The very real possibility that vinyl will outlive CD - T or F?

the soundscan stats count only vinyl LPs sold in soundscan locations. the amount of 12"s and other singles/EPs/underground albums that are sold in places that dont report to soundscan has to be double those figures. plus any used vinyl shops! alot of records still get sold, and it will continue to happen. i dont see that ever ending, people will still be making vinyl as well, even if on a small basis. compare that to CDs which will have no advantage compared to a higher resolution digital file, i just dont see why people would keep making them.

there will be vinyl as long as pressing plants can afford to stay in business. there will be pressing plants as long as there are a billion suburban emo bands who want to put out a 7".

(well, you know what i mean.)

the big difference, which someone must have pointed out already, is that anyone can make a CD. very very few people can make an LP. things that anyone can make will probably outlive things that practically no one can make.

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PEOPLE CAN'T DELETE RECORDS
PEOPLE DON'T BUY USED MP3S

the big difference, which someone must have pointed out already, is that anyone can make a CD. very very few people can make an LP. things that anyone can make will probably outlive things that practically no one can make.

In the future, the only CDs we will use will be CDrs and we will use them just as we used floppy disks in the nineties.

"In the future, the only CDs we will use will be CDrs and we will use them just as we used floppy disks in the nineties.

-- ian"

in the future? that sounds like today to me. i dont even need CDs in the car as my radio has a minijack plug on the front of it so i can play straight off my ipod or any other portable device. i use CDs primarily for listening to while i fall asleep, and for purchasing hardcopies of music that is not avalaible on vinyl that i must own.

I've always liked portable cassettes the most. They sort of force you to listen to complete albums (or at least whole sides) because it's always such an inconvenience to fast forward/rewind/pause to leap between songs.

And I like the trebly sound and odd, accidental depth.

It's sad that they will probably be lost forever.

I act like buying cultural artifacts is so horrible but I took an entire morning a month or so ago to go to the tea shop, walk around the corner to the record store, and buy the album I wanted on vinyl (new Liars album). It has a nicely designed insert and is pleasing to the eye on my floor! Also the tea was excellent and it was a beautiful morning, and people asked me what record I got because it wasn't a small cd case rolling around in a shopping bag.

if petroleum prices go up, you won't

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I like how half the people on this thread assume that the way they use and consume music is the exact way every other person on the planet uses and consumes music.

the way they use and consume music is the exact way every other person on the planet uses and consumes music.

.... or the way every other person on the planet should etc....

no wait, you guys are right. people will forget all about ipods and the idea of them being able to play better quality files in the future. people will stick with CDs. they will have huge collections of them just like people have of vinyl now. vinyl will die. along with you guys, thankfully.

you definately need a kick in the balls

DG--it wasn't funny the first time

What, are you 12 or something? xp

don't just take my word for it

Okay, I'm not going to engage in debate with someone who's going to wish death on me. It's not worth my stress.

This thread will be really interesting to read a decade from now, so I'm going to go ahead and give my future self in 2017 a shoutout. Sorry for all the dumb things I'll do.

I'm in the vinyl + downloading camp. Nearly all of my disposable income goes to records.

if drugs were cheaper i wouldnt download music

or I'd pay for it

I buy CD's these days pretty much solely to have a quality hard copy for albums i really really like so i can rip them to my computer at any time.

Vinyl will always be around and will outlive CD's, but I doubt the current resurgence of vinyl interest beyond that of serious music fans will last long.

The Garden State effect. Seriously (kinda). I, embarassingly, know of two people who bought turntables after seeing Natalie Portman's room in that movie.

-- jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:29 PM (29 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Yes! Hahaha I know some people who did this too.

Probably worth noting, from one of the sidebars to that Billboard piece (which I edited, but what the hell):

No one is making new vinyl pressing machines. "We can't buy the machines anymore, so we rebuild them as we go," [United Record Pressing plant manager Dave] Jump says.
Likewise, some aspects of vinyl manufacturing are so specialized and bordering obsolete that at some plants, only one person is trained to perform certain functions. "We were going to put out an album in vinyl, but there was only one guy at the company who could glue the sleeve properly, but he hurt his arm, and they couldn't complete the album on time," one major-label head of sales says. "So we had to scramble and go elsewhere."
...In the last two years, two vinyl plants, 33 1/3 and Hub Servell, have closed their doors, one industry executive says."

I still buy just about anything.

scott seward - nice collection, of course, but how do you keep the youngster from tattering all your goodies. The only worn-out CD i have is a MP3 comp that spent less than 60 seconds in the presence of my two-year-old. My proper collection resides in a room i won't even let me boy into. Asshole; i know.

Michael Jones, on the consequence of format -- for some reason the thoughtful insights you share regarding format limitations are something i fear many engineers lack.

On deterioration. An associate at the record store i worked at back in the 80s would routinely throw her discs on the floor and step on them to prove the invincibility of the format. Ignoramus. I myself have never considered the CD a portable format and pity the fools who practice otherwise.

On MP3s - they sound crap at 192kbps to the point where i'd actually prefer a cassette. If you jack up the volume through a good stereo even low bit MP3s sound passable. I positively love the capacity as well as the ability to play tunes in 5+ hour slabs. Also, since most of these are e-pirated, at the end of the day, don’t really hold them in very high regard.

On the demise of CDs - I hope not, but, i really don't care. The bigger issue is hardware; as i doubt there are manufacturers that make disc players that really last. Sure, i know i can dump it all to a hard drive, but where's the fun in that?

On DVD/CD/MP3 players -- is it just me or does anybody else around here despise having to turn on the friggin' TELEVISION to navigate through an MP3 discs folders? Can’t you make me a little alphanumeric screen on the unit (or remote) so I can get around a little more precisely than dead reckoning?

On Ipods and digital devices-- once again, the bigger crime is the fact that these units are crap and offer no real safe harbor for archiving. Flash memory holds promise, but i'd sure as hell rather haul my stax around than have to manage some monster digital archive along with all it's requisite back-ups and hard copies. It's like that old Steven Wright joke about his "actual size" map (1 mile equals 1 mile).

maybe this is mean, but i'm always kinda rooting for the demise of everything.

love, that guy who buys old vhs tapes twenty at a time at yard sales

(CDs at yard sales are already treated like yesterday's meatballs. a quarter. fifty cents. people just want to get rid of them. more for me!)

there's nothing sadder than cds of failed, anonymous major label acts.

owning a bunch of them comes pretty close

cds left over once Tower closed to thread

;_;

Cheap LPs always look potentially interesting - cheap CDs look beyond sad

anyone want some tripmaster monkey discs?

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cds left over once Tower closed to thread

-- sexyDancer, Tuesday, November 20, 2007 3:30 PM (Tuesday, November 20, 2007 3:30 PM) Bookmark Link

But what of the 88 leftover Celly Cell cassettes?

"Okay, I'm not going to engage in debate with someone who's going to wish death on me. It's not worth my stress.

-- The Reverend"

im not wishing, im guaranteeing it. unless somehow you are immortal.....

along with you guys, thankfully.

ban pipecock.

BAN PIPECOCK, rather

It's like that old Steven Wright joke about his "actual size" map (1 mile equals 1 mile).

i think that was originally an umberto eco joke

George: But surely, Sir, you must allow me to at least try and save him.

Melchett: No, George. It would be as pointless as trying to teach a woman the value of a good, forward defensive stroke. Besides, it would take a superman to get him out of there, not the kind of weed who blubs just because somebody gives him a slice of rabbit pie instead of birthday cake.

George: Well, I suppose you're right, Sir.

Melchett: Course I am. Now let's talk about something more jolly, shall we? Look, this is the amount of land we've recaptured since yesterday.

[Melchett and George move over to the map table.]

George: Oh, excellent.

Melchett: Erm, what is the actual scale of this map, Darling?

Darling: Erm, one-to-one, Sir.

Melchett: Come again?

Darling: Er, the map is actually life-size, Sir. It's superbly detailed. Look, look, there's a little worm.

Melchett: Oh, yes. So the actual amount of land retaken is?

[Darling whips out a tape measure amd measures the table.]

Darling: Excuse me, Sir. Seventeen square feet, Sir.

Borges short story too

even though i'm not really into vinyl per se my mom made me this awesome birthday cake because she knows i'm a big music fan:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/sexymollusk/DSCN1321.jpg

(yes, that's a toothpick as the needle!)

i love my mom!

Awes.

haha that rules!

DON'T STACK VINYL HORIZONTALLY FOR GOD'S SAKE

Uh-oh, skot has incurred the wrath of Sick Mouthy.

what, you mean my 45s? fuck my 45s. they'll outlive me. but i don't plan on keeping them there long. i just needed a place to put them for now. i need to find the right spot for them. i was sick of having them in boxes. i need to go through them all too. weed out the crap.

THEY'LL WARP AND STUFF AND BE UNPLAYABLE - ALSO, HOW TO GET THE ONES AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PILE OUT??!!

YOU DON'T WANT TO GET THEM OUT! THAT'S WHY THEY ARE AT THE BOTTOM!

best configuration - stacked vertically end-to-end, obv

"THEY'LL WARP AND STUFF AND BE UNPLAYABLE"

oh please. maybe in 50 years! and i've bought plenty of 45s that had obviously been sitting in stacks like that for decades that were fine. they are hardy little beasts.

funny though - stayed at an old friend's house last nite and they had stacks of records in an outside room that were all stacked so that they were bending and i brought this to their attention. cuz it bugs me when i see things like that. turns out they didn't want them anyway so i ended up taking the ones i wanted out of the bunch! got some good stuff too!