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i heard that one song, the stars one, it's pretty forgettable and 'meh'. and i don't know how anyone could actually like paris!

gear (gear), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 17:00 (seventeen years ago) link

this is a point i don't really get. why is paris hilton's sleb persona so repulsive? i don't see it as any 'worse' than britney, or j-lo, or kylie, all of whom get approval from poptimists. if anything the ludicrous nature of p hilton's fame makes her a BETTER candidate to be a popstar.

The more I think about it, the more a lot of the kneejerk criticism (mostly from the mainstream press, not message board debate) is there's a sense that Paris for some reason isn't ALLOWED to be a pop star. In the UK market the Paris album is broadly aimed at (the Heat magazine demographic, to crassly put it), she's (ahem) screwed by two big things:

1. An established tradition of laughing at Paris (as Tom's pointed out elsewhere), from bad dresses to what happens when she tries to work on a farm on TV.

2. A general suspicion of presenters, actresses or other media personalities who turn their hand to releasing records. This goes right back to the 80s Aussie soap stars and only Kylie has really been allowed to transcend that (even J-Lo's still viewed with some suspicion). Mind you some Proper Pop Stars suffer from this as well, Rachel Stevens' album was fantastic and yet her Lads Mag persona was so offputting to its market that it scuppered sales. The exact same record given to Kylie would've been hailed as a classic.

Whereas the biggest pop stars (Britney, Madge, Xtina, Robbie) succeed because they ARE pop, it's not merely something to fill in the gaps between photo shoots. Likewise the moral disapproval side is maybe overplayed - R Kelly fucking underage girls didn't prevent Ignition from being a massive hit.

This is a totally rockist viewpoint to take but I reckon its pretty widespread outside the realm of interweb debates.

(I've now listened to Screwed and Nothing In This World - they're not outright awful and there's the basis of a good tune in both of them but the execution is poor. Melodically they lurch around uncomfortably and both the performance and the production are a bit limp and don't really take off).

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 18:46 (seventeen years ago) link

In other words, the pop audience wants their popstars to at least come into their world with some mystique. Britney appeared as a fully formed pop star with a clutch of great singles and was only later that the whole soap opera took the gloss of that.

If we'd been following the last couple of years of Skanky Ho Britney without her ever having released a record, she'd be considerably less favourably viewed even if the debut single was as amazing as Baby One More Time multiplied by Toxic.

Or, to magnify the point, imagine how it'd be perceived if Jade Goody released an album tomorrow?

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 18:51 (seventeen years ago) link

it's abundantly clear that she's taking the piss out of everyone who IS turned on by her.

dude, someone who proclaims she's in the same line as marilyn monroe and madonna has a few loose screws in her head. that's saying if she HAS any. she does take herself seriously and does really consider herself to be the shit (or hott). i think this is the main reason why i won't be able to enjoy the record, i have a pre-established notion of her being as self-absorbed. still i should give it a try...

In other words, the pop audience wants their popstars to at least come into their world with some mystique.

The more you know about a (pop) artist, the less you can be entertained. There's too much information, too much knowledge, so you can't build a dream, can't mirror yourself on the artist.

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 18:58 (seventeen years ago) link

yes but matt those answers would explain why the record-buying public at large despise paris, and i understand both points (though it seems that the record-buying public and non-internet people have in fact taken mildly to paris judging from the charts). the people i think are being snobs in their "ooh i'm repulsed by her" thing are precisely the interweb communities who are well versed in rockism/popism debates!

nathalie: i think " a few screws loose", "thinks she's hott" and "self-absorbed" as all v good qualities in a popstar.

The more you know about a (pop) artist, the less you can be entertained. There's too much information, too much knowledge, so you can't build a dream, can't mirror yourself on the artist.

i find this interesting - so for all the focus on people not taking paris seriously because she's fake...this makes more sense, not taking her seriously because her life is so public that we think we know what she's like already - and we think she's too dumb to get in character for a song, so essentially we are saying that paris hilton the popstar is too REAL!

this i understand. i find all the lyrics which double as both lovely dreamy romance words and comments on Paris The Celebrity cute, but we know how badly meta plays with many people, so...yeah, when she sings something like "since i'm already screwed" or "if you show me real love baby i'll show you mine" that could be TOO MUCH of what we perceive to be the 'real' paris impinging on the song.

in fact i did say on poptimists that i felt there was too much conflating of paris-the-persona and paris-the-person going on - and this interview reveals that curiously, paris herself has a good grip on the situation.

Hilton says the baby voice she uses on the reality TV show "The Simple Life" is an act.

"I'm always playing a character," she says. "I don't talk like this really -- like a baby. I don't act like myself in public, because I don't really want to show everyone the real me. Because I have no privacy whatsoever, the only thing I have is who I really am."

that's a really good quote actually.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 19:14 (seventeen years ago) link

HAHA the losers on the plan b forum are going nuts cos my review* is on the plan b front page!

*not v good or detailed as originally intended to be capsule review in the print mag until i missed the deadline, idiot me

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 19:18 (seventeen years ago) link

nathalie: i think " a few screws loose", "thinks she's hott" and "self-absorbed" as all v good qualities in a popstar.

Very true. :-)

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 19:24 (seventeen years ago) link

The Robbie comparison is quite useful and interesting (talked about it on LJ already tho ha ha). If anything it made me question whether I'm actually giving Paris too easy a time BECAUSE she's a woman in pop (whereas I give Robbie a hard time because of boring male/ego thing plus his ubiquity here and the general quality of his stuff, often plodding MOR with corny lyrics - 'Rudebox' is supposed to counter this and reflect Robbie's actually quite decent taste in pop (I'm using his iTunes sleb playlist as evidence :/) but ends up almost as annoying for certain reasons - tho it is odd that I seem to disapprove every time Robbie 'experiments' e.g. falsetto on 'Trippin' as if I made my mind up long ago he was never going to do anything really good and this may be unfair).

Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 19:31 (seventeen years ago) link

The forthcoming Robbie album is a gazillion times better than this celeb memento.

I said in my Uncut review that reason people are fascinated by Paris isn't her hottness - which the record is obsessed with - but her wealth. The record could have been fantastic if the writers had the wit to completely up the bling ante - Madonna meets Marie Antoinette meets Grace Kelly - that's where Paris stands out. By trying to focus on her supposed sexxiness, the record was always bound to fail.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 19:38 (seventeen years ago) link

She does look really really pretty and enthusiastic in that photo that Lex keeps posting of her looking at the Mu "Paris Hilton" record. I don't know if that's 'hot' exactly but every time I see it I feel more kindly towards her.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 19:51 (seventeen years ago) link

The forthcoming Robbie album is a gazillion times better than this celeb memento.

I'm disappointed the PSBs would sooner produce for him than her (esp. given their fine pedigree working with female vocalists...Kensit and even Minelli not being that much of a step up from Hilton really!)

Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 19:55 (seventeen years ago) link

:D

http://www.outputrecordings.com/leanne-&-paris.jpg

I said in my Uncut review that reason people are fascinated by Paris isn't her hottness - which the record is obsessed with - but her wealth. The record could have been fantastic if the writers had the wit to completely up the bling ante - Madonna meets Marie Antoinette meets Grace Kelly - that's where Paris stands out. By trying to focus on her supposed sexxiness, the record was always bound to fail.

i agree that this would have been a really interesting avenue to pursue - i would have loved it - but i think the general public would have been v turned off by it. but the record doesn't really focus on her sexxiness - sure there are those three songs about turning people on, boys fighting over her &c but the bulk of the album is all about how much she wants to be loved and associated Real Love fantasies.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 19:57 (seventeen years ago) link

If Britney's comeback single sounded like the Style Council or Level 42 or something, people would make exactly the same comments.

Unless it sounded like Confessions of a Pop Group, which it totally should.

Domenico Buttez (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 22:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Review by Stephen Thomas Erlewine
As everybody knows, Paris Hilton is famous simply for existing. Even before she was a household name the heiress to the Hilton hotel fortune was famous in certain circles, partially because of her pedigree, partially because she was at every exclusive party, partially because of her very name, an instantly memorable and malleable moniker that spawned T-shirts ("Paris Hilton Is Burning") and gossip websites alike (perezhilton, naturally). All this hipster activity was bound to spill over into the mainstream and it did in a spectacular fashion in 2003 when she and Nicole Richie — her best friend for life circa 2003 — starred in the reality series The Simple Life, which saw the two pampered socialites attempting to fit into the real world of Wal-Marts and roadhouse saloons. Just before the series hit the airwaves, a sex tape of Paris with her ex-boyfriend Rick Solomon was leaked to the internet and the resulting media hoopla of the show and the porn made Paris a bona fide celebrity. Pretty soon, she was everywhere and she began dabbling in almost every part of the entertainment industry, from film to fashion. What all these projects had in common is that they all featured Paris as Paris — even when she was getting whacked in House of Wax, she wasn't really playing a character — and in all of them her presence never matched her persona, which always was more compelling as seen through the prism of tabloids. She seemed destined to never deliver any project that would justify her fame, and it certainly seemed that the album that she spent two years recording would not be the project that would be a flat-out success — that prolonged gestation for a pop album nearly guarantees trouble of some kind.

Amazingly, that long-to-materialize album (it's hard to call it highly anticipated) turns out to be shockingly good — and not just according to a grading curve for actors-turned-singers. After all, Paris was never an actress to begin with; she was a media creation who peddled the same image to a number of different formats, and it just so happens that her sexy, spoiled, shallow act is perfectly suited for bubblegum pop. Of course, it helps that she has a crack team of professionals supporting her on Paris, chief among them songwriter Kara DioGuardi and producer/co-writer Scott Storch, who is name-dropped on the first song "Turn It Up," and leaves a heavy imprint on the rest of the record producing just over half of it and serving as one of the executive producers along with Tom Whalley and Paris herself. They come up with a sound that's casually modern and retro with enough heft in its rhythms to sound good at clubs, yet it's designed to be heard outdoors on the sunniest day of the summer. This is exceedingly light music, as sweet and bubbly as a wine spritzer, yet it isn't so frothy that it floats away. Like the best lightweight pop, Paris retains its sense of fun through repeated listens, long past the point that the novelty of Paris Hilton releasing a good album has worn off. Make no mistake, Paris is a very good pop album, at times deliberately reminiscent of Blondie, Madonna, and Gwen Stefani, yet having its own distinct character — namely, Paris' persona, which is shamelessly shallow and devoid of any depth. Where that might be irritating within a movie or within pop culture at large, when placed in a shiny, hooky dance-pop album it works splendidly, particularly because the songs are strong and Storch and company know how to keep things light — and everybody involved knows that it's fun to play around with Paris' image, no matter if it's her murmuring "that's hot" at the beginning of the record or covering Rod Stewart's "Do Ya Think I'm Sexy," or writing about her feud with Nicole Ritchie on the delightful "Jealousy." But for as much as Paris is about Paris, she doesn't necessarily stand out here; her voice — which is almost certainly auto-tuned and tweaked by a computer, yet it's nevertheless appealing, more so than Britney Spears' often awkward squawk — may blend into the production, yet that actually helps the recordings since it emphasizes the melodies above everything else. And there are some irresistible melodies here: the breezy "Stars Are Blind," the gilded rush of "I Want You" driven by a "Grease" sample, the sweet "Time After Time" rewrite "Heartbeat," and the great power pop of "Screwed," for starters.

Yes, there is no denying that this is a pure piece of product, but it is indeed pure as product. Paris makes no apologies for being mass-market pop, but everybody involved made sure that this was well-constructed mass-market pop. It may not bear the mark of an auteur the way Christina Aguilera's Back to Basics does, but it never feels tossed-off, and track-for-track it's more fun than anything released by Britney Spears or Jessica Simpson, and a lot fresher, too. It's easy to hate Paris Hilton — lord knows that she and her friends like Brandon Davis are walking advertisements against the repeal of the estate tax — but any pop fan who listens to Paris with an open mind will find that it's nothing but fun.

deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 22:47 (seventeen years ago) link

and stephen thomas erlewine doesn't like anything

gear (gear), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 22:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Photoshop alert.

Scourage (Haberdager), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 00:20 (seventeen years ago) link

You can't hear the Mangum influence on her record?

Steve Go1dberg (Steve Schneeberg), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 00:30 (seventeen years ago) link

I'd bloody like to see her cover something like 'Holland 1945'. Nah, 'Ghost'. THAT would impress me.

Scourage (Haberdager), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 00:36 (seventeen years ago) link

I'll bet she'd do a mean "Oh Comely!"

Steve Go1dberg (Steve Schneeberg), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 00:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Except the cry of 'Oh, SHIT' at the end would have a slightly different thrust.

Scourage (Haberdager), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 01:02 (seventeen years ago) link

her voice — which is almost certainly auto-tuned and tweaked by a computer

Almost certainly!

Steve Go1dberg (Steve Schneeberg), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 06:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Photoshop alert.

YA DONT SAY!

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 06:50 (seventeen years ago) link

i think " a few screws loose", "thinks she's hott" and "self-absorbed" as all v good qualities in a popstar.

why?

Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 07:27 (seventeen years ago) link

oh fuck it i see that there's been commentary enough on livejournal (including zenith's usual i hate ilx rant).

lex's rhetoric on this one has just been 'everything you think is bad, is actually good'. but the strongest assertions -- that the songwriting is top-hole, that paris's soul comes through blah-blah-rockist-blah, that she has a great popstar persona -- are just bollocks.

i don't see how the thematic breakdown ('her songs are about the search for Real Love!!' yeah and?) helps matters.

Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 07:47 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm just... disappointed! by some big old fat lies in the lex's review. scott storch is not 'the best money can buy'. the statement "At a time when a perception of authenticity is necessary for both critical and commercial success" is untrue (look at the pussycat dolls), or just irrelevant -- 'paris' stands or falls apart from whatever the critical orthodoxy is. there's no need to lie, really; plenty of good music has been made by poor singers, so there's no pressing need to claim that paris's voice is up to snuff, when it isn't.

being taken up with prom queen/princess cliches deep in your twenties is also not especially endearing.

Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 08:28 (seventeen years ago) link

The video on her You Tube channel is nice.

rchinn (rchinn), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 21:45 (seventeen years ago) link

There are a few good songs on "Paris", I like it more than "Back To Basics". Xtina is clearly a better singer, but nobody has written a decent song for her so far (or I just fuckin' hate R&B), so I go for Paris, but neither of the two albums will be in my top 20 at the end of the year, that's for sure.
Moreover, some of the songs are good, not the "beating, yearning heart" of it.

zeus (zeus), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 22:26 (seventeen years ago) link

If any other name was attached to "Stars are Blind" it would get zero airplay, that's for sure.

darin (darin), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 22:42 (seventeen years ago) link

"Stars Are Blind" is a bland song sung poorly; there is nothing there for me to latch onto. I don't really have any interest in hearing the album (and I was kind of amazed you guys generated 170+ posts on it until I clicked on the thread, ha).

Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 23:08 (seventeen years ago) link

the whole fucking album is bland. The only way the album is tolerable is if you lower your expectations to the floor, so that you can then be surprised when she doesn't step on her dick with every track.

But it's way easier to be cynical and notice that everything about her vocal work is completely undistinguishable. She hired a hitmaker so she sounds like the rest of Storch's resume. B.F.D. I hear crap like this and kneel down at the altar of rockism with complete confidence.

don weiner (don weiner), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 23:51 (seventeen years ago) link

have you noticed that the review of her album on stylus has disappeared ? weird... any explanation for that, huh ?
(I must confess I haven't bought it yet...)

AleXTC (AleXTC), Thursday, 24 August 2006 09:02 (seventeen years ago) link

TS: 'Stars Are Blind' vs No Doubt's 'Underneath It All'

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 24 August 2006 09:13 (seventeen years ago) link

No Doubt in a landslide! Mentalist.

Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Thursday, 24 August 2006 10:09 (seventeen years ago) link

I thought it was a good song to bring up/compare with 'Stars Are Blind' at this point, cos I had this inkling that 'Underneath It All' was more popular at it's time even tho it shares qualities with 'Stars Are Blind' (cod-reggae, sung by blonde girl with a voice that really pisses some people off if perhaps not actually 'bland'). It probably is better, but not by that much imo.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 24 August 2006 10:27 (seventeen years ago) link

If any other name was attached to "Stars are Blind" it would get zero airplay, that's for sure.

but the point is that it IS paris hilton. it's a pop song so the person matters as much as the song itself!

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Thursday, 24 August 2006 10:45 (seventeen years ago) link

It's also totally not what people really expected her single to sound like (well I didn't at least). Whether that indicates that it would've got played regardless of what it had sounded like or whether it's getting played despite defying expectations somewhat I'm not sure.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 24 August 2006 10:47 (seventeen years ago) link

"If any other name was attached to "Stars are Blind" it would get zero airplay, that's for sure."
but the point is that it IS paris hilton. it's a pop song so the person matters as much as the song itself!

-- Nathalie (stevi...), August 24th, 2006.

well yes. and it's paris hilton. so the hateful non-singing minor celebrity matters almost as much as the unobjectionable-but-hardly-outstanding lite-reggae track. fan-bloody-tastic.

Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Thursday, 24 August 2006 10:52 (seventeen years ago) link

If any other name was attached to "Stars are Blind" it would get zero airplay, that's for sure.

well similar songs got airplay when the name No Doubt was attached to them!

so the hateful non-singing minor celebrity

why is she hateful? i don't understand why paris hilton provokes so much ire compared with, oh, any other given popstar/entertainment sleb who get, if not admired, then not reviled.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 24 August 2006 10:55 (seventeen years ago) link

"Stars Are Blind" is good but "Underneath It All" is much better - for Lady Saw alone!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 24 August 2006 10:59 (seventeen years ago) link

she is famous for being very rich, giving someone a blowjob, and despising poor people. if this doesn't condemn her in your view, neither does it mean that there's any reason to admire her.

xpost

Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:01 (seventeen years ago) link

You missed out the racism, and reneging on a promise to do a charity event for starving children because "I haven't got enough time".

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:03 (seventeen years ago) link

being rich and giving blowjobs are fine by me! i do the latter and would like to be the former.

despising poor people - i refer you to paris's own quote upthread re "the real me"

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:05 (seventeen years ago) link

You went to private school, you already are "rich".

There's also a private school/blowjob gag here but I can't be bothered to make it.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:06 (seventeen years ago) link

here is a sensible person:

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,6903,1572890,00.html

Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Er Lex I don't think she can explain despising poor people as being part of her media mask.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Jawbreaker “Fireman”

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:07 (seventeen years ago) link

lex she is *famous for* those things, is the point. not for, you know, being talented or otherwise heroic.

Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:07 (seventeen years ago) link

as for 'the real me' -- this is a very straightforward notion of identity from one of ilx's top contrarians.

Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:08 (seventeen years ago) link

dom you really have a v reductive and inaccurate perspective on the uk class system for someone who spends most of their time going on and on ad nauseam about it

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:14 (seventeen years ago) link


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