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"Fuzz: The Musical"
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Goddamn it I've got that "Third Wheel" ditty stuck in my head yet again. Fucking catchy it is.
― Ian Riese-Moraine. To Hell with you and your gradual evolution! (Eastern Mantra), Saturday, 23 April 2005 01:16 (8 years ago) Permalink
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I'M A SUPERSTAR! IN A SUPERSTAR MACHINE!
― miccio (miccio), Saturday, 23 April 2005 02:03 (8 years ago) Permalink
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― miccio (miccio), Saturday, 23 April 2005 02:12 (8 years ago) Permalink
classic.
― latebloomer: But when the monkey die, people gonna cry. (latebloomer), Saturday, 23 April 2005 02:43 (8 years ago) Permalink
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― lolita corpus (lolitacorpus), Saturday, 23 April 2005 04:38 (8 years ago) Permalink
my top 3 US comedys:the larry sanders showstrangers with candysealab2021
there has sure been a lot of david cross backlash lately. i have 1+2 plus the third season of mr show on dvd but i bought them mostly because i was searching for one particular sketch and i rarely watch them in their entirety. that said, there are few tv comedy moments that have me laughing out loud whenever i later think of them but the dice and sponge sandwich scene from the third season had me laughing hysterically whenever it would cross my mind for at least a year after i first saw it.
pleasant plains and i have been watching the ben stiller show over the past week or so. its ok but id take mr show over it any day.
oh, and sort of on topic - what the fuck is up with kelsey grammer and that sketch show?
― katharine (katharine), Saturday, 23 April 2005 06:06 (8 years ago) Permalink
i still say american sketch comedy has never done better than mr. show, ever. i'm glad they cut it short before it got grotesquely awful (like later kids in the hall).
right now i'm wanting to see the streaking episode. if only for the heavenly sarah silverman's line "you sure slapped some meat in their eyes, jimmy!"
― el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Saturday, 23 April 2005 07:33 (8 years ago) Permalink
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― el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Saturday, 23 April 2005 09:42 (8 years ago) Permalink
I like David Cross but there is something smug about him that grates sometimes. I far prefer Bob.
― Hari A$hur$t (Toaster), Saturday, 23 April 2005 10:29 (8 years ago) Permalink
Oh yes, yes indeed.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 23 April 2005 10:32 (8 years ago) Permalink
the one and only sketch on the ben stiller show that reached the heights that mr.show reached regularly. and if he hadn't been able to do it on the stiller show it probably would have ended up on mr.show.
― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 23 April 2005 12:53 (8 years ago) Permalink
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― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 23 April 2005 12:54 (8 years ago) Permalink
*bows in the direction of Mr. Seward, respectfully disagrees*
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 23 April 2005 12:55 (8 years ago) Permalink
― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 23 April 2005 13:02 (8 years ago) Permalink
― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 23 April 2005 13:04 (8 years ago) Permalink
I realized it was trying to be that, but it just...wasn't. At least not constantly, not consistently, though it desperately tried hard (too hard?) to be that, forcing the humor and forcing quotes around 'loopy' and 'inspired' as a result. I saw a whole batch of episodes all at once and then a few here and there since and just...no, sorry, not more than wryly amusing here and there. Not *no* laughs, as I mention above -- Dalai Lama sketch, for instance, a definite winner. But gosh, so much of it could have been edited down, made dryer maybe...yeah, I'm not the guys actually getting up there and creating it all so I should talk, but if I find myself telling the show/sketch/actors to get on with it on a semi-regular basis then it's just not working for me, and listing a whole bunch of references won't convince me, much the same way that the huge list of injokes I can make from MST3K -- which to me just outstrips Mr. Show for laughs still, completely -- isn't going to convince someone who has seen a slew of episodes and just shrugged and moved on.
But yeah, there is the Cross factor. I love Odenkirk in Stiller, he seems dragged down and sprawling in Mr. Show = either Cross is even worse than I imagine him or the camaraderie on Stiller was a perfect secret weapon.
Anyway, Mr. Show doesn't work for me, you think the Kenna album sucks, and yet we are love. :-)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 23 April 2005 13:13 (8 years ago) Permalink
The one about Marijuana is one of the best things I've ever seen, but since every show changes into a million different bits, let me clarify that it's the one that starts off with Dave being high.
There are so many tiny details in Mr. Show to laugh at that most shows wouldn't bother to add. To say that Mr. Show was "trying to be" anything is assuming too much. It *was* a loopy and inspired show and if you see it as "trying to be" such, then I'd say you are projecting. It just is what it is.
― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 23 April 2005 13:20 (8 years ago) Permalink
― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 23 April 2005 13:21 (8 years ago) Permalink
Saying that the show was loopy and inspired because it was loopy and inspired is a bit glib. I don't doubt you like it at all and that you enjoy it very much, so can I ask that you consider the opposite point of view might have been derived from the same basic experience, ie watching the show? As I've had to point out on similar threads before, the very thread *title* invites debate, yes?
I actually didn't have much of a problem with Cross until I saw Mr. Show, to be honest -- I was completely neutral. Now, in combination with other things of his, I am not. Is that projecting or my reaction?
Anyway, onions. Yum!
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 23 April 2005 13:29 (8 years ago) Permalink
― W i l l (common_person), Saturday, 23 April 2005 13:32 (8 years ago) Permalink
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― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 23 April 2005 13:38 (8 years ago) Permalink
― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 23 April 2005 13:40 (8 years ago) Permalink
You need to get on political TV talk shows.
(More seriously, what part of "I DO NOT THINK THE VAST MAJORITY OF IT WAS ENTERTAINING OR SUCCESSFUL AND THEREFORE SAYING SOMETHING LIKE 'YES, IT WAS ALL THOSE THINGS' FLATLY IS GOING TO MAKE ME GO 'OH RIGHT YOU ARE, I WILL DENY MY OWN EXPERIENCES IN ORDER TO SUIT YOUR REALITY" did you not understand? And why does the final line of your complaint remind me of all those messages Melody Maker used to get and print from aggreived attendees of concerts saying "Were you at the same show I was?!")
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 23 April 2005 13:45 (8 years ago) Permalink
― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 23 April 2005 13:45 (8 years ago) Permalink
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 23 April 2005 13:46 (8 years ago) Permalink
All I am saying is that it would make more sense for you to say that this approach to comedy didn't work for you because "it was a little too loopy and inspired to be funny", rather than to say they were "trying to be loopy and inspired but it just... wasn't." Because it was!
― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 23 April 2005 13:46 (8 years ago) Permalink
― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 23 April 2005 13:46 (8 years ago) Permalink
― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 23 April 2005 13:47 (8 years ago) Permalink
― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 23 April 2005 13:52 (8 years ago) Permalink
― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 23 April 2005 13:54 (8 years ago) Permalink
I don't know because they're completely different points. One is about experiencing a show and one is about experiencing the thought process behind-the-scenes of the show.
― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 23 April 2005 13:55 (8 years ago) Permalink
Honestly, I'm not much of one either. It's very easy to see why it's so liked, though -- I think I enjoy it much more as reference source!
i always thought that "trying too hard" atmosphere of mr.show was done on purpose. cuz the live stuff was SUPPOSED to resemble people trying desperately to stay on the air and be funny. I liked that live theatre aspect to it.
I like that explanation! That's a good way to think about it that I honestly hadn't thought of. I don't know if it'll help me see it in a new light but I'll keep it in mind should I run across an episode again in future.
rather than to say they were "trying to be loopy and inspired but it just... wasn't." Because it was!
Lemonade, you are conflating an admittedly more descriptive or at least harder to pin down point -- 'loopy,' which can be both positive or negative, and in this case I used in it a 'yeah, it's 'loopy,' thanks whatever' sense -- with 'inspired,' which is clearly meant to be positive and which I specifically question in terms of how I feel about the show. If you can't accept that there is a difference in connotation then that's your own worry. Otherwise this boils down to:
YOU: "It was inspired!"
ME: "I don't think it was inspired, despite your claiming otherwise."
YOU: "But it was inspired!"
ME: "I agree you think it was inspired, but I don't believe so."
ME: *looks for some Sonic Youth to listen to instead*
I am FAR from arguing I'm a perfect arguer on these boards here, as folks like the good Mr. Miccio and Mr. Chow and others have, I think quite rightly, pointed out. But can you see where this is breaking down a bit?
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 23 April 2005 13:56 (8 years ago) Permalink
Not sure I've ever heard him say "I am an atheist" tho, so who knows? Btw I sort of suspect Colbert is a devout Christian who just knows his market well.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 30 April 2012 19:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
sometimes cross is really funny, sometimes he's a really strident asshole, sometimes both at once. imo his body of work is funny enough for me to overlook the shitty stuff, usually
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Monday, 30 April 2012 19:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
though i think with him its not even so much being an asshole as sometimes you're just like... 'man this guy is really into himself' (in an unappealing way)
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Monday, 30 April 2012 19:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
he looks really gross these days too
― lag∞n, Monday, 30 April 2012 19:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
"I sort of suspect Colbert is a devout Christian"he is! i don't think he's cynically pandering to anti-christians though.
― Philip Nunez, Monday, 30 April 2012 19:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
Btw I sort of suspect Colbert is a devout Christian who just knows his market well.
He makes it pretty clear he's Catholic. The show has its own chaplain!
― Dale, dale, dale (Abbbottt), Monday, 30 April 2012 19:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
Colbert is infinitely more hilarious AND biting AND humane on religion that Cross ever has or will be.
― Dale, dale, dale (Abbbottt), Monday, 30 April 2012 19:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
Cross in that Tripping youtube could easily be posted in "pictures of people that aren't whiney" thread
― sarahell, Monday, 30 April 2012 19:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
The only Cross standup routine that got real lols form me was the one where he ate a chocolate mountain covered in gold.His book was not funny. He's kind of a jerk. I've tried not to let it rub off on my views of Mr. Show, which I still think is funny overall.
― Dale, dale, dale (Abbbottt), Monday, 30 April 2012 19:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
Hungry4Ayyyyy nailed it
― am0n, Monday, 30 April 2012 19:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
otm - like the "emotion lotion" sketch kinda felt a bit too revealing
― sarahell, Monday, 30 April 2012 19:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
The final straw for me with Cross was all his whining about how bad he has it on the Alvin and the Chipmunks movies. You signed up for the Alvin and the Chipmunks movies. What on earth about "third Alvin and the Chipmunks movie" made you think it was going to be an actor's dream, especially after burning so many bridges talking shit about the first two?
― Dale, dale, dale (Abbbottt), Monday, 30 April 2012 19:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
i know, right!!
― some dude, Monday, 30 April 2012 19:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
i have to admit, i laughed at the comedians zinging each other for being in shitty movies that the alvin thing started.
― Philip Nunez, Monday, 30 April 2012 19:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
Growing up non southern Baptist in the bible belt will warp your perspective on religion a bit. Still, you'd think a nearly 50 year old would over it by now.
― I cannot host as my wife hates Walker (latebloomer), Monday, 30 April 2012 19:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
you don't have friends that just like to complain about shit? Like it seems like they will get themselves into situations just to be able to complain about it later? I dunno, i think that's totally human and kinda lol.
― sarahell, Monday, 30 April 2012 19:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
if david cross grew up in the bible belt for the sole purpose of getting whining material, i'd agree that's pretty funny.
― Philip Nunez, Monday, 30 April 2012 19:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
ha i think she meant the alvin and the chipmunks thing
― some dude, Monday, 30 April 2012 19:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
He's such a diva about it, though. They are not lol complaints.
― Dale, dale, dale (Abbbottt), Monday, 30 April 2012 19:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
Growing up non southern Baptist Jewish in the bible belt will warp your perspective on religion a bit.
I think the "Jewish" thing is more significant than the "non-SB" thing.
― i love the large auns pictures! (Phil D.), Monday, 30 April 2012 19:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
Oh definitely, but in my experience (as someone living in the south) it's also true for *anyone* not down with southern evangelical culture. I was raised Catholic and I was told I was a non-Jesus-believing heathen several times as a kid. By adults as well as children.
― I cannot host as my wife hates Walker (latebloomer), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 17:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
So, extrapolating from my own experience, I can see why being Jewish in the south (especially in the 70's when Cross grew up there) would be fucking alienating in the extreme and warp your view on religion for a long time.
― I cannot host as my wife hates Walker (latebloomer), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 17:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
It's better now, and there's a lot more diversity where I live than there was even 15 years ago, but the South is the South.
― I cannot host as my wife hates Walker (latebloomer), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 17:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
have a Catholic uncle who lived in Tennessee his whole life and constantly took shit for it, according to him
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 17:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
I never got too much shit for it, but I did get tired of the "Why do you pray to Mary?" questions.
― pplains, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 17:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
i had a kid check my head for horns, so i don't care if this guy wants to rant
― "in this super-sexy postracial age" (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 18:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
??!!
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 18:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
Holy crap, really? When was this?
― i love the large auns pictures! (Phil D.), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 18:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
junior high
― "in this super-sexy postracial age" (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 18:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
he didn't really mean anything by it is the thing. just general ignorance.also me and my sister were regularly told by kids, teachers and kid's parents when we visited their homes that we were going to hell since we hadn't accepted jesus into our lives, both subtly and straight up explicitly
― "in this super-sexy postracial age" (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 18:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
i remember buying my first car with my parents and it was from a friendly good ol boy and the whole process was great and he was a sweetheart right until we got down to the payment and my dad told him he appreciated working with him on the price and the guy said "well you weren't jewing me down or anything it's alright" and we all got very quiet, he bought my car with the money from my savings bonds and we left. put a damper on the excitement, i tell you what
― "in this super-sexy postracial age" (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 18:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
so again, i have no issue with this guy bitching about shitkickers; feels like he's within his rightsi made my peace a long time ago with that stuff but i ain't about to tell him what he should and shouldn't be complaining about
― "in this super-sexy postracial age" (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 18:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
Thing is, it aint even shitkickers he'll go after
― Choad of Choad Hall (kingfish), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 18:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
david cross hates every single person in the world and thinks its awesome is more the criticism
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 18:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
wonder showzen sux tho
― "in this super-sexy postracial age" (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 18:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
u mad
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 18:39 (1 year ago) Permalink