thought it high time

― Paul (scifisoul), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 14:13 (twenty years ago) link

i've lost my mix cd. :,,(

― mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 14:28 (twenty years ago) link

Tim: But hasn't there always been a torrent of amazing stuff?

― cybele (cybele), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 14:43 (twenty years ago) link

tsk zzzz cybele! you can't honestly say dancehall doesnt have a totally giddy larval carnival vibe right now that it didn't have b4. but yeah secretly i do pine for some old dark boomy 94 gullyness... which is when sopranos or new brain riddims come along and cater

ooh anyway i dunno about babycham stealing fiesta but he totally wins on d kelly's nu 'pretty pretty' fake fiesta riddim!

― prima fassy (bob), Thursday, 4 December 2003 00:18 (twenty years ago) link

(can be heard early on in goldfinger's resurgent bbc radio 1 show last week btw)

― prima fassy (bob), Thursday, 4 December 2003 00:20 (twenty years ago) link

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