Or a lot of accessible music is complex, however you wanna phrase it
― The Oort Locker (Tom D.), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 14:51 (3 years ago) Permalink
laughing stock because new grass is meandering perfection.
― zingzing, Tuesday, 16 March 2010 14:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
I recently listened to the first 3 TT albums on repeat for an evening and it was LOVELY
― ilxor lookin' boy (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 14:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
i always get these two mixed up but one of them has a song with a really prominent cowbell or something that mars it, so the other one.
― DJ Get Up Kids (jim in glasgow), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 15:01 (3 years ago) Permalink
if you are talking about 'after the flood' then i don't even
― ilxor lookin' boy (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 15:02 (3 years ago) Permalink
i am not talking about after the flood.
― DJ Get Up Kids (jim in glasgow), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 15:03 (3 years ago) Permalink
because i just put that on and it's one of my favourite tracks off either album.
― DJ Get Up Kids (jim in glasgow), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 15:04 (3 years ago) Permalink
oh it might be 'i believe in you'
yeah 'after the flood' is a tremendous achievement, and maybe even the best song called 'after the flood' (VdGG's one is fucking spectacular too)
― ilxor lookin' boy (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 15:06 (3 years ago) Permalink
this is totally "Desire"
― akon/family (Curt1s Stephens), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 15:21 (3 years ago) Permalink
which rules
Both of these are the best record ever made. One of them I can actually play when other people are around (and often), the other I can only hear alone and every few years, but I think about its 'forms' and 'feel' every single day.
― Chatbot LeFonque (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 15:26 (3 years ago) Permalink
I didn't want to say "Desire" because that's possibly one of my 10 favourite songs ever written, and definitely my top TT track.
― ilxor lookin' boy (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 15:27 (3 years ago) Permalink
I listen to these a lot less than people would probabaly imagine. And I still get accused of talking about them too much even though I don't. I listen to John Cope a LOT, though.
I think the Rainbow triptych at the start of SoE wears me out so much so that I lose attention after I Believe In You.
― No, YOU'RE a disgusting savage (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 15:28 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah it was desire!
sorry guys. I can't get past the cowbell.
― DJ Get Up Kids (jim in glasgow), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 15:28 (3 years ago) Permalink
LS i think. hard decision.
― shite new answers (cutty), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 15:29 (3 years ago) Permalink
the cowbell is awesome!
Nick, that means you lose attention for one track, and that track is BEAUTY ITSELF set to tape with the greatest fadeout in the history of fadeouts
― ilxor lookin' boy (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 15:32 (3 years ago) Permalink
also the verse of Desire has my favourite chord-sequence
― ilxor lookin' boy (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 15:33 (3 years ago) Permalink
My first hundred listens of Spirit were on cassette so I didn't have that fatigue problem. Basically treated it as two EPs.
― Chatbot LeFonque (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 15:42 (3 years ago) Permalink
Likewise I'm so worn out by the start of New Grass that I float through that track (my favourite) and have pretty much no idea what happens afterwards. Luckily Runei is conducive to this.
― No, YOU'RE a disgusting savage (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 15:46 (3 years ago) Permalink
Have any of you dudes heard Laughing Stock the song, by Love?
Laughing Stock the song, by Grandaddy, is good
Nick ffs Runeii is fucking astonishing and as I keep saying its air of finality is absolute - it's one of the most certain pieces of music I've heard
― ilxor lookin' boy (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 15:49 (3 years ago) Permalink
But it's so uncertain! So hesitant, and tempting.
― No, YOU'RE a disgusting savage (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 15:50 (3 years ago) Permalink
it repeats the very, very simple and beautiful structure it has, and redoubles the final piano motif - doesn't get more comprehensive than that - zen-like iirc
― ilxor lookin' boy (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 15:51 (3 years ago) Permalink
there is literally nothing left to say - not many bands have even approached this point let alone reached it
― ilxor lookin' boy (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 15:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
Voted Laughing Stock. It's the one I heard first.
^
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 15:57 (3 years ago) Permalink
I’ll pretty much buy any album going if someone tells me it sounds like ‘Laughing Stock’.
― AnotherDeadHero, Tuesday, 16 March 2010 12:30 (3 hours ago) Bookmark
Can you give some examples of these?
― bham, Tuesday, 16 March 2010 16:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
Spirit of Eden?
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 16:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
bark psychosis amirite
also hood - rustic houses, forlorn valleys and the occasional catherine wheel song
neither are that close, though. nobody's close.
― ilxor lookin' boy (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 16:20 (3 years ago) Permalink
Autistic Daughters - Jealousy and Diamond
― Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Farting in Space (NickB), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 16:41 (3 years ago) Permalink
Voted for Spirit of Eden, but Runeii is one of the most perfect things ever.
― Marco Damiani, Tuesday, 16 March 2010 16:43 (3 years ago) Permalink
My SoE/LS songs poll from a couple years back: The Spirit of Eden/Laughing Stock Individual Songs Poll
Also, a previous SoE vs. LS poll: Talk Talk: 'Spirit of Eden' vs. 'Laughing Stock'
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 16:52 (3 years ago) Permalink
I voted for Laughing Stock but they are both in my top 30 albums of all time.
For me Talk Talk are one of the few artists I can think of that got better with each album.
― Kitchen Person, Tuesday, 16 March 2010 18:26 (3 years ago) Permalink
not enough love for "the colour of spring"
― shite new answers (cutty), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 21:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
i prefer Laughing Stock but just barely.
― akm, Tuesday, 16 March 2010 21:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
This is my personal fav. Talk Talk album.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 21:33 (3 years ago) Permalink
Splits the difference between '80s new-wave/synth pop and eventually stripping the medium to its essential elements. ;-)
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 21:34 (3 years ago) Permalink
oh, you mean post rock?
― shite new answers (cutty), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 21:48 (3 years ago) Permalink
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(...yes?)
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 22:01 (3 years ago) Permalink
you're wrong anyway. "the colour of spring" is a lost balearic classic. ;)
― shite new answers (cutty), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 22:03 (3 years ago) Permalink
I got both of these at the same time & they sort of bleed into one monumental mega-album for me, so this is pretty much a coin toss.
These will always be their canonical albums, but it is worth mentioning that, as "transitional" albums go, The Colour of Spring is one of the best.
― Man or Austro-Hungarian? (Pillbox), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 22:08 (3 years ago) Permalink
lol xp
listened to these back to back today and it's laughing stock by a good distance for me i'm surprised to say.
― DJ Get Up Kids (jim in glasgow), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 22:43 (3 years ago) Permalink
really love the drumming on both of these records. fantastic stuff.
― shite new answers (cutty), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 22:46 (3 years ago) Permalink
^^^yes
― ilxor lookin' boy (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 22:46 (3 years ago) Permalink
whenever i want to imagine a really resonant, thick drum sound, such as when an oil can is struck, i imagine these records
― ilxor lookin' boy (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 22:47 (3 years ago) Permalink
Laughing Stock for me, they're both incredible although I agree that the cowbell in 'Desire' is off-putting.
― Gavin in Leeds, Tuesday, 16 March 2010 23:00 (3 years ago) Permalink
guys what the fuck, that drum solo in 'desire' is transcendent
― ilxor lookin' boy (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 23:01 (3 years ago) Permalink
i hate the drum solo in desire. not just the cowbell. but mainly the cowbell.
― DJ Get Up Kids (jim in glasgow), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 23:02 (3 years ago) Permalink
-_-
― ilxor lookin' boy (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 23:06 (3 years ago) Permalink
Get the Asides Besides comp.
Echoing this.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Saturday, 20 March 2010 17:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
xpost: I'm quite sure the 1997 CD is a remaster of SoE (it is listed as such on Amazon: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Spirit-Eden-Remastered-Talk/dp/B000005RS5/ref=pd_bxgy_m_h__img_b)
I too have both albums on vinyl as well as CD, but my SoE vinyl is a rather crackly, beaten 2nd hand copy.
I'lll definitely be picking up Asides... after the love shown for it here.
― Duke, Saturday, 20 March 2010 18:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
"It's Getting Late in the Evening" is just absolutely gorgeous. That, "John Cope," and "For What It's Worth" are why you can't live without Asides Besides.
And I wish somebody would publish a giant coffee table book with all the illustrations from Talk Talk's albums and singles.
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Saturday, 20 March 2010 21:49 (3 years ago) Permalink
Didn't vote, either. I would probably have voted LS, but you know, it's like trying to quantify the difference between heaven and paradise, really.
― Lostandfound, Sunday, 21 March 2010 05:25 (3 years ago) Permalink
Spirit of Eden Vinyl Reissue from EMI coming early April with 24bit WAV files on Bonus DVD.
Gentlemen.....stop your ebaying......
― my opinionation (Hamildan), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 23:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
I picked up a sealed copy of that a couple months ago for dirt cheap.
― van smack, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 00:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
I bought Spirit of Eden reissued on vinyl in December? They tacked John Cope on the end of side 2.
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 01:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
ooh, they're doing colour of spring, too!
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 01:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
John Cope is a great track but I have problems with including it on the vinyl version of SoE. Not only does it mess with the song cycle (and there's no choice to drop it with a custom playlist), but conceivably the grooves would be made tighter to accommodate the extra track.
I assume that the digital files that accompany this new version will be 24bit/96khz? Wondering how these will compare with the SACD version from 2006.
― doug watson, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 01:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
the john cope version is a BOOTLEG dawgs
― cutty, Thursday, 16 February 2012 22:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
The way to do it is a bonus 7" with John Cope b/w It's Getting Late In The Evening
― Axolotl with an Atlatl (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 16 February 2012 23:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
"Spirit of Eden Vinyl Reissue from EMI coming early April with 24bit WAV files on Bonus DVD"
well fuck it might be time to stick my sacds on ebay then
― akm, Thursday, 16 February 2012 23:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
I would have probably voted for 'Spirit Of Eden' in this, but for me this is definitely a bit of a tough one to call.
― Turrican, Friday, 17 February 2012 23:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
I was listening to these albums again for the first time in a while recently. I still rate them both about equally, but would give LS the slight edge because of "New Grass". The last ninety seconds of that song is the most profoundly moving passage of music I've ever heard, although even saying that is to banalise it, without wishing to be too lofty. :)
― Freedom, Saturday, 18 February 2012 17:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
I may have mentioned it somewhere upthread, but I'd heard that song so many times before I ever really even noticed the bass line. It was one of the closest things I've ever had to a true musical epiphany. Now I turn it way up and get lost in the low end.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 18 February 2012 20:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
Something I wrote about that song in my blog a couple of years ago:
Talk Talk - New GrassThis is the song I'd play to someone just about to kill himself. No. Maybe that should say that's the song I would play to myself if I was about to leave this world on my own. The beauty of this song transcends the appeal death could have for someone who has lost all hope. It is the warmest, most caressing, most soothing song on Laughing Stock. It's a holy song, the lyrics use Christian terminology: sacrament, Christ, heaven, vow. Mark Hollis is English, if he had been from India he would sing about Vishnu or Krishna, the words and names don't matter. It's all about the music. What reaches our brain via the ears directly without the interference of the ratio. Call it truth, love or anything. I think I would call it trust.
― alex in mainhattan, Sunday, 19 February 2012 08:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
both equally overrated
― Poliopolice, Sunday, 19 February 2012 08:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
I first listened to Spirit of Eden at a time of crisis in my life. It was the year I graduated college and my first love/first relationship ended. I was at rock bottom. Spirit of Eden was the most deeply moving and spiritually cathartic album I had ever heard.
Around the same time, I had also listened to similar albums such as Hex (Bark Psychosis) which became one of my favorite albums and is, for me, perfect late-night listening and the quintessential winter album. At this time, I listened to Laughing Stock, as well, and, although its instrumental complexities were entrancing, it simply did not speak to my emotions the way Spirit of Eden did.
Spirit of Eden is still the album I go to when I'm at my lowest and searching for my path.
It's one of my Desert Island albums, alongsideA Storm in Heaven (The Verve)No Other (Gene Clark)Lazer Guided Melodies (Spiritualized)
― Graveyard Poet, Monday, 25 February 2013 09:35 (3 months ago) Permalink