Ying Yang Twins - Whisper In Your Ear

I don't think it's all that misogynistic, it's just sexual!

My favorite lyrical mix thus far is listing the groceries.

Dontforgethebread, dontforgethebread...

Uh..."wait til you see my dick, hey bitch, I'm gonna beat that pussy up".

Matthew P OTM.

Is the phrase "beat the pussy up" inherently misogynist?

*scratches chin and tries to judge level of sarcasm*

Or if they mean "beat", as in to "defeat", like in a game of Scrabble or something.

(he does mention consent in the first verse)

In certain senses this is misogynist but more in the indirect sex-as-a-competitive-sport sense than a full on sexual-assault sense.

here's the lyrics:

hey how ya doin' lil mama; lemme whisper in your ear.
tell ya sumptin' that you might wanna hear?
y'gotta sexy ass body and your ass looks soft;
mind if i touch it and see if it's soft?
Naw, I'm just playin'... unless you say that I can.
Hell yeah I'm known to be a real nasty man
And they said a closed mouth don't get fed,
So I don't mind askin' for head.
You heard what I said.
We need to make our way to the bed.
You can start using your head.
You like to fuck?
Have your legs open, all in the buck?
Do it up, slappin' ass cuz the sex gets rough?
Switch positions, ready to get down to business so you can what you been missing?
You might had some but you never had none like this.
Just wait'll you see mah dick.
Hey Bitch:
Wait'll you see mah dick.
Wait'll you see mah dick.
Hey Bitch:
Wait'll you see mah dick.
Ahmahbeathatpussyup.
Hey Bitch:
Wait'll you see mah dick.
Wait'll you see mah dick.
Hey Bitch:
Wait'll you see mah dick.
Ahmahbeathatpussyup.
Like: Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam.
beathuhpussahup beathuhpussahup.
beathuhpussahup beathuhpussahup.
beathuhpussahup beathuhpussahup.
beathuhpussahup beathuhpussahup.

it's obvious that these guys are borderline retarded. Or am I a rockist?

Well you're SOMETHING, but I don't think rockist is the word.

yes!

and of course Trina talks about sticking her cock into men's mouths as well.

I don't think there's anything in "Wait" which makes it especially misogynist in the context of hip-hop: it just feeds the above-mentioned sex-as-competitive-sport trope (with more than a frisson of power relations, which female rappers normally give back even better than they get) which is par for the course, albeit in über-explicit terms. And of course I'd expect crunk rappers to be into rough sex.

who did produce this then if not Lil Jon?

Ah, but what caused the expectation to start with?

The aggression of the music, the whole crunk ethos (losing control &c)...

I like thinking of it as a dialogue with the female rappers and R&B girls, who more than hold their own via either rejection (Ciara) or trumping the aggressive sexual imagery with something even more threatening (Trina).

No, I don't think they mean it literally at all. A generous interpretation would just be that it's a careless turn-of-phrase, a less-generous one might suggest that if beating a pussy up is your idea of the right way to, uh, sex than your ("you" as in "one", not you personally) attitudes towards women might need to be examined. I don't think it's neccesarily either, but I wouldn't be comfortable singing it out loud.

There's a comic, surreal quality to the bravado here that makes it more amusing than offensive personally, though I totally understand if someone has no desire to hear it. I like stuff that's crass and irreverent. If it was performed more hatefully I wouldn't enjoy it. It's why I can enjoy Eazy-E's rhymes more than Ice Cube's sometimes on Straight Outta Compton.

I sang it out loud today! My best friend wanted to know more. We were in the National Gallery, oh dear. I'd be totally comfortable with singing the whole song out loud as it's a whisper anyway.

this counter-argument is not new, either; it is lazy; and, obviously, a 'better/braver' (writing reviews is not brave) critic might also be able to 'fess up to/examine' being repulsed by the same elements you find thrilling. and if they could do it without calling their oppos 'morons', even better. no new territory is discovered by finding that critics get off on offensive/whacked-out lyrics. it's common knowledge.

I will unhesitatingly fess up to how clumsy that phrase was. And I am sorry that my glibness and the wave-the-red-flag headline inspired such fury. What I was going for is that, by declaring all people who enjoy "Wait" to be scum, you're asking people to look at your own tastes in vulgar erotic content and see if you have any ground to stand on when declaring this song indefensible as a source of entertainment (this is the ironic thing - declaring something defensible doesn't mean its beyond critique, it means you feel it deserves critique and discussion as to its qualities. Something indefensible - perhaps like this "date rape song" we've been threatened with or "Black Korea" by Ice Cube - would overtly endorse a criminal act, there would be no room for interpretation).

and obv I'm not actually saying all songs that endorse criminal acts are necessarily indefensible.

i can't believe I'm just now reading this. lol wow.

(interest sparked cuz i just acquired the album this is on for two bucks, tho how could you miss the single when it came out).

so...uh...has anybody's minds changed?

lol reading this just cuz I've been listening to their music & remembering how popular they were when I was in college, and while honestly I think there's better songs on the album anyway ("Badd" and "Shake" are both better singles) the couple posts (poorly) attempting an analogy of what a "female response track'd" entail are super-headdesk

my basic issue with the beat is idk what it does that "Drop It Like It's Hot" doesn't do better, although I suppose it doesn't "pop" as much and that works in the context of the delivery

anyway party like it's 2005 man

"Shake" is a low key classic, nowadays it's the song i'm most likely to hear a rap DJ play by the Ying Yang Twins OR by Pitbull

yeah, Pitbull's opening verse is so great too

Funny thing about this song is how much my best friend in college's first gf / pretty much every girl there were mad into it, truly the (slightly more unnerving?) "Blurred Lines" of its day

I did not realize how old Mr. Collipark was btw, kinda cool

wow, wtf I had no idea. for context, dude is older than Grandmaster Flash! o___O

wait, he was over 40 when he decided to briefly go by Beat In Azz?

haha

Grandpa Collipark onthebeathoe

man I always think it's too late for me to try making beats as a hobby and this gives me hope, thank you DJ Smurf

BTW if y'all put the producer under Composer in iTunes what do you tag the names as? I used to just update to whatever their last alias is but I feel like tagging Collipark as Beat in the Azz/Mr. Collipark/DJ Smurf and sorting as Mr. Collipark is more respectful to his name game lol

I did not realize how old Mr. Collipark was btw, kinda cool

― nova, Tuesday, September 16, 2014 7:58 AM (15 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i didn't know this either and it's fantastic.

this album is good, but looking at old tracklists the first 5-6 songs on me and my brother are unstoppable

This album is pretty hard to f/w outside of "Bedroom Boom," a couple more maudlin numbers and a few "party" tracks that don't pop off like the best stuff, but I should give Me & My Brother a closer listen

how did it take me 9 years to buy it lol, everyone in college loved these guys

"Fuck the Ying Yang Twins" does nerd-revenge fantasy rap better than any nerd rappers & "Live Again" does "I understand what these strippers go through" better than Drake too lol

oh man i forgot about Adam Levine singing "oh, the life of a stripper"

lol yeah

man 2005, Adam Levine's year of being Chris Martin before it was all cruelly snatched away

Is Mr. Collipark the Timbaland to Lil Jon's Neptunes/Pharrell? Not a qualitative comparison either way mind, just a working thesis I thought of where Collipark does club shit while Lil Jon does club shit and/or "hard" shit that Collipark doesn't really

idk doesn't really matter lol they're (were?) both good

Timbaland's hard shit is harder than the Neptunes tho

Damn, when was the last time Lil Jon really did street rap tho? I miss that shit

Mustard is so consciously indebted to Lil Jon that i don't feel like i miss him as much as i did a few years ago. would be interesting to hear him be more engaged w/ rap's current wave than that new "Turn Down For What" knockoff single featuring Tyga, though.

Timbaland's hard shit is harder than the Neptunes tho

― The Reverend, Saturday, September 20, 2014 5:39 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

nah honestly I think most of 'em are pretty bad but idk how many I'm thinking of. "3 A.M." being the one exception I'd agree with you on, shit's like a horror flick lol

dude at Ohword back in the mid-'00s had a post dissing the hell out of Timbaland during his JT/Nelly Furtado/Danjahandz resurgence and one of his main criticisms was that his catalogue's devoid of straight-up bangers. I disagreed at the time but he was onto something

Not that his "poppier"/typical old style in diff. eras style hasn't yielded tons of classics but it is a problem that disconnects him a bit from the core of the genre imo. Plus there's the fact that I just can't listen to Missy's albums straight through like that, although that is partially her fault, I don't think she's a very good rapper & the "goofiness" is not enough to make up for it

also Mustard may be indebted to Jon but I don't think he's anywhere near as good. though yeah not into "Turn Down for What" and lol don't know the other one you mentioned, fuck Tyga though

OK triple post my bad gonna chill heh

This song grosses me out. I don't like it when vox are recorded in a way that you can hear the saliva noises of the vocalists mouth...there's some Leonard Cohen songs I can't listen to for the same reason...this is my biggest pet peeve in all of music....this is maybe significant cuz it's the first rap song ever to do it. but it's still GROSS! yucky.
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 29 April 2005 14:13 (sixteen years ago) link