Talk Talk: Spirit of Eden V.S. Laughing Stock

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Isn't one of the songs on the solo album about moving back to London so his kids can go to the cinema more easily?

No, YOU'RE a disgusting savage (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 13:17 (4 years ago) Permalink

Really? Then again, he could be singing anything at some points.

The solo album is fantastic. Remember the first time I listened to it. Think I had some friends around and I'd set the volume a little too low resulting in my thinking that the whole album was pretty much silence.

AnotherDeadHero, Tuesday, 16 March 2010 13:20 (4 years ago) Permalink

Spirit of Eden is flawless. Thus, it wins.

Alex in NYC, Tuesday, 16 March 2010 13:34 (4 years ago) Permalink

Westward Bound

Opaline through her hair
Born on an April tide
Glowing in the wonder of our first child
There my promise is

A spur
A rein

The world upon my back
The pressure upon this earth

Drought's heir

Sown my money
Sold my shirt
Sown my money

Migrate
Job on the threshing line
Mute I walk
Idle ground
Westward bound

Very clearly, I think you'll agree, about moving back to London so his kids can go to the cinema more easily.

No, YOU'RE a disgusting savage (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 14:38 (4 years ago) Permalink

SoE is more... easily listened to. But LS is more harrowing. Not that SoE is an easy listen or unharrowing, but... LS feels more painfully profound.

No, YOU'RE a disgusting savage (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 14:39 (4 years ago) Permalink

Spirit of Eden

Geir otm re: early Talk Talk albums

akon/family (Curt1s Stephens), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 14:41 (4 years ago) Permalink

Huh -- turns out there's an official Facebook page for Talk Talk and Hollis:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Talk-Talk-Mark-Hollis/12307963901

And they're apparently taking questions for James Marsh, the guy who did all the album/single artwork.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 16 March 2010 14:46 (4 years ago) Permalink

I mean that while 'Spirit of Eden' is musically complex (i.e long song structures, an emphasis on sound texture and timbre etc) it's still something that I've found is quite accessible to people. I must've bought a dozen copies for friends, many of whom are mostly into easy to understand popular stuff, and everyone has enjoyed it.

A lot of popular music is complex

The Oort Locker (Tom D.), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 14:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

Or a lot of accessible music is complex, however you wanna phrase it

The Oort Locker (Tom D.), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 14:51 (4 years ago) Permalink

laughing stock because new grass is meandering perfection.

zingzing, Tuesday, 16 March 2010 14:58 (4 years ago) Permalink

I recently listened to the first 3 TT albums on repeat for an evening and it was LOVELY

ilxor lookin' boy (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 14:59 (4 years ago) Permalink

i always get these two mixed up but one of them has a song with a really prominent cowbell or something that mars it, so the other one.

DJ Get Up Kids (jim in glasgow), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 15:01 (4 years ago) Permalink

if you are talking about 'after the flood' then i don't even

ilxor lookin' boy (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 15:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

i am not talking about after the flood.

DJ Get Up Kids (jim in glasgow), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 15:03 (4 years ago) Permalink

because i just put that on and it's one of my favourite tracks off either album.

DJ Get Up Kids (jim in glasgow), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 15:04 (4 years ago) Permalink

oh it might be 'i believe in you'

yeah 'after the flood' is a tremendous achievement, and maybe even the best song called 'after the flood' (VdGG's one is fucking spectacular too)

ilxor lookin' boy (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 15:06 (4 years ago) Permalink

i always get these two mixed up but one of them has a song with a really prominent cowbell or something that mars it, so the other one.

this is totally "Desire"

akon/family (Curt1s Stephens), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 15:21 (4 years ago) Permalink

which rules

akon/family (Curt1s Stephens), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 15:21 (4 years ago) Permalink

Both of these are the best record ever made. One of them I can actually play when other people are around (and often), the other I can only hear alone and every few years, but I think about its 'forms' and 'feel' every single day.

Chatbot LeFonque (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 15:26 (4 years ago) Permalink

I didn't want to say "Desire" because that's possibly one of my 10 favourite songs ever written, and definitely my top TT track.

ilxor lookin' boy (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 15:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

I listen to these a lot less than people would probabaly imagine. And I still get accused of talking about them too much even though I don't. I listen to John Cope a LOT, though.

I think the Rainbow triptych at the start of SoE wears me out so much so that I lose attention after I Believe In You.

No, YOU'RE a disgusting savage (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 15:28 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeah it was desire!

sorry guys. I can't get past the cowbell.

DJ Get Up Kids (jim in glasgow), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 15:28 (4 years ago) Permalink

LS i think. hard decision.

shite new answers (cutty), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 15:29 (4 years ago) Permalink

the cowbell is awesome!

shite new answers (cutty), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 15:29 (4 years ago) Permalink

Nick, that means you lose attention for one track, and that track is BEAUTY ITSELF set to tape with the greatest fadeout in the history of fadeouts

ilxor lookin' boy (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 15:32 (4 years ago) Permalink

also the verse of Desire has my favourite chord-sequence

ilxor lookin' boy (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 15:33 (4 years ago) Permalink

My first hundred listens of Spirit were on cassette so I didn't have that fatigue problem. Basically treated it as two EPs.

Chatbot LeFonque (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 15:42 (4 years ago) Permalink

Likewise I'm so worn out by the start of New Grass that I float through that track (my favourite) and have pretty much no idea what happens afterwards. Luckily Runei is conducive to this.

No, YOU'RE a disgusting savage (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 15:46 (4 years ago) Permalink

Have any of you dudes heard Laughing Stock the song, by Love?

No, YOU'RE a disgusting savage (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 15:46 (4 years ago) Permalink

Laughing Stock the song, by Grandaddy, is good

Nick ffs Runeii is fucking astonishing and as I keep saying its air of finality is absolute - it's one of the most certain pieces of music I've heard

ilxor lookin' boy (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 15:49 (4 years ago) Permalink

But it's so uncertain! So hesitant, and tempting.

No, YOU'RE a disgusting savage (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 15:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

it repeats the very, very simple and beautiful structure it has, and redoubles the final piano motif - doesn't get more comprehensive than that - zen-like iirc

ilxor lookin' boy (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 15:51 (4 years ago) Permalink

there is literally nothing left to say - not many bands have even approached this point let alone reached it

ilxor lookin' boy (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 15:53 (4 years ago) Permalink

Voted Laughing Stock. It's the one I heard first.

^

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 15:57 (4 years ago) Permalink

I’ll pretty much buy any album going if someone tells me it sounds like ‘Laughing Stock’.

― AnotherDeadHero, Tuesday, 16 March 2010 12:30 (3 hours ago) Bookmark

Can you give some examples of these?

bham, Tuesday, 16 March 2010 16:18 (4 years ago) Permalink

Spirit of Eden?

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 16:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

bark psychosis amirite

also hood - rustic houses, forlorn valleys and the occasional catherine wheel song

neither are that close, though. nobody's close.

ilxor lookin' boy (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 16:20 (4 years ago) Permalink

Autistic Daughters - Jealousy and Diamond

Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Farting in Space (NickB), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 16:41 (4 years ago) Permalink

Voted for Spirit of Eden, but Runeii is one of the most perfect things ever.

Marco Damiani, Tuesday, 16 March 2010 16:43 (4 years ago) Permalink

My SoE/LS songs poll from a couple years back: The Spirit of Eden/Laughing Stock Individual Songs Poll

Also, a previous SoE vs. LS poll: Talk Talk: 'Spirit of Eden' vs. 'Laughing Stock'

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 16:52 (4 years ago) Permalink

I voted for Laughing Stock but they are both in my top 30 albums of all time.

For me Talk Talk are one of the few artists I can think of that got better with each album.

Kitchen Person, Tuesday, 16 March 2010 18:26 (4 years ago) Permalink

not enough love for "the colour of spring"

shite new answers (cutty), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 21:13 (4 years ago) Permalink

i prefer Laughing Stock but just barely.

akm, Tuesday, 16 March 2010 21:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

not enough love for "the colour of spring"

This is my personal fav. Talk Talk album.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 21:33 (4 years ago) Permalink

Splits the difference between '80s new-wave/synth pop and eventually stripping the medium to its essential elements. ;-)

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 21:34 (4 years ago) Permalink

oh, you mean post rock?

shite new answers (cutty), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 21:48 (4 years ago) Permalink

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(...yes?)

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 22:01 (4 years ago) Permalink

you're wrong anyway. "the colour of spring" is a lost balearic classic. ;)

shite new answers (cutty), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 22:03 (4 years ago) Permalink

I got both of these at the same time & they sort of bleed into one monumental mega-album for me, so this is pretty much a coin toss.

These will always be their canonical albums, but it is worth mentioning that, as "transitional" albums go, The Colour of Spring is one of the best.

Man or Austro-Hungarian? (Pillbox), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 22:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

lol xp

Man or Austro-Hungarian? (Pillbox), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 22:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

i forgot to vote. i would have voted for laughing stock.

scott seward, Friday, 19 March 2010 17:31 (4 years ago) Permalink

but, you know, i love them both. but if i go by what i've played the most it would be laughing stock. probably played it at least 150 times. same with colour of spring. spirit of eden probably been played a hundred times.

scott seward, Friday, 19 March 2010 17:33 (4 years ago) Permalink

Bernadette is awesome. Why Is It So Hard? is the secret treasure though.

No, YOU'RE a disgusting savage (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 19 March 2010 18:32 (4 years ago) Permalink

can anyone say anything about the differences between the original SoE and the 1997 remaster? I see the remaster now and again for about 5 euros and keep wondering whether to get it.

and, does anyone have the Missing Pieces comp? Not essential, but one track is an interesting collage of LS material. Also contains a solo Mark Hollis piano piece.

Duke, Friday, 19 March 2010 21:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

what are the "Missing Pieces comp" and the "asides besides comp"?

I am become death, Saturday, 20 March 2010 07:56 (4 years ago) Permalink

Asides Besides is a 2CD compilation released in 1998ish (alongside the remastered albums) which compiles the band's b-sides and alternative versions of a-sides; i.e. 12" mixes, etc. Well worth getting.

Missing Pieces is a 1CD compilation from circa 1992 that has alternate/demo versions of some LS songs. I d/l'd it many moons ago and wasn't impressed enough to buy a physical copy.

Asides Besides has John Cope on it, though, which you NEED to hear. Also many other fine tunes.

No, YOU'RE a disgusting savage (Scik Mouthy), Saturday, 20 March 2010 08:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

'Missing Pieces' is worth picking up if your obsessed by 'Laughing Stock' I suppose. The outtakes are ever so slightly different from the album. 'Stump' is an interesting enough jam piece. It's probably worth it just for the extended Mark Hollis piano track at the end which is otherwise impossible to find.

I'll happily second the above posts heavy recommendation of 'Asides Bsides'. 'John Cope' is essential later Talk Talk.

Not sure about that remaster. I've never heard the original cd issue but I do have a vinyl copy but that's a different experience altogether. I'd be interested to hear further thoughts on the remaster though. Like whether it's actually as remaster or just a reissue. I did shell out a few years back on a SACD copy of 'Spirit of Eden' but I've never had the chance to hear it on a SACD player yet. One day . . .

AnotherDeadHero, Saturday, 20 March 2010 10:33 (4 years ago) Permalink

i forgot to vote as well. in the past i used to prefer spirit of eden as it seemed to be more like free flowing chamber jazz which i like as a concept. it took me more time to love laughing stock. i think laughing stock's highs are higher (esp. new grass which probably is my favourite all-time song of anyone) whereas spirit seems to flow better. so in the end i think a real tie would have been adequate.

alex in mainhattan, Saturday, 20 March 2010 11:48 (4 years ago) Permalink

Get the Asides Besides comp.

Echoing this.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Saturday, 20 March 2010 17:16 (4 years ago) Permalink

xpost: I'm quite sure the 1997 CD is a remaster of SoE (it is listed as such on Amazon: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Spirit-Eden-Remastered-Talk/dp/B000005RS5/ref=pd_bxgy_m_h__img_b)

I too have both albums on vinyl as well as CD, but my SoE vinyl is a rather crackly, beaten 2nd hand copy.

I'lll definitely be picking up Asides... after the love shown for it here.

Duke, Saturday, 20 March 2010 18:13 (4 years ago) Permalink

"It's Getting Late in the Evening" is just absolutely gorgeous. That, "John Cope," and "For What It's Worth" are why you can't live without Asides Besides.

And I wish somebody would publish a giant coffee table book with all the illustrations from Talk Talk's albums and singles.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Saturday, 20 March 2010 21:49 (4 years ago) Permalink

Didn't vote, either. I would probably have voted LS, but you know, it's like trying to quantify the difference between heaven and paradise, really.

Lostandfound, Sunday, 21 March 2010 05:25 (4 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

Spirit of Eden Vinyl Reissue from EMI coming early April with 24bit WAV files on Bonus DVD.

Gentlemen.....stop your ebaying......

my opinionation (Hamildan), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 23:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

I picked up a sealed copy of that a couple months ago for dirt cheap.

van smack, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 00:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

I bought Spirit of Eden reissued on vinyl in December? They tacked John Cope on the end of side 2.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 01:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

ooh, they're doing colour of spring, too!

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 01:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

John Cope is a great track but I have problems with including it on the vinyl version of SoE. Not only does it mess with the song cycle (and there's no choice to drop it with a custom playlist), but conceivably the grooves would be made tighter to accommodate the extra track.

I assume that the digital files that accompany this new version will be 24bit/96khz? Wondering how these will compare with the SACD version from 2006.

doug watson, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 01:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

the john cope version is a BOOTLEG dawgs

cutty, Thursday, 16 February 2012 22:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

The way to do it is a bonus 7" with John Cope b/w It's Getting Late In The Evening

Axolotl with an Atlatl (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 16 February 2012 23:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

"Spirit of Eden Vinyl Reissue from EMI coming early April with 24bit WAV files on Bonus DVD"

well fuck it might be time to stick my sacds on ebay then

akm, Thursday, 16 February 2012 23:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

I would have probably voted for 'Spirit Of Eden' in this, but for me this is definitely a bit of a tough one to call.

Turrican, Friday, 17 February 2012 23:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

I was listening to these albums again for the first time in a while recently. I still rate them both about equally, but would give LS the slight edge because of "New Grass". The last ninety seconds of that song is the most profoundly moving passage of music I've ever heard, although even saying that is to banalise it, without wishing to be too lofty. :)

Freedom, Saturday, 18 February 2012 17:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

I may have mentioned it somewhere upthread, but I'd heard that song so many times before I ever really even noticed the bass line. It was one of the closest things I've ever had to a true musical epiphany. Now I turn it way up and get lost in the low end.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 18 February 2012 20:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

Something I wrote about that song in my blog a couple of years ago:

Talk Talk - New Grass
This is the song I'd play to someone just about to kill himself. No. Maybe that should say that's the song I would play to myself if I was about to leave this world on my own. The beauty of this song transcends the appeal death could have for someone who has lost all hope. It is the warmest, most caressing, most soothing song on Laughing Stock. It's a holy song, the lyrics use Christian terminology: sacrament, Christ, heaven, vow. Mark Hollis is English, if he had been from India he would sing about Vishnu or Krishna, the words and names don't matter. It's all about the music. What reaches our brain via the ears directly without the interference of the ratio. Call it truth, love or anything. I think I would call it trust.

alex in mainhattan, Sunday, 19 February 2012 08:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

both equally overrated

Poliopolice, Sunday, 19 February 2012 08:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

I first listened to Spirit of Eden at a time of crisis in my life. It was the year I graduated college and my first love/first relationship ended. I was at rock bottom. Spirit of Eden was the most deeply moving and spiritually cathartic album I had ever heard.

Around the same time, I had also listened to similar albums such as Hex (Bark Psychosis) which became one of my favorite albums and is, for me, perfect late-night listening and the quintessential winter album. At this time, I listened to Laughing Stock, as well, and, although its instrumental complexities were entrancing, it simply did not speak to my emotions the way Spirit of Eden did.

Spirit of Eden is still the album I go to when I'm at my lowest and searching for my path.

It's one of my Desert Island albums, alongside
A Storm in Heaven (The Verve)
No Other (Gene Clark)
Lazer Guided Melodies (Spiritualized)

Graveyard Poet, Monday, 25 February 2013 09:35 (1 year ago) Permalink


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