Why does black people never want to rock?

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Blacks have composed, played, and performed rock music since its emergence in the 1950s, but the term “black rock” came to be recognized around 1985. At that time, guitarist Vernon Reid and music journalist Greg Tate joined with a small group of black musicians and music industry professionals in New York City to found the Black Rock Coalition (BRC). Reid was a young but accomplished musician whose work with avant-garde jazz artists such as Ronald Shannon Jackson had drawn critical attention. More significantly, he had recently formed the ground-breaking rock band, Living Colour, an all-black heavy rock band that would eventually score a string of minor hits on rock radio. BRC co-founder Greg Tate was beginning to establish himself as a journalist through his writing on black music in the Village Voice and to build a reputation as one of the major theoretical voices of the burgeoning hip-hop movement. Reid and Tate rightly recognized that the structure of the American popular music industry limited the growth of many black artists’ musical intentions, since throughout the era of rock ’n’ roll, the American music industry engaged in a kind of commercial segregation, placing black performers in tightly regulated categories designed to appeal to perceived demographics of the music audience, and it was rare to find a black musician given official sanction to perform the same with white rock.

http://www.jahsonic.com/BlackRock.html

Jan Geerinck, Saturday, 1 February 2003 23:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

The thing with this is the first post is asking about "why does black people never want to rock", yet you're specifying indie rock, which generally doesn't rock whatsoever anyway.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 3 February 2003 14:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

Well, for the most part.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 3 February 2003 15:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

It can very much rock. It might not funk, though.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 February 2003 15:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

why does aboriginals not want to funk?

the internet (scg), Monday, 3 February 2003 15:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

one year passes...
wow, in light of the OutKast semi-scandal, that's a very prescient post.

My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Monday, 16 February 2004 20:49 (twenty years ago) link

I suspect that many african americans perceive the "rock" sound to be white. Co-optation of the form has caused many to turn to sounds they can claim as their own. I can see this continuing with the present backlash/rejection of caucasion artists in the "so-called" backpack movement. Racism and all its cultural attachments "color" our perceptions for better or worse.

illcentric sounds, Monday, 16 February 2004 21:31 (twenty years ago) link

90 Day Men

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 01:27 (twenty years ago) link

John Mayer & Dave Chapelle to thread!!!!

Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 01:37 (twenty years ago) link

I rock everyday. However, I call it hip hop. I nod my head. I thrash. I break stuff... Uh okay I don't break stuff, I just fire off a few rounds on the desert eagle. Point is we been rocking. We did it with our gospel (speaking tongues), our blues, our jazz and OUR rock. How else we gonna get that out that frustration.

METALFACE, Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:40 (twenty years ago) link

I'm getting frustrated just reading this thread!

Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 21:22 (twenty years ago) link

Donna, do you like the Darkness?

Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 21:24 (twenty years ago) link

lemme think........NO

Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 21:39 (twenty years ago) link

why d'you ask?

Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 21:39 (twenty years ago) link

Why does black people never want to rock?

Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 21:39 (twenty years ago) link

oh, wait- DARKNESS! it's a JOKE!

Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 21:40 (twenty years ago) link

Wait, I didn't mean THAT!

Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 21:42 (twenty years ago) link

I know :)

Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 21:42 (twenty years ago) link

Do Husker Du and the Minutemen and Mission of Burma and the Replacements and (shut up! -ed.) count as ROCK?

Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 21:43 (twenty years ago) link

I have heard of this rock.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 21:43 (twenty years ago) link

Yes. This is good rock.

Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 21:44 (twenty years ago) link

Hurrah for rock! Let us nurture it, and it will grow big and warm with love.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 21:45 (twenty years ago) link

Corny indie fuck alert!!!

Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 21:46 (twenty years ago) link

I knew several african american soul coughing fans and they were sort of indie I guess.

ipsofacto (ipsofacto), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 21:48 (twenty years ago) link

Let us nurture it, and it will grow big and warm with love

hmm....

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 21:48 (twenty years ago) link

Jon, twenty years from now, sipping a Grolsch with tears in his eyes: "WOLF EYES MEANT SOMETHING TO ME, MAN!"

"That's nice, dear. Take out the trash."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 21:49 (twenty years ago) link

Jon, twenty years from now, sipping a Grolsch with tears in his eyes: "WOLF EYES MEANT SOMETHING TO ME, MAN!"

"That's nice, dear. Take out the trash."

20 years? My wife has that attitude now! (she's the sensible one in the family)

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 21:50 (twenty years ago) link

Well yeah, but Jon's still in college and finding his place in the world.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 21:51 (twenty years ago) link

I like Soul Coughing, but they do not ROCK

Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 21:52 (twenty years ago) link

Bluesk,

It's not exactly right to say that blacks invented rock. Rock grew out of the meeting between black and white rural styles. Listen to Chuck Berry: it's the blues meets country, black meets white. The notion that whites 'took' rock from blacks is just p.c. revisionist blather.

Tab25, Tuesday, 17 February 2004 21:54 (twenty years ago) link

i wish you hadn't referred to that post as it makes me cringe - black people invented everything tho, it's true. one specific black person in fact. his name was Carl.

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 23:02 (twenty years ago) link

I like Soul Coughing, but they do not ROCK
-- Donna Brown (summerbab...) (webmail), February 17th, 2004 8:52 AM. (Donna Brown) (later) (link)


Thats arguable.

ipsofacto (ipsofacto), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 23:09 (twenty years ago) link

who cares whether they rock or not? his voice cuts glass and that may be enough

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 23:16 (twenty years ago) link

I should let him know, I think he's looking for something to do with his time more and more these days.

ipsofacto (ipsofacto), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 23:22 (twenty years ago) link

Who is the BLACK Wolf Eyes?

Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 23:23 (twenty years ago) link

There aren't as many as whites, but, from my experience, when black people decide to rock, they rock even harder. (And i'm not talking about, ohh!! rocking by listening to hip hop, and that kind of shit, but rocking to what normally is considered rocking)I guess it has to something with the fact they are devoid of that white liberal guilt type of thing. Anyway, example: Bad Brains, no one can deny they fucking rock in every traditional metal punk fist raising kind of way and do it extremely well.
Anyway saying black people don't rock is almost stereotypical.
Its basically the same with the latino stereotype. Your latino you must like salsa, and like to dance. Or if you like rock, you must like shit like Mana or Juanes (which I consider the Latin American version of Dave MAtthews Band). I personally despise dancing(well, salsa and merengue dancing at least, I actually like the Axl snake dance) and I hate both Mana and Juanes.

Cacaman Flores, Tuesday, 17 February 2004 23:33 (twenty years ago) link

Bad Brains rocks really now with all the HOMOPHOBIA and HR not remembering lyrics.

Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 23:35 (twenty years ago) link

homophobia?

Adrian (Adrian Langston), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 23:42 (twenty years ago) link

True Rastafarai does not tolearate no bloodclart batty men, etc:

According to 'Dance Of Days' at least, when HR was on a particular 'is babylon/is not babylon' trip he was prone to homophobic tirades. The guys not stable and Bad Brains haven't really rocked since I Against I anyways..

mzui, Tuesday, 17 February 2004 23:51 (twenty years ago) link

apologies for wayward spelling folks.

mzui, Tuesday, 17 February 2004 23:52 (twenty years ago) link

This thread is weird. Here's my best shot at sorting out an answer...

Those who consider themselves music fans listen to multiple styles of music all the time. Those who don't, usually don't listen to music, or they limit themselves to listening to only a few styles. People of all races fall into both of these categories. Whoever asked this question, for some reason, has decided to place all black people into the latter category.

Yeah, this thread is horrible.

billstevejim, Wednesday, 18 February 2004 04:14 (twenty years ago) link

bad revival

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 14:13 (twenty years ago) link

I went to the Ratpure show with Steve(M) but there wasn't any room for me to rock.

Barima (Barima), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 18:57 (twenty years ago) link

POINT OF ORDER: Living Colour rocks harder; Fishbone skronks harder.

You know it's true.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 23:02 (twenty years ago) link

girl, you know it's true...okay, I'll shut up now

Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 23:04 (twenty years ago) link

NO KEEP GOING!!!!

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 23:05 (twenty years ago) link

I blame it on the rain. *looks out window and notices rain*

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 23:11 (twenty years ago) link

The main problem with Living Color is that their lyrics were awful and the singer sucked.

Tab25, Wednesday, 18 February 2004 23:11 (twenty years ago) link


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