This is a thread about CASABLANCA because it is utterly awesome and the best black and white film ever.

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Jeepers - pointless to release it after the war. Fucking hell man, do you know how long and slow a process making a film and then post and then the release actually fucking is? And this was in the day before mass openings state to state.

Ceezah, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:14 (nineteen years ago) link

It opened in '42 when we still gearing up for the major war effort. It wasn't pointless at all.

Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Hmmm, Umberto Eco prefers Stagecoach does he?

To each his own then...

Ceezah, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Just rewatched it the other day. My main impressions were:

- Fabulous photography!!! Moody, striking, atmospheric, dramatic - the whole ball of wax.

- The plot is total cornball, but the pacing and dialogue are so crisp that you never have time to dwell on the silliness of it all. Each vignette is a perfect little bon-bon of entertainment. No waste. No chewing necessary.

- Claude Rains was having a ball and so were the scriptwriters for him. Every line he spoke was a gem. Probably a commentary on Hollywood studios in there.

- Not a good scenery-chewing Nazi to be found anywhere, just the ho-hum cardboard kind.

- It is very rainy and foggy in Morrocco. Who knew?

Aimless (Aimless), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Off the top of my head, here are ten black & white films I like much better than "Casablanca":

"Ninochka"
"Andrei Rubylev"
"Broken Blossoms"
"Pandora's Box"
"Orphans of the Storm"
that film w/Dirk Bogarde where he's a homosexual doctor who gets blackmailed (heh, sorry, bad memory)
"Sabrina"
"Valley of Song"
"Kind Hearts and Coronets"
"Passport to Piml1co"
"Night of the Demon"

That's eleven, but never mind, and I'm not even getting into Ford or Kurosawa films, either.

So obviously, I don't think it's the best black & white film ever, though I do like it quite a lot.

I don't really give a shit about what "name" critics think, and am curious as to why you keep bolstering your arguments by bringing these people's opinions in, c*l*m.

Regarding films as "quotable" is a bit james brown-edited magazine-ist for me, but I suppose if I were no think of the most quotable film, it would be "Scarface"

Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:31 (nineteen years ago) link

This will surely be the best color film ever:

http://www.thehollywoodnews.com/images3/edisonposter.jpg

Pears can just fuck right off. (kenan), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:34 (nineteen years ago) link

'Victim', Pashmina? Why does anyone like 'Sabrina'? Better Movie than all above, save 'Pandora's Box' = 'Trouble in Paradise'. All the old Ealing films are great.

Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes, "Victim", that's the one, and he was a Lawyer, not a doctor. "Sabrina" makes me happy! "Trouble in Paradise" is really good, yes. NB I am not saying of my off-the-top-of-my-head list THERE ARE THE BEST PAULINE KAEL SEZ SO SO IT MUST = TRUTH!! They're just a bunch of random b&w films I like better than "Casablanca".

Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Point taken.

That's eleven, but never mind
Why does anyone like 'Sabrina'?
I was gonna say, there's an obvious one to remove if you want an even ten.

Trouble in Paradise
Search! - Any movie involving Edward Everett Horton and gondolas.

Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:45 (nineteen years ago) link

9/40 - US passes draft bill
4/41 - US begins undeclared naval war in Atlantic
6/41 - US troops in Iceland
8/41 - US signs Atlantic Charter
12/41-2/42 - Pearl Harbor; US declares war on Germany; Roosevelt announces wartime material production to be increased seven-fold and sends US troops to UK, agreeing to Churchill's Europe-first strategy
4/42 - Patton begins training
5/42 - British begin peripheral campaign in Africa
5/25/42-8/3/42 - Casablanca filmed
6/42 - FDR meets Churchill and urges cross-channel invasion; agrees to give higher priority to peripheral strategy
6/42 - Auschwitz opens
7/42 - mass deportations to camps begin
11/1/42 - US joins peripheral campaign, invading North Africa
11/26/42 - NYC premiere of Casablanca
12/42 - British Foreign Secretary advises Commons of mass executions of Jews
1/14-24/43 - Roosevelt meets Churchill, producing agreement for immediate invasion of Sicily and Italy and 1944 invasion of France; announces fight for unconditional surrender of Germany and Italy
1/23/43 - LA premiere of Casablanca

(xpost - please tell me that movie is real)

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Rerecommend on this thread:
Search!- Leslie Epstein's Pandaemonium.

Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 21:01 (nineteen years ago) link

trouble in paradise is indeed the best film ever, b&w or not. are we having a 1930s movie poll soon?

:| (....), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 21:10 (nineteen years ago) link

you know, Eco's characterization of Casablanca could apply just as well to Oasis' music (and, god help us, lyrics)

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 23:33 (nineteen years ago) link

My hairs are standing up on the back of my neck now, gabbneb. (What's the emoticon for that?)

Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 23:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Twubble in Pawadise is great but 'Sunrise' is the best.

Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 23:52 (nineteen years ago) link

OK. In that case, have you read George O'Brien's son's memoir?

Ken L (Ken L), Thursday, 6 January 2005 00:21 (nineteen years ago) link

are we having a 1930s movie poll soon?

I sincerely hope that's next. I nominate the five of the seven Sternberg-Dietrich collabs I've seen.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 6 January 2005 11:19 (nineteen years ago) link

George O'Brien's son's memoir?

No. What's it called?

Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 6 January 2005 19:42 (nineteen years ago) link

A Way Of Life, Like Any Other

Ken L (Ken L), Thursday, 6 January 2005 19:43 (nineteen years ago) link

10 B&W movies that are way better than Casablanca (and only allowing one per director):

Vampyr
The Philadelphia Story
M
The Big Sleep
L'Age d'Or
The Man Who Knew Too Much
A Canterbury Tale
Throne of Blood
Peter Ibbetson
Alphaville

I like the implication in the title that Black & White films are somehow inferior to their Colour cousins. That's LadCrit for you.

noodle vague (noodle vague), Thursday, 6 January 2005 22:02 (nineteen years ago) link

I like the idea that there is one best B&W film, as if there are only a handful to chose from

Ken L (Ken L), Thursday, 6 January 2005 22:05 (nineteen years ago) link

the philadelphia story = why "adaptation" sucks. maybe charlie kaufman too but eternaal sunshine was faaaaaaaaaaantastic.

John (jdahlem), Thursday, 6 January 2005 22:06 (nineteen years ago) link

surely there is a best green film? i mean after matrix (or even se7en?) a lot of films looked more green-ish than before. i think im going with machinist here.

:| (....), Thursday, 6 January 2005 22:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Best Blue film = Derek Jarman's Blue

noodle vague (noodle vague), Thursday, 6 January 2005 22:11 (nineteen years ago) link

*pauses for obligatory Blue Movie joke*

noodle vague (noodle vague), Thursday, 6 January 2005 22:14 (nineteen years ago) link

my old ethiopian roommate used to watch the scene where the german and the french anthems are played every single day, and he would cry everytime. that might be my favorite scene in all of film largely for that reason.

tracer, wanna read an AMAZING book on the making of a movie? devil's candy by julie salomom on the making of bonfire of the vanities. just finished it last night. soooooo good.

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Thursday, 6 January 2005 22:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Especially when Yvonne joins in. *sob*

xpost

Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 6 January 2005 22:21 (nineteen years ago) link

casablanca is fucking great!! i love it!! it's probably one of the most watchable and entertaining movies i've ever seen. and that is no small shakes! i mean yeah it is perhaps not as psychologically complex as notorious or as blah blah as this or that, maybe it is not "Great" in the textbook way but it is a great movie.

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 7 January 2005 05:15 (nineteen years ago) link

i wanna read that bonfire of the vanities book.

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 7 January 2005 05:15 (nineteen years ago) link

you should read "The Bonfire of the Vanities"

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 7 January 2005 05:16 (nineteen years ago) link

that's what i meant

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 7 January 2005 05:17 (nineteen years ago) link

not

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 7 January 2005 05:17 (nineteen years ago) link

"This is a thread about LES DEMOISELLES D'AVIGNON because it is utterly awesome and the best oil painting ever."

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 7 January 2005 05:49 (nineteen years ago) link

haha "ladcrit"--that's great.

my old college roommate once told me "yeah, i saw 'citizen kane' and i liked it. it seemed really cool, not like those other black and white movies at all." i still don't know whether to be touched or appalled.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 7 January 2005 05:50 (nineteen years ago) link

"Maybe the problems of two people don't amount to a hill of beans. But this is *our* hill. And these are *our* beans." - Lt. Frank Drebin

kickitcricket (kickitcricket), Friday, 7 January 2005 06:39 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost
shall we have a vote?

Masked Gazza, Friday, 7 January 2005 07:42 (nineteen years ago) link

ten more b&w films that are superior (and i love casablanca)

through a glass darkly
tokyo story
ordet
battleship potemkin
vivre sa vie
shadows
cleo from 5 to 7
ikiru
city lights
earth

casablanca has a great screenplay, but it is just your typical hollywood film of the time. it is not ground-breaking, it is not amazing.

t0dd swiss, Friday, 7 January 2005 08:13 (nineteen years ago) link

"but it is just your typical hollywood film of the time"

how many hollywood films of the time have ingrid bergman and humphrey bogart?!?!?!?!?!

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 7 January 2005 08:48 (nineteen years ago) link

slocki the devil's candy is a much better book than bonfire of the vanities. i haven't seen the movie in ages; i'm watching it tomorrow. i'm excited.

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Friday, 7 January 2005 15:35 (nineteen years ago) link

I am very keen on 'Carrotblanca' on disc 2.

Puddin'Head Miller (PJ Miller), Friday, 7 January 2005 15:39 (nineteen years ago) link

For green films, early 2-strip Technicolor is pretty much orange and green.

The Marseillaise scene always gets me too.

Somebody wrote a volume of short stories 10-15 years ago about the fates of Great Movie Characters after the films ended. Never read it, but reviews said his "Casablanca" sequel had Rick and Renault becoming lovers, and Ilsa dying in the plane crash with Dag Hammarskjold...

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 7 January 2005 15:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Quai des Brumes
Les Visiteurs du Soir
Les Enfants du Paradis

Michael White (Hereward), Friday, 7 January 2005 15:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Also better than Casablanca is the now hard-to-see Argentinean film Casa Rosada, a dark tango melodrama starring Eva Peron's nemesis Libertad Lamarque, directed by the great Leopoldo Flores Nilsson.

Ken L (Ken L), Friday, 7 January 2005 16:02 (nineteen years ago) link

"Play it again, Sam"

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 7 January 2005 16:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Dr. Morbius, the book is David Thomson's Suspects.

tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Friday, 7 January 2005 16:08 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost:
"Play it,Steve!"

Ken L (Ken L), Friday, 7 January 2005 16:10 (nineteen years ago) link

guys it's obv not the best b&w film, we don't have to keep proving it

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 7 January 2005 16:38 (nineteen years ago) link

s1ocki otm, it's not even like the 27th best b&w film (that's Harvey)

Allyzay Needs Legs More (allyzay), Friday, 7 January 2005 19:23 (nineteen years ago) link

s1ocki, I made that shiznit up about the movie from Argentina, just to amuse myself.

Ken L (Ken L), Friday, 7 January 2005 19:24 (nineteen years ago) link

How sub-borgesian of you, Ken.

Michael White (Hereward), Friday, 7 January 2005 19:29 (nineteen years ago) link


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