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i wasn't so keen on the first verse for a while, but that verse #2 of "the monkey song" is great!

gygax!, Thursday, 16 January 2003 22:50 (12 years ago) Permalink


john i love you and your crazy ass stories.

two releases last year that did it for me are Ghana and All Hail West Texas.

John, I hear you are playing Macrock this year in Virginia? Is that true?

Brock K. (Brock K.), Thursday, 16 January 2003 22:56 (12 years ago) Permalink

I try to avoid talking about my own stuff on ilX0r (unless I'm haranguing local ilX0r people to come to my shows so I can meet them) because it doesn't seem right to do so. While we're on the subject though ;-) I will be playing at MacRock and doing some more touring around that time. And there's an L.A. show (finally!) on February 28th.

As far as S/D, search the new one & the one before it, All Hail West Texas, & also the cassette "Yam, the King of Crops." Destroy with extreme prejudice the song where I say I never liked Morrissey, maliciously mispronouncing his name, because I have since come to my senses and am a Mozz booster of the first order

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 16 January 2003 23:25 (12 years ago) Permalink

thanks by the way for everybody saying such nice things!

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 16 January 2003 23:26 (12 years ago) Permalink

To add to the nice things. I know that one mag. critic, gave Tallahassee his pick for #1 album of the year on the Pazz and Jop. Warm feelings of the world unite!

Carey, Thursday, 16 January 2003 23:31 (12 years ago) Permalink

Hey John, will there ever be a repressing of Hot Garden Stomp? That remains one of my favorite Mountain Goats works, and I noticed it didn't appear on any of the 3BOS comps.

S: pretty much everything, but especially Hot Garden Stomp, Beautiful Rat Sunset, Taking The Dative and All Hail West TX (haven't heard Tallahassee yet)

D: nothing comes to mind

mike a (mike a), Thursday, 16 January 2003 23:37 (12 years ago) Permalink

I have since come to my senses and am a Mozz booster of the first order

I heart John.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 17 January 2003 00:01 (12 years ago) Permalink

For those who need convincing and prefer file-sharing to going out and buying albums, download these (delib. limiting myself to 2/CD):
"Ontario" and "Going to Stalingrad" from FULL FORCE GALESBURG (probably still my favorite album)
"Cubs in Five" and "Stars Fall on Alabama" from NINE BLACK POPPIES
"Source Decay" and "Fall of the Star High School Running Back" from ALL HAIL WEST TEXAS
"The Alphonse Mambo" and "There Will Be No Divorce" from THE CORONER'S GAMBIT
"1 Corinthians 13: 8-10" and "Going to Scotland" from NOTHING FOR JUICE
"Going to Georgia" and "Alpha Incipiens" from ZOPILOTE MACHINE
"Prana Ferox" and "Going to Queens" from SWEDEN
(it seems like JD has a trend of putting the best song on the album as the next to last one)
"Song For Cleomenes" and "Resonant Bell World" from BEAUTIFUL RAT SUNSET
"Going To Port Washington" and "The Anglo-Saxons" from GHANA
"Going to Cleveland" and "Black Molly" from BITTER MELON FARM
"Love Cuts The Strings" and "Seed Song" from PROTEIN SOURCE OF THE FUTURE ... NOW!
"You're In Maya" and "Shower" from unreleased stuff that file-trading scum have gotten their hands on.

If you don't like any of that, it's pretty safe to say that they ain't your bag, etc., as that represents a wide array of styles.

And "Going to Marrakesh" and "Someone Else's Parking Lot in Sebastapol" from The Extra Glenns' MARTIAL ARTS WEEKEND.

Still digesting TALLAHASSEE. That Scrawl CD just finished playing, so I think I'll throw it in now.

John, come play in Portland sometime.

doug (doug), Friday, 17 January 2003 00:05 (12 years ago) Permalink

The only thing I can say that hasn't been said is "The Anglo-Saxons" is the funniest song I've evah heard. John, play Indiana sometime.

Adam A. (Keiko), Friday, 17 January 2003 00:15 (12 years ago) Permalink

I was introduced to The Mountain Goats by a hipster kid in Tennessee who told me, "He's better than Bob Dylan!" Well, maybe not... but some really good stuff anyway. I saw him play at a small club in Knoxville and enjoyed the show, but I was really sold when I happened across "Color in Your Cheeks" on a college station and couldn't get it out of my head for days.

Jesse Fox, Friday, 17 January 2003 00:16 (12 years ago) Permalink

Also, his periodical Last Plane to Jakarta ( is a blast. It's one of the rare 'zines that's actually convinced me to buy CDs I've never heard of, just because his reviews are so impassioned.

Jesse Fox, Friday, 17 January 2003 00:22 (12 years ago) Permalink

I Like "Cubs In Five","Orange Ball of Peace", the cover of "The Sign" and that 7" with Alstair Galbraith.

brg30 (brg30), Friday, 17 January 2003 00:26 (12 years ago) Permalink

There must be a misprint, John, cause it doesn't say that you're coming back to Dublin, and YOU MUST COME BACK TO DUBLIN.

Search: yes

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 17 January 2003 01:02 (12 years ago) Permalink

there's an L.A. show (finally!) on February 28th

yay! where? also do a reminder HYPE thread the week before if possible...

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 17 January 2003 01:11 (12 years ago) Permalink

John is nice guy and I only heard Talahasse once...but...ugh...ummm...

there's a whole lot of similes that connect romance to terrorism-kinda stuff but I don't recall any account of actual incidents that would explain why the relationship is LIKE terrorism. I'd kinda like to hear "you shot my cat, you bastard" next to "oh, you are like someone making a bomb" cuz it can kinda sound like zeitgeist exploitation. but the uptempo drummer on that one track was great idea! And I really usually listen to an album at least twice before talkin' about it, but it seems an opportune to bring it up (and it would look weird if everybody was ravin' wildly).

jesus, I gotta go die now. sorry. this wasn't easy for me, folks, so go easy on the flamebacks.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 17 January 2003 01:18 (12 years ago) Permalink

Anybody flames you Anthony I got yer back :-)

(i.e. don't be sorry for heaven's sake we're all friends here)

In re: "a lot of terrorism similes" I must defend myself howevah: that's just one song as far as I know. And now I should stop reading this thread as it is in poor form indeed to participate in a discussion of one's own writing/music/whatevah

(quickly answering questions before scramming: I really want to go back to Dublin but there just won't be time which makes me really sad because I love Dublin a whole lot, no plans for any pre-Zopilote Machine reissues, hoping to come to Portland sometime this year, and the L.A. show is opening for Tortoise which is funny for a whole lotta reasons)

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 17 January 2003 01:29 (12 years ago) Permalink

oh, and that's actually all I've heard. and that extra glenns leonard cohen cover. so don't take this as a "I've heard your work and I say nay! review." I'm damn ign'nt re: body of work but the zeitgeist thing was buggin' me.

I will give another listen and see if I have the same reaction.

Thanks for being a good sport. Whew!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 17 January 2003 01:32 (12 years ago) Permalink

Like Lou Reed's New York done right but that doesn't mean I find time to listen that often. "Going to Georgia" is heartrending spectacular for sure though.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 17 January 2003 01:38 (12 years ago) Permalink

Nadgers. Road Trip it is, then.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 17 January 2003 01:38 (12 years ago) Permalink

The best-of-Mountain-Goats CD-R I made for a friend a few months ago goes:

1. Cubs in Five
2. Family Happiness
3. The Fall of the Star High School Running Back
4. Going to Port Washington
5. Going to Alaska
6. Going to Marrakesh
7. Golden Boy
8. No Children
9. Billy the Kid’s Dream of the Magic Slippers
10. Itzcuintli-Totzli Days
11. Neon Orange Glimmer Song
12. Anti-Music Song
13. Sept. 19 Triple X Love! Love!
14. No, I Can’t
15. Orange Ball of Hate
16. Are You Cleaning Off the Stone?
17. Standard Bitter Love Song #4
18. Standard Bitter Love Song #8
19. Love Cuts the Strings
20. Seed Song
21. Water Song
22. The Window Song
23. Jam Eater Blues
24. Two Thousand Seasons
25. The Best Ever Death Metal Band from Denton
26. The Sign

Douglas (Douglas), Friday, 17 January 2003 01:54 (12 years ago) Permalink

I really love All Hail West Texas!, The Coroner's Gambit and Zopilote Machine and like most of the others. I get really into them (him, whatever) and listen to nothing else for weeks, then not listen for quite a while.

Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Friday, 17 January 2003 01:57 (12 years ago) Permalink

"He's better than Bob Dylan!" Well, maybe not...

...and maybe yes. Though keep in mind my extremely non-canonical vision of Mr. Dylan. ;-)

the L.A. show is opening for Tortoise which is funny for a whole lotta reasons

Yes it is. The funniest of which will be me spraying the crowd with whipped cream and silly string before Tor-Twah take the stage to forcibly loosen them up and make them laugh. Then I'll do the same to the band.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 17 January 2003 02:14 (12 years ago) Permalink

You can hear an interview (including, I think, his cover of "The Sign") here:

just this guy you know, Friday, 17 January 2003 02:37 (12 years ago) Permalink

I like the songs on All Hail West Texas a lot, but the sound quality is so shitty (I know, there's an aesthetic at work there) that I can't play any of it on the radio (there's an aesthetic there TOO), and that makes me mad.
How's the sound on the other stuff?

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 17 January 2003 03:23 (12 years ago) Permalink

Dude, Tortoise doesn't need Darnielle to laugh, that's the reason they had Kevin Drumm open for them on their last tour!

I have no further contribution to make to this thread.

hstencil, Friday, 17 January 2003 04:07 (12 years ago) Permalink

Tortoise fans can laugh? They must have learned from all the derisive snickering I direct towards 'em.

JS Williams (js williams), Friday, 17 January 2003 04:23 (12 years ago) Permalink

Naw they hired him so they could laugh. They could care less whether their fans do or not.

Okay, I'm swearing off this thread before I "bring the negativity" to Darnielle LoveFest '03.

hstencil, Friday, 17 January 2003 04:26 (12 years ago) Permalink

At the risk of embarrassing myself in front of the man himself, pretty much every release has great moments, & there's a lot of them. Guess I tend to lean towards the early (_Hot Garden Stomp_, _Hound Dog Chronicles_) & late (_Full Force..._, _Coroners..._) periods.

Live it's a lot of fun (even when kicked off stage & forced to play on the pavement outside the venue). Can't wait till the forthcoming UK gigs & SxSW show, 'cos it's been a long time.

Enough already.

Wondering Boy Poet, Friday, 17 January 2003 13:50 (12 years ago) Permalink

Wow, Mountain Goats John here, never knew.

Loved your cover of "I saw the Sign"

David Allen, Friday, 17 January 2003 14:37 (12 years ago) Permalink

Ned should spray the Tortoise fans with Faygo and scream "CLOWN LUV!!!!" over and over.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 17 January 2003 14:46 (12 years ago) Permalink

i feel dumb trying to post to this thread when mr d himself is around, but here goes all the same...

horace, mostly similar, but the newest album "tallahassee" has a much more polished full band and studio production, and there are surely songs on there that you could play on the radio. john peel gets away with it, anyway, but that may not seem any guarantee of radio-friendly production. (i wasn't sure i liked it as much as the other albums i have at first but it's really grown on me.)

i say YES to "cubs in five" and "best ever death metal band out of denton" and i note that "anti-music song" is on that best-of cdr and that i kind of like it myself and never thought it implied any real dislike of morrissey, whom i quite like, on john's part. i only have a few of the albums and i can't really pick a favourite out of them, they're all good.

, Friday, 17 January 2003 15:45 (12 years ago) Permalink

Ned should spray the Tortoise fans with Faygo and scream "CLOWN LUV!!!!" over and over.

That really would be the best thing that could ever happen to a Tortoise fan.

Nicole (Nicole), Friday, 17 January 2003 16:18 (12 years ago) Permalink

I only have one Moutain Goats song but I like it a lot. "The Last Day of Jimi Hendrix' Life" on a 'zine 7-inch. You keep waiting for some revelation but it turns out on that day all Jimi did was drink some water & hang around. I love that. I need to get some Mountain Goats, anyway.

Mark (MarkR), Friday, 17 January 2003 16:28 (12 years ago) Permalink

Ned should spray the Tortoise fans with Faygo and scream "CLOWN LUV!!!!" over and over.

I HAVE A VISION. I thank the Holy Prophet Dan for showing the way and Nicole for the encouragement.

[Likely enough I will simply do the honorable thing and leave after the Goats take their bow, thus beating the traffic -- assuming whoever I'm with wants to leave as well.]

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 17 January 2003 16:41 (12 years ago) Permalink

Aww, I would be happy to ship you the Faygo -- I think it is a worthy project.

Nicole (Nicole), Friday, 17 January 2003 23:23 (12 years ago) Permalink

raggy 2 dope

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 17 January 2003 23:35 (12 years ago) Permalink

unless you pronounce it "Ra-jay", Ned.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 17 January 2003 23:37 (12 years ago) Permalink

Nope. It's Irish not French, so you got it right.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 18 January 2003 04:13 (12 years ago) Permalink

saw them live in london at the ICA. I enjoyed it.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 18 January 2003 16:05 (12 years ago) Permalink

i hadn't realized how well known he was until this new album came out and there's reviews everywhere (fairly good write up in todays london times,for example,which suggests that the mountain goats could be this years flaming lips,in terms of crossover appeal)(a lot of people probably wouldn't see that as a compliment,but i was surprised that their profile was that high)
initially i heard of them and thought oh,that guy from ilx with that last plane to jakarta site has a band now?
i'm curious now,i must look into getting some of the stuff recommended upthread...

robin (robin), Saturday, 18 January 2003 16:25 (12 years ago) Permalink

Today's Times: The Mountain Goats: set to be this year's The Flaming Lips.

Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 18 January 2003 22:17 (12 years ago) Permalink

my new fave band, as of two days ago! are any of the live shows floating around on soulseek worth getting?

toby (tsg20), Monday, 20 January 2003 08:51 (12 years ago) Permalink

i like the flashing lights song a lot

liz p. (lizjoydiv), Monday, 20 January 2003 08:59 (12 years ago) Permalink

So are the Mountain Goats going to have to retire "Cubs In Five" now that the Tampa Bay Bucs have, indeed, made it all the way to January?

God, I hope not.

mike a (mike a), Monday, 20 January 2003 14:56 (12 years ago) Permalink

CFBX 92.5 FM, 5 Watts
Kamloops, BC
Charts to January 31, 2003

3) Mountain Goats - Tallahassee (4AD)

Poppy (poppy), Saturday, 1 February 2003 23:26 (12 years ago) Permalink

from norman records-

4AD are going exactly the same way as original, life affirmingly INDEPENDENT allies Mute by signing pretty hopeless bands. If The Mountain Goats are the new Pixies then that pig really DID just fly past the window. More up Clint's street are these and even he thinks they're a bit pants. The band's new CD, 'Tallahassee' is out this week. Supposedly their 12th album, previous efforts have been on little US indies, this 4AD debut is average alt-country tinged lo-fi strum rock. Some might find some nuggets of gold up in them thar mountains but all I found were some old Yak droppings. Gorgeous packaging like but the words 'polish' and 'turd' spring to mind (again)....

keith (keithmcl), Sunday, 2 February 2003 00:20 (12 years ago) Permalink

John: Play Portland. Come play Portland. There are a bunch of us planning on driving down for the upcoming SF show but, really, it would be nice to see you without driving 9 hours... So, in summation, come play Portland.


Thank you.

Also, if you play Portland, please play "Golden Boy", as it would mean a lot to my roommate/bandmate, who sings it to her godson to get him to go to sleep, and is anyway one of your absolute best songs, even better than "Fresh Berries For You".

Chris P (Chris P), Sunday, 2 February 2003 04:17 (12 years ago) Permalink

Oh, and for the people wondering where to start: I say just go with All Hail West Texas! You'll love the first song and want to put it on a mix tape right away. Also there's a song on it called "Riches and Wonders" which will heart fall into your toes. And when the song is over, and you are a puddle of curious and hauting emotions on the floor, John will look up from the Panasonic and say, "Oh, you liked that one? Wait, let me play you this other song I just whipped off..." and then "The Mess Inside" will start playing and you will hate him for writing such beautiful songs and rubbing them in your face.

There. I am done being such a fanboy. Oh, except to note my friend's observation about how awkward it is to scream out "ABSOLUTE LITHOPS EFFECT!" as a concert request.

Chris P (Chris P), Sunday, 2 February 2003 04:23 (12 years ago) Permalink

MY favourite song of the ones i´ve heard yet is The Best Ever Death Metal Band from Denton and the cover of The sign have been on a lot of mixtapes.
I hope i don´t miss you when you play Sweden in like two weeks

Jens (brighter), Sunday, 2 February 2003 19:12 (12 years ago) Permalink

don't worry keith - Phil only seems to like electronica and krautrock..

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Sunday, 2 February 2003 22:36 (12 years ago) Permalink

lots of that old black metal stuff gives me kind of a dick dale picking vibe

― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, April 13, 2015 12:01 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

... please, tell me more

― bernard snowy, Monday, April 13, 2015 1:16 PM (57 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Basics Of Black Metal
author: Morgal date: 04/23/2009 category: music styles
rating: 9.4 / votes: 34

black metal:

Hi readers! I wrote this article because I would like to help for beginners who already know the basic metal music techniques but want to learn the basics of black metal guitar playing. I playing black metal music for years and I have realized many things about this style of guitar playing. My lesson is about the 2nd generation of black metal (it's the 90s).I don't like the early black metal music (except Bathory by Quorthon). I think the early "black metal" music is rather heavy metal music with dark lyrics than black metal. The 2nd generation of black metal has begun with bands like Darkthrone, Mayhem, Burzum etc. To play in this style I recommend tune your guitar to standard tuning. The black metal guitar playing is mainly based on tremolo picking. It's very important technique. The most beginner guitar player cannot perform this correctly. In black metal you have to follow the blast drum beat with tremolo picking. The key to master this technique is: you have to do the up and down strokes ONLY with your wrist. Never use your arm, only the wrist moving. To play accurate with this technique, you have to stay your wrist somewhere. I tries many variations, but I think the best for me is when I play on the E-A-D string my wrist stay on the thinner strings ( G-H-E), when I play on the G-H-E strings my wrist stay on the thicker strings (E-A-D). Black metal songs' tempo is from 140bpm (Mayhem, Nargaroth, Gorgoroth) up to 200+bpm (Satyricon, Dark Funeral, Dimmu Borgir). First time practice with slower songs here comes two details of famous songs from Darkthrone and Mayhem.

dick dale (from guitar player):

Recorded by his band the Del-Tones in 1961, Dick Dale’s earliest signature instrumental “Let’s Go Trippin’” is widely considered the first surf-rock song. While it contained none of his soon-to-be trademark tremolo picking style (more on that in a minute), the song resonated with the California beach crowd and climbed the charts to #4 regionally....

tremolo picking (he even titled a song on 1994’s Unknown Territory after it) certainly lives up to its name. Dick Dale’s single most famous signature move has to be his semi-muted, trem-picked even glissandi up or down the low E string. To illustrate, try using Ex. 4a as either a one-bar pickup, or dropping it into the last bar of a song’s progression, which essentially creates the same effect. Next, Ex. 4b’s Terra Dicktyl intro riff comes on strong with non-tremmed, descending chromatic eighth-notes on beats one and three of each measure interspersed with trem-picked, open-E dotted quarters acting as pedal points.

the technique is pretty similiar obvious the musical vocabulary/sound very different but that always stuck out to me.

now this is different than everything that I was told from guitar mags during the trash metal era, black metal's tremelo picking is a distinct break from bands like Slayer who always made a big deal about using ONLY the wiki entry on "downpicking"

Downpicking, sometimes referred to as Downstroke picking, is the technique used by musicians that perform on plucked string instruments in which the plectrum, or pick, is moved in a downward motion, relative to the position of the instrument, against one or more of the strings to make them vibrate. If downstrokes are played without the addition of upstrokes (as in alternate picking), the tip of the pick never comes in contact with the strings during the time the hand is moving back up to repeat the downstroke.


Extremely fast eighth-note downstroke picking was used in the mid 70's and beyond by famous punk guitarist Johnny Ramone, who used the technique to play full live shows at fast tempos (usually around 180 to 200 bpm). This required extreme levels of stamina, but produced a very high-energy, aggressive sound. This extremely demanding, then-uncommon and somewhat innovative style contributed to Johnny Ramone's reputation as a legendary guitar player, and it influenced many now-famous rock guitarists. Downstroke picking has become a common technique in metal and thrash rhythm playing, notably exemplified by Metallica's James Hetfield, Megadeth's Dave Mustaine, Slayer's Kerry King, and Anthrax's Scott Ian among others. The popular, easily recognized guitar work of Metallica's "Master of Puppets" is almost entirely played using downstroked eighth-notes at a tempo of 212 BPM (about 7 downstrokes per second).

kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 13 April 2015 19:22 (1 month ago) Permalink

hey dow, rasslin' is not a sport.

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Monday, 13 April 2015 19:49 (1 month ago) Permalink

I forget if this has been covered here, but the deluxe vinyl that sold out immediately at the label's site is available in some record stores. I picked up my copy today.

That shit right there is precedented. (cryptosicko), Monday, 13 April 2015 19:50 (1 month ago) Permalink

This is definitely more of a downstroking affair. I was really thinking about the drums though.

louie louie whoa baby imago (how's life), Monday, 13 April 2015 23:17 (1 month ago) Permalink

yeah I thought that's what you were driving at -- hence my confusion over UMS making the surfrock/blackmetal connection [via guitar-playing style that isn't on the song in question]

bernard snowy, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 04:35 (1 month ago) Permalink

& really the most metal-feeling part of the song (to me) isn't the rockabillyish verses so much as the fist-pumping singalong chorus

bernard snowy, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 04:43 (1 month ago) Permalink

sad face about missing tonight's show

DJP, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 17:57 (1 month ago) Permalink


Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Tuesday, 14 April 2015 18:46 (1 month ago) Permalink

The Mountain GoatsVerified account

That @nyctaper show I just RT'd is one of the most fun shows we've ever played btw so grab it


Anson Burtch

RT @nyctaper: @mountain_goats April 12, 2015 City Winery –

dow, Thursday, 16 April 2015 14:49 (1 month ago) Permalink

awesome. made a spotify playlist if you want to quickly organize the setlist after you download.

And let’s say a new Hozier comes along, and Spotify outbids you (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 16 April 2015 17:52 (1 month ago) Permalink

the previous night was really fun too. my sister went and had a blast. there's a great cover in this set whose provenance I won't spoil here because the way JD announces it in the set is perfect.

louie louie whoa baby imago (how's life), Friday, 17 April 2015 08:46 (1 month ago) Permalink

thanks to 'animal mask' i now won't be able to watch tag team wrestling without crying about the tender beauty of it all

cis-het shitlord (Merdeyeux), Wednesday, 22 April 2015 00:33 (1 month ago) Permalink

Whelan's u say hmmmm

thoughts you made second posts about (darraghmac), Wednesday, 22 April 2015 13:57 (1 month ago) Permalink

Mishearings that keep butting into my 'humming a song around the house' Part 23: "Climb the turnbuckle high / take two falls out of three / black up for local TV"

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 23 April 2015 10:03 (1 month ago) Permalink

yeah, it's "take two falls out of tree"

DJP, Thursday, 23 April 2015 14:50 (1 month ago) Permalink

not exactly mishearing but I am still unclear on the right way to read the line "black out for local TV" -- at first I took it as a reference to the 'TV blackouts' that sometimes affect NFL/NCAA/other (nationally-)televised American sports, but it seems unlikely that such a thing would apply under the circumstances? so then I wonder if "(pretend to) pass out in front of some cameras, for a local telecast" is actually the primary sense, & the other just a felicity of language.

bernard snowy, Friday, 24 April 2015 15:35 (1 month ago) Permalink

Think I've seen that expression used re actors in Tarzan movies, even in Westerns, when director wanted them to look more savage, dangerous; can imagine it being a wrestling thing too, in some times & situations.

dow, Friday, 24 April 2015 15:46 (1 month ago) Permalink

"Blacking up" is what I meant; thought of it when listening to song, though sounded like "black out" there.

dow, Friday, 24 April 2015 15:48 (1 month ago) Permalink

the previous night was really fun too. my sister went and had a blast. there's a great cover in this set whose provenance I won't spoil here because the way JD announces it in the set is perfect.

― louie louie whoa baby imago (how's life), Friday, April 17, 2015 4:46 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This one?

The New Gay Sadness (cryptosicko), Monday, 27 April 2015 04:05 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

That's the one!

sonic yarmouth (how's life), Monday, 27 April 2015 12:28 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

I also enjoyed the partial cover of "The Next Time I Fall In Love" (sadly, I wasn't at this, or any, MG show, I just listened online). JD had once mentioned how he tried to get Amy Grant to sing on The Life of the World to Come; as ideal as she would have been for *that* record, I really hope he keeps offering and I hope that one day she accepts.

The New Gay Sadness (cryptosicko), Monday, 27 April 2015 16:17 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

darnielle interviewed by WWE!

slothroprhymes, Friday, 1 May 2015 17:39 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

I'm digging the phrase "believable love of evil", also this article makes me wonder how JD would fare as a broadcast commentator (for wrestling or other sport)

Heroic melancholy continues to have a forceful grip on (bernard snowy), Friday, 1 May 2015 18:02 (3 weeks ago) Permalink


BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 4 May 2015 17:26 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

not exactly mishearing but I am still unclear on the right way to read the line "black out for local TV" -- at first I took it as a reference to the 'TV blackouts' that sometimes affect NFL/NCAA/other (nationally-)televised American sports, but it seems unlikely that such a thing would apply under the circumstances? so then I wonder if "(pretend to) pass out in front of some cameras, for a local telecast" is actually the primary sense, & the other just a felicity of language.

― bernard snowy, Friday, 24 April 2015 16:35 (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

idk about california specifically but territory era wrestling was well known to keep the good stuff off tv, so you would have to go to the event and tv used to be promo packages or squash matches (when the star would easily beat an unknown or weak opponent to look good). 2/3 fall matches would be a special attractions to go to the event for, and i don't think there are many filmed instances before the late 80s wwe tag team wrestling. also it wasn't often a more dangerous story would be done on tv, i.e. making someone black out, or idk blinding the junkyard dog or whatever. it all points towards it being a big money, beloved and experienced character. otoh yes also a great use of language and maybe i just think too much about wrestling.

im also v excited about Song For Sasha Banks.

a hoy hoy, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 22:40 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Another fan: MST3K's Joel Hodgson:

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 22:42 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

Video for "The Legend of Chavo Guerrero" starring the man himself:

The New Gay Sadness (cryptosicko), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 15:01 (4 days ago) Permalink


Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 15:07 (4 days ago) Permalink

A hoy hoy, thanks for your thoughtful reply to my questions upthread; that makes a lot of sense now.

Heroic melancholy continues to have a forceful grip on (bernard snowy), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 15:35 (4 days ago) Permalink

that video is great

“audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 21 May 2015 17:17 (3 days ago) Permalink

The tearing up of the pictures of cats and grandmothers was the part I loved. A riff on a particular convention of wrestling, or just exaggerated cartoon badassery?

The New Gay Sadness (cryptosicko), Thursday, 21 May 2015 19:28 (3 days ago) Permalink

it's a schtick that wrestlers used to engage in a lot to show they were heels (sinead too tho i doubt she was aware of the connect).
dunno if this is still part of the modern kayfabe ritual

“audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 21 May 2015 19:31 (3 days ago) Permalink

So good. My favourite bit is when he tears the picture of Frankenstein in half.

ink on all the streetlights (cajunsunday), Thursday, 21 May 2015 20:03 (3 days ago) Permalink

last person to do anything similar to good effect would be jericho ripping on his own fans signs i think. Its a really fun vid.

a hoy hoy, Thursday, 21 May 2015 20:55 (3 days ago) Permalink

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