Sea Devils And Die: GeroniMoffat's Doctor Who In The 2010s

remember how the doctor jumped '5 minutes' forward in the series -- only many years really elapsed? I wonder if he's right: if only 5 minutes did pass...

There's definitely something wonky, Churchill pointed out that The Doctor and Amy didn't turn up until a month after he called (yet he still managed to get back from the Dalek ship in linear time, I was fully expecting him to turn up in 1974 and wonder where Amy had gone or something)

me too. i explained it to myself that he wasn't using the time aspect of the tardis, just the space aspect. (as if the two were separable HA)

i thought it was a bit lame that the doctor waited until all but one of the british pilots were dead to realise that he could actually just hey, disable the daleks' shields.. and even then he had to be asked to do it by the last surviving pilot.

at least he could have been like woops sorry dude

This was a pretty badly done episode, IMO. How could the gravity bubbles get implemented in ten minutes? And the lasers too? Why was the Dalek ship an empty office building inside? How can a bomb be stopped by love, and isn't an oblivion continuum the thing that young time-lords stare into when they are inducted into the academy? I could be wrong about that, of course...

And I don't like the fat hunchback aspect of the new Daleks. I do like the colors though... reminds me of the comic books. Also the suspense of what the Daleks were doing on Earth and how they got there was done away with way too early in the episode.

Also, weren't the Daleks that were destroyed fro being "impure" the same Daleks that Davros had recently recreated from his very own cells? That sounds pretty pure to me... And Daleks are all clones and mutants anyway so that's kind of silly even if they were not from Kaled stock.

That piper-smith photo is 4 years old.

Aye, they've starred in a few things together so makes sense they could hang out together.

http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/42785872.html

Quite enjoyed this, it felt like Moffatt had to work out a way to make the Daleks a kind of constant presence in the universe rather than surprisingly re-emerging after having been destroyed throughout all time and space for the fifth time.

Amy not remembering the Daleks seems a good way of writing round the Rusty problem of having had the earth invaded nineteen times in the space of four years.

why did they need his testimony again? apart from for social network sites

Still not sure about the SUV daleks although I appreciate the reset. Much scarier as a constant presence.

Thought, could he have slipped into Rose/Evil Trigger Universe -> no torchwood, more cybermen, other ways to bring back timelords, the rani, the master etc.

why did they need his testimony again? apart from for social network sites

― mdskltr (blueski), Sunday, 18 April 2010 14:11 (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

dalek egg would not recognise the daleks as daleks as they were human blends and impure. However dalek egg would take the doctor's word for it.

> This was also the reason we all knew Davros was coming back as well.
> Diamanti Gallas (aldo), Tuesday, March 23, 2010 11:01 PM (3 weeks ago)

i think they made a mistake letting the one-armed dalek-related robot guy go...

I hope so, I reckon this is why 60s london was a wasteland.

I saw an FJ Cruiser today and immediately thought of Churchill daleks. Ed, you have given me a permanent mental equals sign between the two!

There's definitely something wonky, Churchill pointed out that The Doctor and Amy didn't turn up until a month after he called

it'll be a shame if they use this as an indication of the cracks IN TIME, since the Doctor always used to be complete rubbish at aiming the TARDIS properly on long jaunts (whether due to him not really knowing how to work it, or it having been in for repairs when he nicked it)

also pls NO MORE dramatic zoom-ins or close-ups on the end-of-episode cracks, the first one was nicely plain-but-not-overstated

feel like there should've been a scene where, as well as Churchill asking for the Doctor's help, he badgers him to reveal whether or not they do actually win the war. then again i guess the Doctor doesn't usually reveal to the people he meets that he can actually travel in time so he wouldn't necessarily know.

there was a bit where the Doctor almost said it without doing so - something about "you don't really need me to hang around" and so on

Another wrongness in time: Churchill mentioning Buckingham Palace and St Paul's Cathedral geting hit by bombs--didn't these two BIG buildings rather famously never get bombed?

Could be handwaved away by saying that the cracks in the universe have messed up the timeline.

How could the gravity bubbles get implemented in ten minutes? And the lasers too? Why was the Dalek ship an empty office building inside? How can a bomb be stopped by love, and isn't an oblivion continuum the thing that young time-lords stare into when they are inducted into the academy?

The answer to all questions is "timey wimey."

I don't think they want to handwave away the main plotline of the series.

Yeah, thought that one was a bit crap really. New fleet of daleks = much worse at shooting. Kinda agree with dalek that said positronic android brain (old Asimov idea?) being thwarted by memories of love was IMPOSSIBAL. Sudden appearance of space planes after ten minutes was laughable. More like the last series with running around + significant speeches + who cares what happens? we'll just invent some stuff to get round it, people won't notice because it's too exciting, whereas the last two episodes felt like they had stuff happening in them. The Doctor and Amelia relationship completely treading water (still a sense they were getting to know each other in the last two, this one it was like they'd been hanging round forever).

Shame, because I liked the Magic Lantern, (possibly only person?).

Assumed St Paul's thing was a deliberate parallel time bubble universe thing as well.

Wd very much like crack in time not to be a Master/Dalek/Cybermen plot, but some fundamental problem of decay or something (does the crack lead to the 'real' world? Maybe the Doctor was banished to this one as a result of his hubristic interventionism in the last series).

did they mention St Paul's by name - i remember "Wren's churches" which could be other buildings right?

On Buckingham Palace: The palace fared worse during World War II; it was bombed no less than seven times, the most serious and publicised of which resulted in the destruction of the palace chapel in 1940. Coverage of this event was played in cinemas all over the UK to show the common suffering of rich and poor.

kinda lol mostly interesting

My guess is that the crack in time is Timelords related, and very possibly Weeping Angels related as well. There was a hint of some kind of connection in the last Rusty story and I'd assumed Moffatt got him to put that in there.

1. Anyone else notice the (possibly sexytime) stares Amy was giving the lady communications officer?

2. I loled at how the soldiers who were zapped by the Daleks merely fell to the ground, dead, instead of being disintegrated. For all the snazzy new production values, it was a quaint touch.

But that's the way people have always died via Daleks. The disintegration ray is a max strength new super pure Dalek speciality.

she was worried about the lady comms officer's emotional distress, not trying to see down her tunic

I think she was supposed to look worried, but it did end up looking v. sexytime.

that is because Amelia Pond is hotter than the sun and cannot help looking sexytime

2. I loled at how the soldiers who were zapped by the Daleks merely fell to the ground, dead, instead of being disintegrated. For all the snazzy new production values, it was a quaint touch.

Also the one of the soldiers started acting "zapped" before the visual effect, and a bunch of times the Daleks speech and their lights were very badly out of sync. I think it was deliberate to add a bit of the feeling of the classic series, and since I don't think most people really notice stuff like that they can pretty much get away with it.

that is because Amelia Pond is hotter than the sun and cannot help looking sexytime

^^^for all time

^^^^yup

I'm going to show either ep 2 or ep 3 to a bar tuesday night. We'll see which one they vote to see, and how well it goes over.

LOL, was wondering what all that Paisley stuff was doing in the last episode, then googled Steven Moffat only to find out he's from Paisley... and then there's David Tennant of course

Neil thought it was a Tennant nod, I thought it was purely Moffat being Moffat. With Amy instantly knowing he was a "Paisley boy" from his accent, which didn't sound remotely like anyone I've ever met in Paisley, I though it was just Moffat giving a shout-out to his hometown rather than everything Scotland always having to be Glasgow or Edinburgh all the time (see also companion from Inverness).

Who would recognise a Paisley accent these days? There isn't one anymore, is there?

Well, aye, that was sort of my point.

Unless Bill Paterson had started going on about putting his bits on and sharpening a peencil

"We have to convince him he's human, get some kind of human reaction out of him"

"OK Paisley boy.... do you support the Hoops?"

"Partick Thistle"

"We're doomed"

Doubt anyone from Paisley has ever supported Partick Thistle!

Exactly..!

Like Snoop in the Wire asking the guy from New York if he liked K-Swift

Ah, I get ya

Snoop (the other one) is a Hoops fan

http://content7.flixster.com/photo/61/68/00/6168001_gal.jpg

But that's the way people have always died via Daleks. The disintegration ray is a max strength new super pure Dalek speciality.

I thought that Nu Who Daleks disintegrated its doomed human victims, while the prior series had a flash of light and the puny humans just falling over.

News flash: Matt Smith appears to have been dating Daisy Lowe for three months. That is all.

Should I know who Daisy Lowe is?

apparently this is Daisy Lowe:

http://jewelrypoint.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/daisy-lowe.jpg

beware her GIS at work btw unless yr boss is totally cool with models getting their tits sucked in fashion editorials