The RIAA Armageddon has begun

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I'm pretty sure it's considered Fair Use.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 15 April 2010 21:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

Actually I'm wrong. The RIAA does NOT consider that Fair Use. But they also haven't taken anyone to court over it. I can't imagine they'd win.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 15 April 2010 21:10 (4 years ago) Permalink

I'm sure playing the Beach House album this afternoon with my front door open also violates Fair Use. Frreal, eff these guys.

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 15 April 2010 21:16 (4 years ago) Permalink

RIAA vs. Diamond has mostly settled that, I think?

http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/is99/RioSpaceShifter.htm

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carson dial, Thursday, 15 April 2010 21:16 (4 years ago) Permalink

This is pretty telling:

Adam Bruneau, Thursday, 15 April 2010 21:18 (4 years ago) Permalink

itunes/amazon artist rates are insane.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 15 April 2010 21:24 (4 years ago) Permalink

sorry, too small, the big image is here:
http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2010/how-much-do-music-artists-earn-online/

Basically you need to sell over 1k albums a month in physical CDs or mp3s via iTunes, Napster, or amazon in order to make minimum wage. And if you get 4 million plays on Spotify then you still won't make minimum wage.

Adam Bruneau, Thursday, 15 April 2010 21:25 (4 years ago) Permalink

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/28/AR2007122800693.html

RIAA doesn't believe that case actually happened.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 15 April 2010 21:25 (4 years ago) Permalink

"Sony BMG's chief of litigation, Jennifer Pariser, testified that "when an individual makes a copy of a song for himself, I suppose we can say he stole a song." Copying a song you bought is "a nice way of saying 'steals just one copy,' " she said." This is just crazy!!! Are they saying we only pay for the right to listen to the music we have bought, but our ownership of the music ends with our ears?

Jacob Sanders, Thursday, 15 April 2010 21:36 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yes.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 15 April 2010 21:37 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yes, you can't even let your significant other listen to the album with you.

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 15 April 2010 21:41 (4 years ago) Permalink

next step of having to pay monthly fees to renew yr mp3s, can't wait.

FC Tom Tomsk Club (Merdeyeux), Thursday, 15 April 2010 21:47 (4 years ago) Permalink

Now that all music can be converted to a practically non-physical object by even an 8-year-old kid, is there really anything pointing to a future for the RIAA beyond Orwellian info surveillance?

Adam Bruneau, Thursday, 15 April 2010 21:49 (4 years ago) Permalink

The only rationale they can offer is that pirates are "hurting the artists" but please take a look at the above chart to see how well the legitimate industry treats those same artists.

Adam Bruneau, Thursday, 15 April 2010 21:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

let's also be fined for whistling the tune we heard on the radio. a lot.

thousands of masturbating weirdos (whatever), Thursday, 15 April 2010 21:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

Why stop there? How about paying royalties when you get an earworm?

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 15 April 2010 21:51 (4 years ago) Permalink

i already do. sadly for all concerned the royalty-paying is all in my head.

thousands of masturbating weirdos (whatever), Thursday, 15 April 2010 21:52 (4 years ago) Permalink

Has there ever been a good, in-depth comparison of the RIAA since 2000 versus the film industry freaking out over videocassette in the early 80s? I'd be really curious to see a side-by-side to see what steps were taken that lead to wildly different results.

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 15 April 2010 21:53 (4 years ago) Permalink

RIAA is going to be non-existent within 20 years, is my prediction

I won't vote for you unless you acknowledge my magic pony (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 15 April 2010 21:54 (4 years ago) Permalink

in-depth comparison of the RIAA since 2000 versus the film industry freaking out over videocassette in the early 80s?

these aren't even remotely comparable scenarios, sorry

I won't vote for you unless you acknowledge my magic pony (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 15 April 2010 21:55 (4 years ago) Permalink

"Sony BMG's chief of litigation, Jennifer Pariser, testified that "when an individual makes a copy of a song for himself, I suppose we can say he stole a song." Copying a song you bought is "a nice way of saying 'steals just one copy,' " she said." This is just crazy!!! Are they saying we only pay for the right to listen to the music we have bought, but our ownership of the music ends with our ears?

afaik, the riaa has always taken this position. they do so not because they intend to prosecute anyone for "committing the offense"(they've said they wouldn't prosecute someone for ripping an MP3 version of something they already own). they do so to avoid waiving other legal theories over which they would prosecute someone for "committing the offense."

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 15 April 2010 21:56 (4 years ago) Permalink

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thousands of masturbating weirdos (whatever), Thursday, 15 April 2010 21:57 (4 years ago) Permalink

is it just me or do these figures indicate that any musician wishing to make a living making music should just stop recording? there's no point in it. nobody thinks it's worth anything. if you want to increase the value of something, choke off supply. make a living via live performances and commercial/product placement recordings

I won't vote for you unless you acknowledge my magic pony (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 15 April 2010 21:58 (4 years ago) Permalink

these aren't even remotely comparable scenarios, sorry

Um, I would say that two industries dealing with new technologies that have a dramatic impact on the distribution of their major products are somewhat similar.

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 15 April 2010 21:58 (4 years ago) Permalink

nah. the scale is completely different, and is the key thing.

I won't vote for you unless you acknowledge my magic pony (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 15 April 2010 21:59 (4 years ago) Permalink

Well, yeah, the scale is a big difference. I'm not saying the two situations are exactly the same, but I still think it would make for an interesting study.

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 15 April 2010 22:00 (4 years ago) Permalink

well the film industry just took a page from the music industry and reacted by upping the product "quality" (ie, DVDs are better than VHS! "the quality is AMAZING!"). So as people replaced their tapes and records with CDs in the 90s, so people replaced their VHS copies with DVDs in the 00s. Except now DVD sales are tanking, and everyone's streaming/downloading TV and movies - and as filesharing of those media get easier, the film/TV industry will face the same problem the music industry has. I think the only real difference that they have to console them is their advertising revenues, which are deeply entwined with the media in a way that they never were with the music industry.

I won't vote for you unless you acknowledge my magic pony (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 15 April 2010 22:03 (4 years ago) Permalink

eventually everyone in these industries is going to have to accept that turning all their property into ones and zeroes was probably the stupidest, most short-sighted policy imaginable.

I won't vote for you unless you acknowledge my magic pony (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 15 April 2010 22:04 (4 years ago) Permalink

I'm not sure there was another option. LPs aren't a good long-term solution either.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 15 April 2010 22:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

CDs were a totally pointless product. I don't accept their "inevitability", especially given how shitty 80s CDs sound.

I won't vote for you unless you acknowledge my magic pony (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 15 April 2010 22:11 (4 years ago) Permalink

how long term is long term? LPs will reportedly survive a century

WTF cat with unfitting music (kingfish), Thursday, 15 April 2010 22:11 (4 years ago) Permalink

I think his point is that with the rise of the internet, demand for cultural content would have gotten everything converted to a digital format eventually. Of course, CDs helped to actually furiously accelerate this conversion process.

I won't vote for you unless you acknowledge my magic pony (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 15 April 2010 22:14 (4 years ago) Permalink

so at best, even if there were no CDs, this would have just delayed the inevitable.

I won't vote for you unless you acknowledge my magic pony (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 15 April 2010 22:14 (4 years ago) Permalink

(said hypothetical delay might have worked in the industry's favor though, because it might have bought them time to develop and nurture alternative revenue streams)

I won't vote for you unless you acknowledge my magic pony (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 15 April 2010 22:15 (4 years ago) Permalink

eventually everyone in these industries is going to have to accept that turning all their property into ones and zeroes was probably the stupidest, most short-sighted policy imaginable.

― I won't vote for you unless you acknowledge my magic pony (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, April 15, 2010 5:04 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark

the hell? more music is available more easily to enjoy in more different ways than ever. it's great! if it drives "the industry" into the ground, boo hoo

goole, Thursday, 15 April 2010 22:22 (4 years ago) Permalink

"CDs were a totally pointless product. I don't accept their "inevitability", especially given how shitty 80s CDs sound."

Man LP purist sure are focused on CD sound from three decades ago.

"I think his point is that with the rise of the internet, demand for cultural content would have gotten everything converted to a digital format eventually."

Yes, music was going to be packaged digitally and the size/convenience of that product was inevitably going to supercede early formats was my point. I was also thinking of the cost/eventual scarcity of petroleum for vinyl production as well.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 15 April 2010 22:23 (4 years ago) Permalink

Didn't realize how shitty iTunes rates were for the artist. Bought a local singer-songwriter's album today, I should have just pirated it and handed her a fiver at her next show.

a cross between lily allen and fetal alcohol syndrome (milo z), Thursday, 15 April 2010 22:23 (4 years ago) Permalink

I'm not really complaining (altho there are a lot of side effects of these industries' collapse which are unfortunate). I meant it was a stupid, short-sighted policy FOR THEIR INDUSTRIES.

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I won't vote for you unless you acknowledge my magic pony (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 15 April 2010 22:24 (4 years ago) Permalink

if you want to increase the value of something, choke off supply. make a living via live performances and commercial/product placement recordings

fwiw Courtney Love (!!!!!) basically said this a few years ago.

Astronaut Mike Dexter (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 15 April 2010 22:24 (4 years ago) Permalink

Man LP purist sure are focused on CD sound from three decades ago.

nah I think MP3s sound like shit too

I won't vote for you unless you acknowledge my magic pony (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 15 April 2010 22:24 (4 years ago) Permalink

fwiw Courtney Love (!!!!!) basically said this a few years ago.

and then she... made another album?

shut up Courtney

I won't vote for you unless you acknowledge my magic pony (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 15 April 2010 22:25 (4 years ago) Permalink

"nah I think MP3s sound like shit too"

Man LP purists sure are focused on 128k mp3s from 10 years ago, etc.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 15 April 2010 22:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

the gist is that she makes her money through the gate @ live shows. The album is the catalyst for a tour

Astronaut Mike Dexter (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 15 April 2010 22:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

That Courtney rant was basically just to get her label to renegotiate her deal. IIRC, Beck made similarly confrontational noises around that time, and then happily re-upped with his label.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Thursday, 15 April 2010 22:28 (4 years ago) Permalink

Man LP purists sure are focused on 128k mp3s from 10 years ago, etc.

lol

I hate some new stuff too fwiw

I won't vote for you unless you acknowledge my magic pony (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 15 April 2010 22:30 (4 years ago) Permalink

I'm an equal opportunity hater

I won't vote for you unless you acknowledge my magic pony (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 15 April 2010 22:31 (4 years ago) Permalink

why don't you increase the value of your posting

Shall I have feelings, or should I pretend to be cool? (latebloomer), Thursday, 15 April 2010 22:31 (4 years ago) Permalink

nyuk nyuk

Shall I have feelings, or should I pretend to be cool? (latebloomer), Thursday, 15 April 2010 22:32 (4 years ago) Permalink

I'm not sure there was another option. LPs aren't a good long-term solution either.

Almost every CD I bought in the last 20 years is utterly unplayable, whether through scratches or CD-rot. Yet I can buy a record from the 1940s at a thrift store and expect to be able to listen to at least 90% of the music.

Adam Bruneau, Thursday, 15 April 2010 23:14 (4 years ago) Permalink


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