HBO adaptation of Game of Thrones - will this be just for nerds? (NO SPOILERS PLEASE)

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Just been picked up for a first season.

I don't know anything about this but the fantasy genre is expensive and so 2k3 really isn't it?

ANTI-SPOILER REQUEST: Oh, and should we throw down some ground rules if people are going to be discussing this week-by-week? i.e. if you've read the books don't discuss anything further than where we are, but discussion of any differences in the TV show and the books from what we've seen is fine. ― Gukbe, Saturday, April 16, 2011 4:51 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 20:13 (5 years ago) Permalink

It will for this nerd!

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 20:15 (5 years ago) Permalink

fwiw every show HBO has is just for nerds but everyone else watches them anyway

Bunsen burner, bubbles, IT'S ALIVE! whaaaaa-? (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 20:16 (5 years ago) Permalink

this might be dope

carne asada, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 20:18 (5 years ago) Permalink

are the books good?

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 20:20 (5 years ago) Permalink

YES

Bunsen burner, bubbles, IT'S ALIVE! whaaaaa-? (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 20:21 (5 years ago) Permalink

also: Sean Bean as Eddard Stark

FUCK YES

Bunsen burner, bubbles, IT'S ALIVE! whaaaaa-? (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 20:22 (5 years ago) Permalink

'good if you're a fan of the fantasy genre and are cool with the Dragonlance series' or 'good' in the general sense.

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 20:23 (5 years ago) Permalink

GOOD GOOD

The other side of genetic power today (Laurel), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 20:23 (5 years ago) Permalink

HAVE YOU LEARNED NOTHING FROM ILX

The other side of genetic power today (Laurel), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 20:24 (5 years ago) Permalink

did a search for 'Game of Thrones' to see if this show was already mentioned, and saw nothing about it or the books so...no?

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 20:24 (5 years ago) Permalink

REALLY GOOD GOOD

this nerd is v v v v excited

you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 20:24 (5 years ago) Permalink

whoops. just searched 'game of thrones'. i actually wikipediaed this ages ago when the pilot was first announced. it's coming back to me.

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 20:27 (5 years ago) Permalink

This will be awesome. I gave up on the books after the first two, but would still like to see it on teevee.

crazy ass between (askance johnson), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 20:30 (5 years ago) Permalink

Third book is probably the best.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 20:38 (5 years ago) Permalink

I'd agree with that

Bunsen burner, bubbles, IT'S ALIVE! whaaaaa-? (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 20:40 (5 years ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

ok so what's going to happen when this show becomes wildly successful and 4 years from now they run out of god damn source material

did you mean: fart blasters? (nickalicious), Saturday, 27 March 2010 16:23 (5 years ago) Permalink

tbh if they've any sense they'll get to the end of book four about two and a half seasons in

thomp, Saturday, 27 March 2010 16:25 (5 years ago) Permalink

also: 'they will come up with their own ending, more quickly and as validly as george r r martin manages to come up with his'

thomp, Saturday, 27 March 2010 16:25 (5 years ago) Permalink

amazing that its been 4 or 5 years since i was really into these books and the next one's still not out...dude isn't gonna finish the series is he :(

it's definitely good tv series material though if they're willing to run it out long enough and don't try to cram each book into a single season (the 3rd book alone is like as long as the entire lord of the rings iirc)

ciderpress, Saturday, 27 March 2010 16:39 (5 years ago) Permalink

you think they ought to make it longer? u mad

thomp, Saturday, 27 March 2010 16:42 (5 years ago) Permalink

not necessarily make it longer, just not do 1 book = 1 season when the books are of varying length and plot complexity (4th book could be cut down by a ton for example to make room for more stuff from the 3rd book)

ciderpress, Saturday, 27 March 2010 16:53 (5 years ago) Permalink

They could just do more episodes for the season w/ the 3rd book. I don't see how they could split it up though.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Saturday, 27 March 2010 17:37 (5 years ago) Permalink

Gobbled up all the books on the recommendation of ILXors. I'm looking forward to the HBO show, but mostly I just want the new book! And then I guess there are two MORE of these books that he has to write, in-between blogging about the Jets and going to fantasy conventions? Sigh...

schwantz, Saturday, 27 March 2010 21:25 (5 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

expected to air around this time next year, alongside the second season of Treme.

Gee, Officer (Gukbe), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 23:13 (5 years ago) Permalink

Can't wait for the crossover episode.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 23:43 (5 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

Gee, Officer (Gukbe), Saturday, 19 June 2010 11:48 (4 years ago) Permalink

1 book = 1 season makes total sense

they can make that work

delanie griffith (s1ocki), Saturday, 19 June 2010 11:49 (4 years ago) Permalink

also hbo shows arent always 1 season = 1 year

sopranos took long breaks

delanie griffith (s1ocki), Saturday, 19 June 2010 11:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

Never read the books, but pretty keen on watching this.

rhythm fixated member (chap), Saturday, 19 June 2010 13:11 (4 years ago) Permalink

what is the point of this if the dude won't even finish the books???? Goddamn stop re-writing them already!!!

ears are wounds, Sunday, 20 June 2010 10:29 (4 years ago) Permalink

also hbo shows arent always 1 season = 1 year

sopranos took long breaks

― delanie griffith (s1ocki), Saturday, June 19, 2010 7:50 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

name one HBO show besides Sopranos that didn't/doesn't do a new season every year

fantast (ico) (some dude), Sunday, 20 June 2010 14:04 (4 years ago) Permalink

actually, I'll name another, Curb Your Enthusiasm, but i think that's it

fantast (ico) (some dude), Sunday, 20 June 2010 14:06 (4 years ago) Permalink

The Wire had a significant gap between seasons 3 and 4, but that was partly because they weren't sure if they were going to renew it.

Gee, Officer (Gukbe), Sunday, 20 June 2010 14:25 (4 years ago) Permalink

at this point, I am wondering if it might not be better if some talented cable TV writers finished this thing for him. I am losing faith that he has any idea where he is going with these books.

richie aprile (rockapads), Sunday, 20 June 2010 17:00 (4 years ago) Permalink

We should start bitching about the BSG/Lost style finalefail.

Gee, Officer (Gukbe), Sunday, 20 June 2010 17:05 (4 years ago) Permalink

Turns out Tyrion is Jesus.

schwantz, Sunday, 20 June 2010 19:57 (4 years ago) Permalink

big love took a break right?

ian, Sunday, 20 June 2010 20:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

If it hasn't it needs to.

Gee, Officer (Gukbe), Sunday, 20 June 2010 20:09 (4 years ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

Carcetti is Littlefinger

That character means nothing to me obv.

orakle-krake (Gukbe), Monday, 12 July 2010 23:12 (4 years ago) Permalink

FUCK YEAH THAT IS BRILLIANT!!!!!

hot dub grime machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 12 July 2010 23:18 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeah, that is good casting

richie aprile (rockapads), Monday, 12 July 2010 23:22 (4 years ago) Permalink

ditto

Really looking forward to this!

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 02:37 (4 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

more teasing

a cankle of rads (Gukbe), Monday, 13 September 2010 06:25 (4 years ago) Permalink

I hope this starts a trend of classy TV fantasy adaptations. Someone should do Perdido Street Station (though would be fucking expensive). Do these books have monsters and magic and shit, or is it just guys fighting with swords?

rhythm fixated member (chap), Monday, 13 September 2010 15:44 (4 years ago) Permalink

They have dragons and undead.

EZ Snappin, Monday, 13 September 2010 16:06 (4 years ago) Permalink

only in the first and last episodes of this season though, that saves you some money right there

thomp, Monday, 13 September 2010 16:13 (4 years ago) Permalink

perdido street station feels basically like a miniseries already! which is unfortunate in that the other bas-lag stuff wouldn't really work as further series of.

thomp, Monday, 13 September 2010 16:13 (4 years ago) Permalink

Felt pretty rote to me

, Friday, 17 April 2015 11:08 (1 week ago) Permalink

aka "tyrion"

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 17 April 2015 21:06 (1 week ago) Permalink

i tried to work from home today but instead i ended up watching the other three leaked episodes. okay now when's the next batch going to be leaked

cis-het shitlord (Merdeyeux), Friday, 17 April 2015 21:32 (1 week ago) Permalink

not soon enough. i need to see the outcome of that last scene!

AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 17 April 2015 21:36 (1 week ago) Permalink

all the spoilers:

Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Friday, 17 April 2015 21:53 (1 week ago) Permalink

Just caught episode 1. It's mostly a "hey, remember where we were a year ago?" recap episode.

Cersei and Jaime do nothing. Some order called the Sparrows is introduced without details.
The Tyrells do nothing.
Varys reveals that he wants Daenerys as queen. Tyrion does nothing.
Daenerys needs to deal with the former ruling class. This one's fine.
Littlefinger and Sansa do nothing.
Brienne and Payne do nothing.
Sam and Gilly do nothing.
Stannis kills Mance. Jon Snow accomplishes nothing.
Reek and Arya MIA. (Bran and Hodor MIA for the whole season, supposedly.)

poxy fülvous (abanana), Sunday, 19 April 2015 14:57 (1 week ago) Permalink

Tyrion implies he's open to traveling to meet Daenerys. That's something.

Evan, Sunday, 19 April 2015 16:06 (1 week ago) Permalink

Loras does, heh heh, something.

A-Hanisi Coates (Leee), Sunday, 19 April 2015 18:53 (1 week ago) Permalink

episode 1 was a snooze.

but then again, who really cares? I don’t. (dog latin), Monday, 20 April 2015 10:09 (6 days ago) Permalink

on reflection i kinda think it's been a poor start. as abanana says - they've managed to force everyone back into doing nothing. also ffs when is queen of dragons going to actually do something besides kill a peasant, pardon a peasant, listen to sage advice about how to govern, learn her ideals may not cut it in this brutal world of men, AGAIN.

the swagger of oasis (LocalGarda), Monday, 20 April 2015 10:09 (6 days ago) Permalink

they may have left Bran's boring storyline by the wayside, but they somehow managed to turn everyone into Bran-crew in this episode. No doubt things'll pick up soon.

but then again, who really cares? I don’t. (dog latin), Monday, 20 April 2015 10:18 (6 days ago) Permalink

They do occasionally have these 'placing figures on the board' episodes, but I think by now, especially with an opening ep, people are impatient for advancement. I've just watched episode two (spoilers->), and, though it's more interesting than the first, the series does still feel like it's marching in place a little, or at least moving forward one step at a time. They seem more interested in hanging out with the characters than charging headlong with the story, though having so many different and totally separate plot lines, it's bound to slow things down. Everyone seems to have been split up into pairs, as well (Jaimie and Bran; Brienne and Podrick; Varys and Tyrion etc), just for added odd-couple banter.

I did like the cut between Tryion saying something like "She wants my head. How many dwarves will she have to kill?" - straight to a dwarf's decapitated head being thrown down onto a table.

And it does look as if it's all about to kick off on the Daenerys storyline at last, after she had that man executed without a trial.

Jon Snuurr's election - no surprises there.

painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Monday, 20 April 2015 13:58 (6 days ago) Permalink

someone on Grantland was saying that in the books the current Daenerys storyline was GRRM's explicit response to the Iraq Occupation, but that the tv show is playing the politics down a bit.

Any book readers with a take?

Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 20 April 2015 14:11 (6 days ago) Permalink

tbf the "explicit response" presented by the books is "conquering is easy governing is hard" and that seems to be coming across just fine.

resulting post (rogermexico.), Monday, 20 April 2015 15:51 (6 days ago) Permalink

At this point they've painted Jaqen H'ghar as this unstoppable mysterious superhero which is cool and great but it makes his original appearance as a prisoner in a cart among murderous oafs not make much sense in that context. I feel like this was probably brought up already, but is there anything beyond fan-theory that addresses that discrepancy?

Evan, Monday, 20 April 2015 16:16 (6 days ago) Permalink

Er... his superpowers don't extent to bending metal bars?

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 20 April 2015 16:24 (6 days ago) Permalink

it's possible he was exactly where he wanted to be?

resulting post (rogermexico.), Monday, 20 April 2015 16:41 (6 days ago) Permalink

chap - I'm implying that such an untouchable assassin would be quite hard to catch and imprison in the first place.

rogermexico - yeah thats the kind of fan theory hindsight justification I mean, unless the book/story actually confirms it at some point?

Evan, Monday, 20 April 2015 16:58 (6 days ago) Permalink

But in general those "I had planned all of this since the beginning" are pretty lazy storytelling devices... "yes, all of these particular events that are in no way under my control all going according to plan"

Evan, Monday, 20 April 2015 17:03 (6 days ago) Permalink

in the books, the man who meets arya at the house of black and white isn't jaqen h'ghar, and it's heavily implied that "h'ghar" is elsewhere

max, Monday, 20 April 2015 17:35 (6 days ago) Permalink

I guess the root of my question is whether the show is overplaying his abilities vs. the books. The more amazing, feared, and mystical they portray him, the less his original situation makes any sense.

Not losing sleep here, was just curious.

Evan, Monday, 20 April 2015 18:56 (6 days ago) Permalink

i kind of assumed that the dude you think is jaqen is really just any faceless dude and maybe all the faceless dudes can use that face or whatever. it seemed odd to me that he didn't let her in at first but did only after she kills a pigeon. just seemed to unnecessarily drag the story which is more/less grrm's MO

head clowning instructor (art), Monday, 20 April 2015 19:30 (6 days ago) Permalink

Game of Thrones: Being an Epic Recounting of Pointless Detours

Οὖτις, Monday, 20 April 2015 19:37 (6 days ago) Permalink

xpost yeah i'm not saying that's my theory, and it may never be explained at all, but i am def not losing sleep over it. bookswise max otm and afaict the show is overplaying in the interest of keeping things "tight" characterwise. i like art's assumption and i'm kind of choosing that myself for now but we'll see where the show takes it.

resulting post (rogermexico.), Monday, 20 April 2015 19:38 (6 days ago) Permalink

I didn't exactly mean to imply Jaqen specifically, but how likely is it that any faceless man could be captured? People who can shape shift their face and kill multiple guards at once on a whim shouldn't need to rely on a little girl to hand them an axe ever if I were to guess.

Really not trying to hanker for a perfect answer too much just clarifying my point.

I'll just move on to seemingly obsess over the next nit picky discrepancy now.

Evan, Monday, 20 April 2015 19:43 (6 days ago) Permalink

I also thought Arya's scenes were pointlessly extended in this episode. She goes in a house! Didn't need to take that long.

So how about Sam and Gilly's no-sexposition scene. Compare with the last episode's Loras sexp-- no wait, just sex scene.

poxy fülvous (abanana), Monday, 20 April 2015 22:24 (6 days ago) Permalink

Brienne always knows how to brighten my mood with ultraviolence. Also, Arya's effortless pigeon decapitation was cool.

Loved all the location photography, horses running through the forest, boats in the Braavos canals, crowd scenes. A great change of pace from all the boring two-shots in the last episode.

Is that black and white building a real location in Croatia or CGI? There was something inherently menacing about it. I wondered at the time if Arya would have gotten a different initial result if she'd knocked on the other-colored door.

Thrilled that Bron is back. I missed that guy.

polyphonic, Monday, 20 April 2015 22:44 (6 days ago) Permalink

I was perfectly happy with last episode but found this one a little slow.

Keeping fingers crossed that the crazy wife of Stannis will get a tasty death scene.

Glad that Night's Watch coward got humiliated in front of everyone.

Couldn't Dany just have jailed that guy or gave him some other punishment?

Really surprised that Dornish guy wasn't interested in making a move. I thought this series was going to start with them coming down hard on the Lannisters. Their home looked lovely.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 20 April 2015 23:30 (6 days ago) Permalink

It rarely happens, but the House of Black & White was just about how I imagined it from the book. The streets of Braavos were significantly less populated with extras than my imagination, but otherwise I thought it was pretty cool.

SCHLITZ MIXED BAG (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 21 April 2015 03:21 (5 days ago) Permalink

It rarely happens, but the House of Black & White was just about how I imagined it from the book.

Yeah, loved how it didn't have windows.

A-Hanisi Coates (Leee), Tuesday, 21 April 2015 06:08 (5 days ago) Permalink

I'm enjoying the Varys and Tyrion road movie and am kind of stoked for Jaime and Bronn on tour as well but in general most of the enjoyment in these first couple of eps as come from watching characters bounce off one another. They kinda need to do something soon.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 21 April 2015 08:54 (5 days ago) Permalink

Really starting to steer away from the books now, isn't it? Or am I just forgetting what happened in the books?

Unsettled defender (ithappens), Tuesday, 21 April 2015 09:05 (5 days ago) Permalink

Yeah loads of quite significant changes, Jaime and Bronn going to Dorne is completely new for example. Even more to come in e3.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 21 April 2015 09:42 (5 days ago) Permalink

I'm guessing Bronn simply went away in the books but is too much of a tv show favourite to disappear?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 21 April 2015 14:56 (5 days ago) Permalink

Seems like they're consolidating a lot of the roles

, Tuesday, 21 April 2015 15:17 (5 days ago) Permalink

I think they've always done that but they're doing it even more now.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 21 April 2015 15:21 (5 days ago) Permalink

so i guess daenerys' arc is supposed to mirror the millenia-long evolution of political rule? from leaders of warlike clans to philosopher queens, joining tribes together into something resembling a coalition, the formation of an advisory counsel...uh, i don't know where i'm going with this, but my point is that by the end of the show i fully expect to see daenerys defeated in an open election supervised by UN observers

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 21 April 2015 15:43 (5 days ago) Permalink

or on trial for warcrimes

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 21 April 2015 15:44 (5 days ago) Permalink

Dragons of mass destruction.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 21 April 2015 16:34 (5 days ago) Permalink

indicted by the highgarden war crimes tribunal

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 21 April 2015 16:39 (5 days ago) Permalink

Maisie Williams was walking even more effeminately than she has in the past, hasn't she?

A-Hanisi Coates (Leee), Tuesday, 21 April 2015 16:56 (5 days ago) Permalink

I also thought Arya's scenes were pointlessly extended in this episode. She goes in a house! Didn't need to take that long.

I can't remember if the house was connected to the land, if the only access was by the boat, or if the boat was the quickest route they took. But the point of the extension is that a wait weeds out the insincere applicants. Fairly classic trope. My question was 'if she was denied initial entry, what about the alleyway scene convinced Jaqen to accept her into the fold? That she was facing down three bullies?

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Tuesday, 21 April 2015 20:57 (5 days ago) Permalink

he just wanted to eat some pigeon.

AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 21 April 2015 21:13 (5 days ago) Permalink

"You passed the test!"

"Really? That's great!"

"Yeah! I rejected you at the door so I could see how you'd handle that. You waiting for a long time. Like maybe a whole day. I was impressed with your persistence"

"Well, I mentioned I crossed the sea and had nowhere else to go. But then I got bored and pissed off so I threw the coin in the water and left."

"You proved that you are... slightly more patient than a few other people. You show great promise, child."

"I didn't do anything. I mean, you were the one that scared off the muggers."

"Check this out- recognize this coin?"

"You probably have a whole chest full of those things. Can I go eat this filthy pigeon carcass now?"

Evan, Tuesday, 21 April 2015 21:30 (5 days ago) Permalink

One jokey theory I've heard is that Arya wasn't allowed in initially because she knocked on the black door - if she had knocked on the white door, she would have been.

painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Tuesday, 21 April 2015 21:39 (5 days ago) Permalink

I was expecting Spy vs. Spy to answer.

Evan, Tuesday, 21 April 2015 22:13 (5 days ago) Permalink

It was like a video game scene. Unlock the door by chanting names, killing pigeon, throwing in water.

Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Wednesday, 22 April 2015 14:03 (4 days ago) Permalink

coin

Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Wednesday, 22 April 2015 14:04 (4 days ago) Permalink

The framing of Arya midway between black & white doors was my favorite shot of that episode. And agreed about the day (?) she waited being a "Why was THAT the difference?" stumper.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Wednesday, 22 April 2015 17:07 (4 days ago) Permalink


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