Sea Devils And Die: GeroniMoffat's Doctor Who In The 2010s

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More than this atrocity did?

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Shirley not!

mister_thoth, Saturday, 3 April 2010 20:48 (fourteen years ago) link

ok amy growing up into river song would be an absolute fucking travesty? i mean not only for the sheer laziness - like the whole 'sally sparrow for new companion!!' tedium, why is it any time there's a charming female character dudes are like 'let's stop at this one'? But also, I can't put this all that clearly, but there is something fundamentally awesome in "girl has an imaginary friend at seven, and then he turns out to be real and they go on adventures" which would be smothered by "oh and she becomes his most trusted boon companion 51st century kickass archaeologist river song".

drama queen woman candidate (c sharp major), Saturday, 3 April 2010 21:00 (fourteen years ago) link

Hey, I did say it was wild speculation - and predictable. Moffat's a much smarter writer than that.

I like the setup for Amy's relationship with the Doctor a lot, even if it does have a bit of a hint of "The Girl In The Fireplace" about it. I'm really looking forward to seeing what Moffat does with this series.

mister_thoth, Saturday, 3 April 2010 21:13 (fourteen years ago) link

There was some quite "Girl in the Fireplace"-y music playing during the slow reveal of the house after his first "brb" moment

Top Geir (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 3 April 2010 21:15 (fourteen years ago) link

oh no that probably means there's a whole bunch of nobs "predicting" that Amy is also Madame Pompadour then...

mdskltr (blueski), Saturday, 3 April 2010 21:30 (fourteen years ago) link

Like it. Like him - less in your face, less gurning. Like the time afforded for calm sections - the freneticism of RTD/David Tennant got wearing on the nerves. Like the fairy tale element. Like what perhaps were little references to the previous reign? (DT being made to have an English accent/Amelia Pond goes from English to Scottish + instead of the RTD tv news channels across the world thing, just tuning the radio).

Liked the early childhood scenes.

Music was terrible.

Remember me, but o! forget my feet (GamalielRatsey), Saturday, 3 April 2010 21:32 (fourteen years ago) link

deliberately rendering the screwdriver and the TARDIS useless was the biggest nod to the previous regime I think

Top Geir (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 3 April 2010 21:35 (fourteen years ago) link

new Tardis possibly a wee bit Steampunk for my liking

Top Geir (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 3 April 2010 21:36 (fourteen years ago) link

Yep, good point about the screwdriver and tardis, it was good that bit. And less needless sudden grinning as well, that used to drive me spare about both Ecclestone and Tennant.

Remember me, but o! forget my feet (GamalielRatsey), Saturday, 3 April 2010 22:13 (fourteen years ago) link

Wee! Loved! Enjoyed the 'corner of your eye' stuff...Moff's so good with the stuff-of-nightmares stuff. And the build up to fish custard was lovely. And Amelia Pond has a nice edge to her as well as being incredibly gorgeous. Got a faint hint of Donna shoutiness in her, which I hope comes out a bit more.

But all round exciting good fun. Ripping stuff!

VegemiteGrrrl, Saturday, 3 April 2010 22:51 (fourteen years ago) link

I am very much not stoked for the new series. Matt Smith is, let's face it, not David Tennant. In any way. I keep telling myself "b-b-but Steven Moffat", but it's not working. I may well not feel like this on Saturday night, I know.

OMG how wrong was I? <3 Matt Smith already. Slightly driven to distraction by Amy's accent (which, as someone who left Inverness and only goes back into full-on accent in the presence of other Invernessians, is a rubbish and massively hypocritical criticism), but otherwise, great.

awww Lil Ailsa saying her prayers.

Yes, that was remarked upon here. How the hell do you know what I looked like when I was that age?

"You're Scottish - fry stuff" = top lolz.

Alex Kingston was in the "coming soon" trailer, btw. As was James Corden, Bill Nighy and Meera Syal, who are evidently less spoilertastic.

ailsa, Saturday, 3 April 2010 23:00 (fourteen years ago) link

I dunno, James Corden spoiled it for me

Top Geir (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 3 April 2010 23:01 (fourteen years ago) link

lol

ailsa, Saturday, 3 April 2010 23:03 (fourteen years ago) link

I suspect any Tennantisms in Matt Smith are down to - or could be plausibly attributed to - the Doctor being in a transitional phase. I think there was enough evidence that he will become less Tennanty as the series progresses.

Top Geir (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 3 April 2010 23:06 (fourteen years ago) link

Tell you what I really loved: no big regen crisis! (aside from a bit of a bellyache). First new doctor story we've had without some "he's amnesiac/asleep/insane/whatever" since...tom baker?

JimD, Saturday, 3 April 2010 23:08 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, I liked that too (though the pre-credits OMG-I-can't-control-the-TARDIS bit gave me the fear, thankfully wrongly).

New title sequence was horrible, btw.

ailsa, Saturday, 3 April 2010 23:13 (fourteen years ago) link

real test when it comes down to the normal time. i know there was a lot of info to put into this one, but the episode had time to actually breathe, which was sorely missing in RTD days.

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Saturday, 3 April 2010 23:15 (fourteen years ago) link

So, that bingo card: I make it yesses on:

Geronimo
secondary character spouts cryptic prophesy
Shadow Proclamation namechecked
Run!
Flashback or recap of regeneration (if show of doctors counts to that)
Amy gets tour of TARDIS
Alien invasion on the news (was it on the news or just on telly?)
Doctor admires his own reflection (nicely done!)
Shapeshifting alien is a dog (whoever did these cards has seen this, right?)
Aliens take over earth communications devices blah blah
swirly blue vortex in new title sequence O NO RLY?

So, not that many, but a good few. Some obvious ones not done. Yet.

ailsa, Saturday, 3 April 2010 23:21 (fourteen years ago) link

btw, has the TARDIS always had a mezzanine floor?

ailsa, Saturday, 3 April 2010 23:22 (fourteen years ago) link

err...

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So either the Tardis caused the cracks in time and space, or the thing making the cracks is also inside the Tardis?

James Mitchell, Saturday, 3 April 2010 23:28 (fourteen years ago) link

Or that's two wobbly lines of different shapes?

ailsa, Saturday, 3 April 2010 23:33 (fourteen years ago) link

I dunno, James Corden spoiled it for me

― Top Geir (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 4 April 2010 00:01 (34 minutes ago) Bookmark

maybe he dies? got to look on the bright side.

joe, Saturday, 3 April 2010 23:38 (fourteen years ago) link

hopefully something prolonged and undignified

Top Geir (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 3 April 2010 23:40 (fourteen years ago) link

Tell you what I really loved: no big regen crisis!

The bit where Sophie Peep Show turned into him and he was all "WTF is that? Oh right, is that what I look like?" was nicely done. I did also really appreciate the lack of Tennant, making a clean break was really good (as a firm "OMG not going to be the same without him" Tennant stan, it seemed so much easier to put him behind me and get with Matt Smith).

ailsa, Saturday, 3 April 2010 23:48 (fourteen years ago) link

Also the completely rubbish Patrick Moore cameo.

ailsa, Saturday, 3 April 2010 23:50 (fourteen years ago) link

I wonder whether aldo hated it.

JimD, Sunday, 4 April 2010 06:01 (fourteen years ago) link

"Kiss-o-gram," eh??

Daleks in NYC (Leee), Sunday, 4 April 2010 06:04 (fourteen years ago) link

Bingo also:
Nobody dies
TARDIS referred to as she (he called her sexy)

Is Patrick Moore the new Churchill-looking PM of the UK?

Daleks in NYC (Leee), Sunday, 4 April 2010 06:08 (fourteen years ago) link

Slightly farther to the Right than Churchill iirc

Top Geir (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 4 April 2010 07:59 (fourteen years ago) link

dug Matt Smith, really good to have someone new in the role. loved Tennant but I hadn't realized just how annoying his angsty doctor had gotten towards the end.

only thing i hated was music and title sequence. which bums me out cause i really like the new logo.

Roz, Sunday, 4 April 2010 08:06 (fourteen years ago) link

As good a debut as I could have hoped for! Really enjoyed it, Matt Smith was very Tennant-esque, but I think he'll get more room to stretch his legs very soon and he was nonetheless quite entertaining. Amy was really cute, trademark Moffatt lurking horror and time jump stuff being very cool and looking forward to more! (I am enthused.)

Nhex, Sunday, 4 April 2010 10:11 (fourteen years ago) link

Gah I'm away for the weekend and can't watch this but there's total anticipation building now that seemingly everyone likes it.

Matt DC, Sunday, 4 April 2010 10:24 (fourteen years ago) link

That conference call/Jeff stuff was a bit sketchy tho. Actually it was baloney, but I think you can excuse that sort of thing if the tone was good.

Also not sure about the Johnny 5 Alive! 'what have I missed' bit on the village green.

Remember me, but o! forget my feet (GamalielRatsey), Sunday, 4 April 2010 10:24 (fourteen years ago) link

I welcomed the use of a village setting, maybe because it feels more trad Who than the now over-used inner city London tower blocks of the nu-Who. It helps give the series a different feel. It's less trying to be 'relevant to the kids of today', which was always kind of hopeless.

Little Amelia was great, though I don't really agree she would've made a good companion, just for boring practical reasons I suppose. She would be too much of a burden in tight corners, too dependant on the Doctor.
Plus Amy is saucy.

As an opener it was typically flashy, and a touch hyperactive, but Matt Smith hit the ground running imo, and I'm looking forward to more of Moffat's dark fairytale take.

Duke Newsom (DavidM), Sunday, 4 April 2010 11:21 (fourteen years ago) link

started groaning at the so-overdone 'all that amazing stuff that happened' and then proper lol'd at the 'that was two years ago!'.

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Sunday, 4 April 2010 11:45 (fourteen years ago) link

James Corden, Bill Nighy and Meera Syal

guess this is the kind of shit that zerofies my interest in giving it another go

conrad, Sunday, 4 April 2010 11:57 (fourteen years ago) link

I like that the kiss-o-gram job showed that his failure to return forced her into sex work, in the mildest possible way.

demonic splendor, demonic majesty (Abbott), Sunday, 4 April 2010 17:27 (fourteen years ago) link

The episode started as a nice nod to the start of the Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy, which was nice. Good to start with the Tardis being unreliable, a good old who standby. Coma patients speaking is becoming a little hackneyed. Good fun though, and i look forward to the rest.

Only thing that tested my suspension of disbelief was the existence of a rural cottage hospital in brown's broken 21st century Britain.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Sunday, 4 April 2010 17:42 (fourteen years ago) link

I think I missed it, but who were the people that were introduced later in the episode, the elderly lady and her son or grandson - were they friends/neighbors of Amy's?

musically, Sunday, 4 April 2010 18:33 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, friends/neighbours. Pretty weak and slightly confusing tho.

Remember me, but o! forget my feet (GamalielRatsey), Sunday, 4 April 2010 18:40 (fourteen years ago) link

First DW I've really enjoyed in a *long* time. Completely convinced by Matt Smith by 5 mins in. Anyone know where it was set?

Not the real Village People, Sunday, 4 April 2010 22:35 (fourteen years ago) link

A fictional village of Leadworth - filmed as usual around Cardiff.

Nhex, Sunday, 4 April 2010 23:20 (fourteen years ago) link

Really loved this, except for the music. I wish Murray Gold would have some sort of major life epiphany that makes him give up composing forever.

ô_o (Nicole), Monday, 5 April 2010 01:48 (fourteen years ago) link

So good!

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Monday, 5 April 2010 02:00 (fourteen years ago) link

Loved it--Smith seemed just like the Doctor to me. A great start.

Guess which newspaper?

The revealing outfit prompted a flood of comments on online message boards, with a section of fans accusing producers of 'shamelessly sexing up' the long-running family show and labelling it 'slutty'.

Writing about Amy, one viewer in an online forum asked: 'Why did she dress up as a tarty policewoman? Surely that's not fitting for a family show.'

Another said: 'They've completely demeaned Doctor Who by replacing good episode stories with slutty girls.'

James Mitchell, Monday, 5 April 2010 09:07 (fourteen years ago) link

i liked the new title music, if only because they'd ditched the guitars and put synths back in.

the storm clouds and fire textures in the tunnels were too earthly though. it's science fiction, make it look fantastic, not everyday.

koogs, Monday, 5 April 2010 09:48 (fourteen years ago) link

golly, this was swell. new tardis looked super cool, and preview of future eps was pretty jaw-dropping (daleks vs. fighter planes?). loved the character design of the aliens, espesh the snowflake-eye-ship.

ampersand (remy bean), Monday, 5 April 2010 10:44 (fourteen years ago) link

Writing about Amy, one viewer in an online forum asked: 'Why did she dress up as a tarty policewoman? Surely that's not fitting for a family show.'

sooooo... been thinking about maybe giving this a watch?

rip sarah silverman 3/19/10 never forget (history mayne), Monday, 5 April 2010 10:50 (fourteen years ago) link

aldo is not in the country so has not seen this yet.

Diamanti Gallas (aldo), Monday, 5 April 2010 12:25 (fourteen years ago) link


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