Rolling Teenpop 2007 Thread

Samantha Jade, new album coming out on Jive. Didn't listen to much (2 streamed track, one sounds demoish and the other's from an OST), but she's from Australia and has kind of a Scandipoppy, er, Robynish maybe, voice over more R&B-pop style. Was on the Step Up soundtrack, which I'm thinking I should buy since you could probably get it for a buck.

I assume "Paula Dianda" is actually Paula DeAnda, who had a big hit with that song "Walk Away" earlier this year (not the Kelly Clarkson one!) 'Twas an OK song but didn't inspire me to seek out her other music and she hasn't had any big hits since so I haven't heard any of her other songs.

i think i heard a song called 'easy' by paula deanda which was v good - "when i'm out shopping it's like having a gun" was a particularly memorable lyric. it had...lil' wayne on it, i believe.

upthread:

Finally, has anybody listened to the Paula DeAnda album? Sounds as mediocre and forgettable and unexuberant and unbubblegum and fade-into-the-background-leaving-me-clueless-about-why-anybody-gives-a-flying-fuck as Ciara or Cassie or [fill in the blank] to me, but I'm willing to hear any reasonably intelligent arguments otherwise.

-- xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 6 January 2007 17:02 (5 months ago) Link

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[ps: I think maybe the blank-fill-in is Jojo, but I'm not positive.] [and I also probably heard a couple Ciara songs once I didn't hate.] [not that i hate paula deanda. she's OKAY. she might even be more interesting if she wasn't okay. even the lil wayne duet and the song called "good girl" seem so-what. and good girl and bad girl and good boy and bad boy songs are supposed to be good be definition!]
-- xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 6 January 2007 17:17 (5 months ago) Link

i've only heard 'easy' by paula deanda but i LOVE it. "when i go shopping it's like having a gun" - !!!

-- lex pretend (lex pretend), Saturday, 6 January 2007 17:20 (5 months ago) Link

i used to have a short-term memory

(That'd explain why I didn't find anything searching "Dianda"...)

Am I crazy for hearing Radiohead in the new Kelly Clarkson single? I expect her to start singing "fake plastic watering caaaaaaan"...and when she hits "away" she's almost a dead ringer for Thom Yorke! Song's gorgeous. (Her album leaked, but I'm holding off on writing about it yet.)

Also, Lil' Mama has a new single, On Fire -- no "Lip Gloss" beat, but she has a good time showing off.

er, "green," not fake

OK, one comment on the new Kelly Clarkson: good bass!

Anyway, Hazel at Stylus Jukebox sez re: HSM:

There are a few people I know online who like it a lot (Jessica and several others) and there’re also people from university who attempt to engage me in conversation about it as though I ought to like it. I think the audience in the UK is 18-25 females, mostly. It’s probably hormonal.

Is this true? Definitely an 8-12 type phenomenon in the states...why the (major) difference, if there is one?

now, more than ever, it is time for Paris Hilton to start work on the next album. The label dropped her last week, apparently (which seems like bad timing, to me).

I find the kelly clarkson, on first inspection, to be rather dull and hookless. A heartfelt, sincere collection of dirges. which isn't all bad, but not the greatness that the last album was, and not what I look for in pop music.

Word of warning: at some point in the next week, I will be writing a longish post on here about the Valli Girls.

(I hope you talk about "It's a Hair Thing"...)

On first listen to a raw low-quality rip of the Clarkson and actually think it's the dirges that shine (or whatever goth girls do in the dark) and have the melodies embedded in them, spend time beneath hulls and scraping barnacles, two definite for sure mud-scratching keepers in "Hole" and "Judas"; probably not as many good melodies as Breakaway and when it goes normal it's generally not as good as when it goes hard rock; best Kelly song ever (I mean better even than "Hear Me" and "SUBG"), "Maybe," isn't the soft-to-loud roar that the live version promised - sound is too clean, even on the dirty rip - but it's roaring in my head anyway just as "Because Of You" ended up roaring in my head; my ears will compensate for the soft arrangement. First time I heard it last year I immediately thought that "Maybe" was "Gimme Danger" without the decadence and without the "be my master/feel my disease" bullshit, though doesn't quite match Iggy's desperation (Iggy's desperation amps up to 11). The "Gimme Danger" that I'm thinking of is the live one on Metallic K.O., which has wretchedly poor sound but it's the great version of the song anyway, and that song more than the audience baiting in the second half of Metallic K.O. is where that show really matters. Iggy's voice is crawling through the glass and twisting across the guitar lines, doing all the things he made his body do, and his screams "I need so bad" seem to be the real deal (the flip to his "I just wanna fuck I don't want no romance" on one of the other songs), "I want to trust you to touch me love me love me and feel me and touch me 'cause I need I need oh I need," finally ending "I just wanna be touched no matter what happens"; and I hear Kelly's incessant maybes as doing the same thing, "I need to be loved, I just need to be loved, I just wanna be loved by you and I won't stop 'cause I believe in maybe ya maybe, maybe ya maybe, maybe maybe, we should know better than to touch the fire twice, but the thing is maybe ya maybe you might, maybe, like, maybe."

(Really glad that Nia and Matt are back to posting; worried that we lose are spark when there are too few of us on the thread.)

Debbie Deb has a myspace page!

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=55011617

I discovered this while linking from the myspace page of Planet Patrol III, whose first album in a quarter century or so, The Challenge is actually surprisingly good (planet-rocking most beautifully in tracks # 6, 8, and 11, which I don't know the titles of, and track # 5, which I know is called "Long Live Freestyle" because it's also on their cdbaby page, even though I never thought of their soul sonic sort of electro-rap as freestyle back in the '80s -- did freestylers?) Only other '07 album you could compare it to would be the new Chromeo album, Fancy Footwork, which I also like, Rockwell imitations on down. Prettier r&b vocals on the Planet Patrol III, in the tracks that use r&b vocals, than on any r&b record I've heard this year, but that probably just means I'm an old coot. Could do without the Zulu Nation-style "we are the warriors" chant track from a bunch of kids, but it's charming in its own way too I suppose. Anyway:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=110006873

And

http://cdbaby.com/cd/pp3

(Well, my copy, which is a CD-R, seems to be called The Challenge -- that's what they wrote on the disc, anyway. A different album title is on that myspace page, and they also have a different myspace page which takes hours to load on my computer, so fuck it. Also, naturally, they were merely called Planet Patrol back in the day, not Planet Patrol III, but I never really knew who their members were in the first place, so I'm not going to quibble.

Yeah, discovered that Debbie Deb MySpace several months ago! Been meaning to write her via MySpace to ask about something I've suspected for years but don't know: that the Debbie Deb who gave the third or fourth greatest show I've ever been to might have been an imposter. (Whereas the real Debbie Deb merely sang on the greatest dance single ever.) What was great about the show was the tension between the performer and what she thought was expected of her. If she was a hired substitute, that would make extra sense. (Also wonder if, assuming that the person I saw was a substitute, if the substitute was the voice on "I'm Searchin'" and "Wild Thing.")

I don't know if I ever heard Planet Patrol back in the day (assume there's some affinity to Soul Sonic Force but that Planet Patrol were an entirely separate act: were Baker-Robie produced, according to Allmusic, whose John Bush calls their album one of the few classics of the electro era. I would not be the first person to ask about common usage of the word "freestyle." My guess would have been that electro-funk would have been the word for Bambaataa/Soul Sonic Force and New York derivatives, whereas the aching tuneful Miami-and-back-up-to-New-York thing would have been called freestyle or Latin hip-hop, and the Miami rap derivatives that spread through the south would have been called Miami bass. But given that I haven't actually heard Planet Patrol (well, come to think of it you probably sent a track or two on a mixtape at some point), and that I knew nothing of such word usage back in the actual '80s, I'm basically talking out my butt.

Jay-Z on the Amy Winehouse "Rehab (Remix)" and I was thinking "Oh he's going to just show up and say something irrelevant or obvious," which is kind of true, he goes for obvious, but he does make me smile: "So I'm addicted, I'm Britney, Whitney, and Bobby/Betty Ford and ready for it, nothin' to stop me." (Amy herself is not exactly humorless, either.)

The new Kylie Minogue leaks are absolutely terrific.

According to Elle magazine, Clive Davis offered Kelly Clarkson 10 million dollars to replace 5 songs on the new album with songs from outside songwriters. Sadly, I wish she'd said yes.

I'm deeply loving the new Kelly album, but I'm not particularly <i>liking</i> it, if that makes any sense at all. It hurts my head and the whole thing is a huge tortured mess and I really love her! There are three or five unstoppable tracks, two or three meh tracks, the rest are...pretty good to very good. But I respect her decision to put out the album she wanted to make. It's funny, I'll be interested to see if we get the opposite attacks for this one you usually get for "turning pop" -- "damn, she's been infected by bullshit SERIOUS ROCK PRETENSIONS." (PS, the guitars on "Hole" seem to be set to "Arctic Monkey.")

Speaking of Kelly Clarkson, her playlist on VH1.com is amusing: http://www.vh1.com/artists/az/clarkson_kelly/artist.jhtml (Click "My Playlist"). Features Britney Spears, No Doubt, Outkast, etc. with Kelly cutely talking about why she likes each video. I was amused.

<a href=http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/arts/AP-Music-Kelly-Clarkson.html>;Kelly canceled her tour</a>. I'll have to find another birthday present now.

Stupid HTML.

From Britney's Web site:

"You'll Never See it My Way,
Because You're Not Me"

Britney is asking her most die-hard fans for some assistance in order to name her upcoming album.

Possible Album Titles:

1. Omg is Like Lindsay Lohan Like Okay Like
2. What if the Joke is on You
3. Down boy
4. Integrity
5. Dignity

Members of the Britney Spears Official Fan Club can vote by clicking here!

I think these are quite funny. AOL reported this as Britney mocking Lindsay, but I think the joke's on them. Or it's on Hilary.

Indeed, I also think the joke is on Hilary.

If Brit doesn't use title #1, someone else should. Lily Allen?

Strange but emotionally effective low-budget video for Kleerup f. Robyn "Every Heartbeat." Good post about it from Kat.

Metal Mike, via email (which he attached scans of the photos of the toys to, but I don't know how to do that so just use Google image search I guess):

i pass Subway walking/running back the 2 blocks from a 1st Rep bank deposit (owner's account) at work.

= Subway $3.99@ KIDS MEALS have

3 THREE
3 THREE
THREE 3 3 3 3 3 3 3

different "Hannah Montana" toys

2 of them are actually pretty cool
the 3rd one is inconclusive

i'll hack Google and try to link it (found the 3 pics on Ebay easy)

if a free Hannah Montana cool looking junk toy (2) wouldn't work at bribe/carrot for 72+ hours of good behavior until the day after Boards, nothing would/will

(ok, pictures on Ebay where a set of three counting postage goes for the same price as the whole meal/3 toys)

of course you have to go to TWO different shops to increase the odds of getting the cool "guitar" backpack clip

or be smart and watch someone open their toy at the first Subway you walk into

orrr you could just have me to it all day on sunday june 24th until the terror monsters have 4 total to fight over which 2 diff each one gets

that would only require TWO diff shops, if one of them had the GUITAR CLIP

if i starve myself until 3pm that day i might be useful also (for food procurement/Subway).

Not from Metal Mike, but via email anyway. (I thought these people's last album was boring, unless I am confusing them with Zoegirl or Superchick):

Nashville, TN (June 13, 2007) – The wait is almost over as the three-sister band, BarlowGirl, is scheduled to release their highly-anticipated third project on Fervent Records, How Can We Be Silent, on July 24.

The new album features 10 original compositions by Barlow members, Rebecca, Alyssa, and Lauren, and showcases deeper, more mature lyrics that signify the strength of this new project. The songs are a bold approach in standing up for God and fighting for what is right, with the cover artwork featuring the group in a boxing ring. The album even sports a song entitled “One More Round,” which is one of Rebecca’s favorites.

“It was inspired by a teaching on a Focus on the Family radio broadcast,” she recalls. “The guest was an ex-football player and he talked about boxing and how our spiritual life is like being in a boxing ring. It doesn’t matter how many times we are knocked down, we need to get right back up and keep following what God has for us.”

BarlowGirl has solidified their rock stature in the Chris tian and mainstream music scene with their 2004 self-titled debut and follow-up 2005 project, Another Journal Entry. The success of these two albums resulted in sales of over 550,000, four #1 hits, nine Dove Award nominations and the mega-hit, “I Need You To Love Me,” became the longest #1 single in Chris tian Radio Weekly’s CHR chart history at a record 13 weeks. BarlowGirl has been featured on NBC News/Today show, Associated Press, Sophisticates Hairstyle magazine, winner of Yahoo! Music’s “Who’s Next” series and recently was named the 2007 Youth Ambassador for the National Day of Prayer

A thread from a couple years ago:

Barlowgirl vs. Zoegirl

Christgau on their previous album:

Another Journal Entry [Fervent/Curb, 2005]
These three Christian sisters from Illinois specialize in arena-emo love songs to that perfect Guy, who unlike so many guys forgives them when they fail Him. One exception, if I'm not mistaken--and I may be, Christian code is a motherfucker--is "5 Minutes of Fame," apparently a message song for the "secondary virginity" movement. Not that they're in need of the secondary kind themselves--they're lucky if "maybe I gave in more than I should" (for "popularity") recalls anything heavier than a copped feel. Here's hoping they meet Sufjan Stevens at prayer meeting. C-

Well, at least Everlife had the sense not to be Barlowgirl, I guess...Radio Disney doesn't seem to touch any of their original material with a ten-foot pole (they get the Veronicas' potential, like, tenth single!).

Wait, is Xgau saying that someone would wanna bang SUFJAN STEVENS???

Not only that, I believe he's saying that Stevens is some sort of Serge Gainsbourg-esque corrupter of young beauties.

I'm still struggling to process the brilliance of that Britney poll. All would be great song titles too.

Apparently, Esmee's opening for Justin in Europe.

I love the "With Every Heartbeat" video. It's so looonely

Observer Music Monthly's teen issue, featuring roughly none of the acts mentioned on this thread. Unless I missed something.

Actually, no, Tokio Hotel get a passing mention.

I think Smoosh may have been mentioned in the 06 thread as well.

Abby McDonald on Tweenpop for AristDirect. Funny, I'm still planning an essay on children's agency and related issues, but I don't think I'll be calling it "The Kids Are All Right" any more.

Excellent article, and reminded me that in doing some snoopin' around I found out there was a proto-Hilary of sorts, Mexican-American teenpopper Myra, who I know little about but would like to do some research on. She was Hollywood's first homegrown star, but never went anywhere after her first album ("Myra" in English, "Milagra" in Spanish). Can't find her on MySpace yet.

I'm ga-ga at how unequivocably unabashedly intelligent the Britney album-title poll is. I've loved some of her music but I've never paid much attention to Britney the human being, and maybe if I had I wouldn't have been surprised. After all, you don't make consistently good music with a whole bunch of different collaborators without having some smarts, somewhere. But in her last message to her fans she'd come across as a typically self-addled, self-deceiving ditz, explaining or apologizing for herself in a way that blamed everybody but herself. But the album titles just throw the darts right through the needle's eye, socially acute, just pegs it.

Britney's antics may beat anyone's actual chords and beats and melodies for my favorite musical moments so far this year.

koganbot: Unfortunately, potentialbreakup.com only takes me to "The website address you entered could not be found."

piratemoggy: That is a very harsh break up indeed.

Brie Larson shares her melody idea for a new song. Can't listen now, so lemme know how it is...

Video for "Potential Breakup Song" by Aly & A.J.

Brie song is called "Church Of What," is wordless so far, and a bit churchy - well, nice harmonies, and reminds me of the song "Three Ravens" by Peter Paul & Mary, which was old Brit modal or minor or something, though Brie being Brie she's not sounding doleful in her minor-key-ness. Sounds a bit ambitiously jazzy but not in a way that undercuts the emotion. A good strange chord she creates at the end.

Glad you liked the article!

Now, the potential break-up video... This is obviously their 'cross-over' push, and I'm v impressed with how it's being positioned. Paint splatters = creativity and spontanaity; grey-tones = mature; real instruments and studio jam = authenticity, folks; and the pouting/'sexy' dancing = 'we're not just for Christians!' Excellent management/label strategy, and what came through for me was the assertiveness/sassy elements, which is probably important in 'overcoming' the blonde sister/Disney packaged background handicap. Hence also I think the big avoidence of cute in all but the few insets.

'the potential breakup song' has the er potential to be really, really massive this year.

and yeah agree w/ abby on the video's marketing strategy.

I like the video a lot, and the song, and I recognize it's only now getting its push, but I'm not as optimistic as Lex given that so far it's getting only middling play on Disney and virtually no play on Top 40 (8 spins nationally, according to Mediabase, I'd guess all on one station). I do think the success of "Girlfriend" could help it - not that the song sounds much like "Girlfriend," but the success of some pop that's neither r&b nor rock (well, obviously "Girlfriend" is rock, but it's not classified as rock) at least opens some radio-station minds. And "Potential Breakup Song" is better than "Girlfriend." But I still think there's a lot counting against it - not the Xtianity thing, which no one in particular knows or cares about outside the CCR market, but just that they're associated with teenpop, there's still something square about them, and they don't sound much like r&b. Tisdale and Hudgens never crossed over, despite having good material that was more in line with what Top 40 is playing. And radio stations took forever to finally warm to "U + Ur Hand," which was from an established Top 40 act.

"CCR" should be "CCM."

This is a totally random tangent, because I'm thinking about doing a column on it, but does anyone have some insight into Hispanic connection to the Disney media universe? From my limited research on Hollywood (the place, not the label) production in Latin America and marketing to Latin American audiences in the US, it's my understanding that Latin Americans in the US by and large stick to Latin American-produced media -- there have been few rigorous attempts to market, e.g., Hollywood films to a niche Hispanic argument, usually settling for dubbing/subtitling misadventures that routinely fail to find a substantial market.

So the failure of Myra to really take off -- along with Hollywood probably not knowing exactly what it was doing yet or understanding the cross-platforming power of the Disney brand (which seems to require something I'm tentatively calling "transmedia saturation" until someone tells me that this term already exists and/or is stupid) -- may have been that they were positioning her for the same elusive (to Disney) Hispanic market that wasn't watching their dubbed animated flicks.

This is mostly speculation, refutations or comments welcome. Hollywood (Records) is seemingly still trying to attract Hispanic audiences -- Jeannie Ortega is marketed with an emphasis on her Puerto Rican background, though I don't think her album went anywhere. (Had a cameo from Papoose on her single; that's all I really know about her, except her music is kinda boring). But I wonder how actively Disney is still trying to capture the Hispanic/Latin American market (I think they have one station in South America); Reggaeton Ninos were added to the playlist recently but they never played them, Belinda was pushed pretty hard, and I think RBD were as well -- but what's interesting is that now (as opposed to c. Myra) for the most part the Hispanic artists on Disney seem to come from outside the "universe" itself, possibly already popular and then co-opted (but never pushed that hard) for soundtracks and maybe a bit of airplay.

*haha niche Hispanic audience. Look at how confrontational I am.

See, I like this site because they'll throw in a paragraph (and accompanying crazy link) like this btw Jonas Bros CD release parties and Jordan Pruitt releasing "Teenager" as her next single:

Last week several items went up for sale as investors try to recover their losses from Lou Pearlman who was taken into custody on Thursday by the FBI in Indonesia. Many of his collectibles were on the auction block in Orlando, FL including Gold Records from Aaron Carter, Backstreet Boys, LFO, Natural, N’Sync, O-Town and more.