CRIKEY! Death by stingray (Steve Irwin killed, RIP)

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GREER OTM for the first time in a decade or so.

― Domenico Buttez (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 10:26 (seventeen years ago) link

This was weird - my 5 year old has been a big fan of Steve Irwin for a couple years. He loves animals and Irwin's cartoon personality appealed to him big time. Last night my wife and I were a little freaked about breaking it to him.

This morning we sat him down to tell him the news. He was quiet for a minute, then said, "If I hold my nose I can't blow out of it. Watch!" Ah well, we all mourn in our own way...

― Edward III (edward iii), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 12:35 (seventeen years ago) link

5 is too young to fully get the concept of death. Especially when he's going to still see the guy on TV, he won't understand.

― StanM (StanM), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 12:51 (seventeen years ago) link

At what age do you fully "get" the concept of death? I'm 36 and don't think I've managed it.

― Venga (Venga), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 12:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Plus, when Aunty Lily died seven days after Amber and Alice last saw her, I'll say they understood the concept.

As you say, someone dies that you don't actually know is something like empathy that you learn later.

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 13:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Here, they say "the later part of ages 6 to 11" :

http://www.mc.maricopa.edu/dept/d46/psy/dev/fall00/Death/concept.html

(just google "children" and "concept of death")

― StanM (StanM), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 13:06 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.mc.maricopa.edu/dept/d46/psy/dev/fall00/Images/butterfly4.gif

― StanM (StanM), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 13:08 (seventeen years ago) link

At this age you never know what they're going to "get". At least he can ruminate on Steve Irwin being dead for a while before someone he actually knows dies.

― Edward III (edward iii), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 13:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Daddy, Why Did the Crocodile Hunter Die?: One Father's Journey Into Explaining Hard Truths by Edward III.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 13:41 (seventeen years ago) link

completely sweet dude. seeing as he constantly courted death can't really be too sad - just have to sit back and ponder the quicksilver beauty that was.

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 14:26 (seventeen years ago) link

also grizzly man was a suicide, duh.

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 14:27 (seventeen years ago) link

The Greer piece really is very uncharitable. I usually quite like her.

making fun of a quote YOU JUST MADE UP = desperately unfunny

Absolutely, I was thinking exactly the same thing as I read it this morning.

― chap who would dare to start Raaatpackin (chap), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 14:29 (seventeen years ago) link

who the hell is the grizzly man?

― sunny successor (katharine), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 14:30 (seventeen years ago) link

srsly?

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 14:31 (seventeen years ago) link

someone who has nothing in common with Steve Irwin. I don't get why people keep bringing him up.

― Sam: Screwed and Chopped (Molly Jones), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 14:31 (seventeen years ago) link

cause he played with dangerous animals?

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 14:38 (seventeen years ago) link

he was a professional. he wasn't "playing".

neither was grizzly man but he wasn't a professional zookeeper/animal conservationist. He was just a nutter who had something akin to romantic love for grizzly bears and not the common sense or training that Irwin did.

― Sam: Screwed and Chopped (Molly Jones), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 14:40 (seventeen years ago) link

"grizzly adams" is the only grizzly man i recall.

― sunny successor (katharine), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 14:42 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost - He hung around with incredibly dangerous animals and then one of them killed him. The parallel might not go much further, but it's still pretty clear.

http://www.apple.com/trailers/lions_gate/grizzly_man/

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 14:43 (seventeen years ago) link

croc hunter: not playful, v professional, right.

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 14:43 (seventeen years ago) link

sunny:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0427312/

http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/again/archives/grizzlyman2.jpg

xpost duh

― Sam: Screwed and Chopped (Molly Jones), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 14:44 (seventeen years ago) link

double xpost: when killed the grizzly man was in an area that was off-limits to people b/c of the danger. he was not filming a documentary (video-blogging does not count) and he did not have professional training to be around the bears.

― Sam: Screwed and Chopped (Molly Jones), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 14:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Never saw any of his shows; when I first noticed him I assumed he was an American comedian doing an unamusing character.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 14:47 (seventeen years ago) link

there is no professional training for what the croc hunter did, because no one except him does crazy shit like that. the same can be said of the grizzly man.

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 14:52 (seventeen years ago) link

oh! i have seen that guy! for some reason i assumed you were all talking about some 70s era cousteau of the north american woods type.

― sunny successor (katharine), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 14:52 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost, he was the Queensland zookeeper!

― Sam: Screwed and Chopped (Molly Jones), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 14:52 (seventeen years ago) link

re: grizzly bear

WERNER HERZOG WOULD HAVE KILLED THE STING RAY WITH A BARB OF BANALITY AND MANKIND'S CRUELTY

― mr. brojangles (sanskrit), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 14:53 (seventeen years ago) link

when they teach you to be a zookeeper i bet they tell you NOT to pick up the rattle snakes and dangle them in front of your face.

(also judging from his wikipedia page he had no formal education, just learned the family business. griz man taught himself by living with grizzles for 15 years.)

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 14:56 (seventeen years ago) link

i just think it's insulting to compare him to grizzley man. not even the same ballpark.

― Sam: Screwed and Chopped (Molly Jones), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 14:58 (seventeen years ago) link

well their personalities were quite different. one was an supernaturally psyched, big hearted man-child. the other was a strange, suicidal misanthrope.

both were charismatic, daredevil, filmmaking conservationists who were killed by the dangerous animals that they got closer to than anyone else dared.

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 15:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Except that Steve Irwin was killed in a freak accident by an animal that stings many people, albeit not fatally, every single year, and Timothy Treadwell was killed by purposely going into an off-limits area well past season and being way too near to a hungry bear. It is kind of insulting, not because Treadwell was a bad man or something, but because it's insulting to people's freaking intelligence to keep saying this.

― Allyzay is cool: with Blue n White, with Eli Manning, with NY Giants (allyzay), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 15:09 (seventeen years ago) link

just cause he wasn't killed by the most dangerous animal he worked with doesn't mean he didn't risk his life regularly.

but yeah what treadwell did was more dangerous.

still wtf - obv parallel

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 15:12 (seventeen years ago) link

One was an eccentric nature freak killed by a sting ray the other was an eccentric nature freak killed by a bear. No, nothing alike in the slightest!

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 15:27 (seventeen years ago) link

steve irwin was so eccentric with his cable show and his wife and his kids and his wildlife conservation philanthropy and his appearances on the tonight show alongside joan embry and his love of prime minister john howard A TOTAL LOON IN FACT

― ath (ath), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 15:38 (seventeen years ago) link

i want the killer grizzly and the stingray to fight to the death

(his love of john howard is loony)

― timmy tannin (pompous), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 15:40 (seventeen years ago) link

>One was an eccentric nature freak killed by a sting ray the other was an eccentric nature freak killed by a bear. No, nothing alike in the slightest!

Steve was eccentric but could function in normal society and happened to luck into being able to make a living off his obsession.

Grizzly guy clearly had major psychological problems and used his obsession as means of escaping them.

― wostyntje (wostyntje), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 15:40 (seventeen years ago) link

LET'S TURN ANOTHER RIP THREAD INTO A SEMIOTICS ARGUMENT THAT DEFIES ALL FUCKING COMPREHENSION BY NORMAL PEOPLE WHO DON'T ASSOCIATE CELEBRITY DEATH WITH "A TIME TO GET INTO FITES OVER HORSESHIT"

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 15:43 (seventeen years ago) link

and then call other people loony!

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 15:43 (seventeen years ago) link

but that just happened

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 15:44 (seventeen years ago) link

people making this guy out to be some sort of maniac are fucking tools

r.i.p. crocman, you did good things for animals and therefore i salute you

― PARTYMAN (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 15:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Getting into fites over horseshit=accepting the fact that tragic deaths happen and carrying on as normal. I'm pretty sure everyone on this thread with one or two exceptions is sad that he died. You can't drop everything and be all miserable everytime somebody dies in the world.

― chap who would dare to start Raaatpackin (chap), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 15:50 (seventeen years ago) link

He almost singlehandedly gave us Animal Planet, which is awesome, and another first, I think, was that he showed the world that you could be a strong conservation activist and not spend half your time talking shit about how bad human beings are.

rest in peace.

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 15:53 (seventeen years ago) link

who even cares if people turn another RIP thread into a semiotics argument that defies all fucking comprehension by normal people who don't associate celebrity death with a "time to get into fites over horseshit" or not

― ath (ath), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 15:55 (seventeen years ago) link

http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=1311742006

"It's not the going in that causes the damage, it's the coming out where those deep serrations kind of pull on the flesh, and you end up with a very jagged tear which is quite a pronounced injury," said Dr Bryan Fry, deputy director of the Australian Venom Research Unit.

Is this to say that he may have lived if he hadn't have been so hardcore as to yank the barb out?

― always crashing in other people's cars (kenan), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 16:02 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www2.foxsports.com/obits/earnhardt/images/crash4.jpg

WHO WOULDA THUNK IT?

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 16:04 (seventeen years ago) link

this tuesday is definitely a monday since I've allowed myself to get in a froth over McMansions and the crocodile hunter.

― Sam: Screwed and Chopped (Molly Jones), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 16:25 (seventeen years ago) link

I see a trend here!

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 16:27 (seventeen years ago) link

...and so begins the animal revolution.

― always crashing in other people's cars (kenan), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 16:34 (seventeen years ago) link

*locks self in panic room*

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 16:46 (seventeen years ago) link

*puts on "Animal Day" by Wall of Voodoo*

― Edward III (edward iii), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 17:00 (seventeen years ago) link

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