Mr. Show with Bob and David: Genius or Overrated?

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I disagree Ned, but then I don't like A New Morning either. ;-)

Nicole, Sunday, 11 August 2002 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

*weeps in sorrow*

Ned Raggett, Monday, 12 August 2002 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

I firmly believe that Mr. SHow was/is the greatest televesion comedy show ever made. Has there ever been such a blend of extremely intelligent comedic concepts and productions with such blatant low brow exhibitions? Also, I believe it impossible to top "The Fabulous House of the Future" sketch from season four. The subtelties are simply amazing, one must watch at least five or six times to truly appreciate it. Any other heads catch this shiznit?

Skeadas@hotmail.com, Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...
Three words:

"Fuzz: The Musical"

J (Jay), Thursday, 10 October 2002 19:27 (13 years ago) Permalink

I'm Pit Pat. And I WUV You! ha ha

Sarah McLusky (coco), Thursday, 10 October 2002 19:38 (13 years ago) Permalink

2 years pass...
Does anyone have any of the DVDs? I'm renting this from Netflix right now because this girl I've got quite a crush on relishes it...and I really don't know how I've never heard of this before. It's one of the most goddamned ridiculous things I've seen on celluloid, and I've only viewed the first season. Some skits are meh (notably that one with the soul singer, which Bob admits was very flat because he was dead tired when he did it...they apparently are the first to admit when their sketches flop) but some are brilliantly ludicrous. The cameos are great, too, from the obvious (Jack Black in various scenes, notably the "willy song") to the subtle (Margaret Cho can be spotted in the audience behind the gospel singers during "Third Wheel").

Goddamn it I've got that "Third Wheel" ditty stuck in my head yet again. Fucking catchy it is.

Ian Riese-Moraine. To Hell with you and your gradual evolution! (Eastern Mantra), Saturday, 23 April 2005 01:16 (11 years ago) Permalink

I bought the 3rd season DVD set a long time ago and never finished watching it.

Curious George (1/6 Scale Model) (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 23 April 2005 01:34 (11 years ago) Permalink

While my comments above still stand, I've long since realized that the real fact of the matter is that David Cross fuckin' bugs.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 23 April 2005 01:47 (11 years ago) Permalink

I'm not the biggest Cross fan, but Marilyn Monster is classic.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Saturday, 23 April 2005 01:54 (11 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, both Bob and David do seem to have ideas that are a bit gimmicky on preliminary assessment but I can tolerate that. I've laughed pretty hard through this and so I've resolved to watch the rest.

Ian Riese-Moraine. To Hell with you and your gradual evolution! (Eastern Mantra), Saturday, 23 April 2005 02:01 (11 years ago) Permalink

The show is fucking hilarious. Yes there have been the occasional bum skit. DAMN THEIR HUMANITY!!!


I'M A SUPERSTAR! IN A SUPERSTAR MACHINE!

miccio (miccio), Saturday, 23 April 2005 02:03 (11 years ago) Permalink

HE WILL KISS THE PAN!!!

miccio (miccio), Saturday, 23 April 2005 02:04 (11 years ago) Permalink

the kiss the pan skit is creepy!!!! it scares me a little.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 23 April 2005 02:06 (11 years ago) Permalink

IF ONLY YOU WERE BRITISH YOU COULD SEEEE!

Stupornaut (natepatrin), Saturday, 23 April 2005 02:11 (11 years ago) Permalink

Oh my God, Nancy. Oh, if only you could see what I hear. Upon the night, betwixt earth and flesh, the grinding of souls whispers a tale of how the dead do dance.

miccio (miccio), Saturday, 23 April 2005 02:12 (11 years ago) Permalink

GET OFF MY LAND!

classic.

latebloomer: But when the monkey die, people gonna cry. (latebloomer), Saturday, 23 April 2005 02:43 (11 years ago) Permalink

OVERRATIFIED GENUS

efil4zelffor (deangulberry), Saturday, 23 April 2005 03:26 (11 years ago) Permalink

happy fun ball (kenan), Saturday, 23 April 2005 03:46 (11 years ago) Permalink

those pix alone have me laffin'. i saw that live tour and bob had me laughin so bad at 'hail satan' (admittedly a lame sketch, but his character was the best thing ever since possibly... dicky crickets!) that i couldn't breathe. admittedly i was the only one in the entire performance hall with that reaction. i love bob! i kinda love dave too, but he sometimes gets too busy being smarter than everyone.

lolita corpus (lolitacorpus), Saturday, 23 April 2005 04:38 (11 years ago) Permalink

Was Mr. Show THE best American TV comedy in recent memory...?
Sweet baby jesus, no!

my top 3 US comedys:
the larry sanders show
strangers with candy
sealab2021

there has sure been a lot of david cross backlash lately. i have 1+2 plus the third season of mr show on dvd but i bought them mostly because i was searching for one particular sketch and i rarely watch them in their entirety. that said, there are few tv comedy moments that have me laughing out loud whenever i later think of them but the dice and sponge sandwich scene from the third season had me laughing hysterically whenever it would cross my mind for at least a year after i first saw it.

pleasant plains and i have been watching the ben stiller show over the past week or so. its ok but id take mr show over it any day.

oh, and sort of on topic - what the fuck is up with kelsey grammer and that sketch show?

katharine (katharine), Saturday, 23 April 2005 06:06 (11 years ago) Permalink

mr. show is the true way! terradaloo!

i still say american sketch comedy has never done better than mr. show, ever. i'm glad they cut it short before it got grotesquely awful (like later kids in the hall).

right now i'm wanting to see the streaking episode. if only for the heavenly sarah silverman's line "you sure slapped some meat in their eyes, jimmy!"

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Saturday, 23 April 2005 07:33 (11 years ago) Permalink

o i'll take chappelle show over mr. show easy so that's one sketch show that's better.

j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 23 April 2005 07:44 (11 years ago) Permalink

eh, chapelle's best ideas are great, but there's too much lazy hacky bullshit. "what would happen...if we put a WHITE GUY...in a house...with SEVEN CRAZY BLACK PEOPLE!" bleh.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Saturday, 23 April 2005 07:54 (11 years ago) Permalink

yes cuz that's what that sketch was about right

j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 23 April 2005 07:58 (11 years ago) Permalink

sorry, i guess i missed the deep hidden message there.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Saturday, 23 April 2005 09:42 (11 years ago) Permalink

I love Mr Show but i think Bob Odenkirk's 'Charles Manson' sketch in the Ben Stiller Show kicks the shit out of any sketch on Mr Show ever.

I like David Cross but there is something smug about him that grates sometimes. I far prefer Bob.

Hari A$hur$t (Toaster), Saturday, 23 April 2005 10:29 (11 years ago) Permalink

Bob Odenkirk's 'Charles Manson' sketch

Oh yes, yes indeed.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 23 April 2005 10:32 (11 years ago) Permalink

"I love Mr Show but i think Bob Odenkirk's 'Charles Manson' sketch in the Ben Stiller Show kicks the shit out of any sketch on Mr Show ever."

the one and only sketch on the ben stiller show that reached the heights that mr.show reached regularly. and if he hadn't been able to do it on the stiller show it probably would have ended up on mr.show.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 23 April 2005 12:53 (11 years ago) Permalink

it was so glaring on stiller's show cuz nothing else on stiller's show came close to it. whereas, on mr.show it would have fit right in.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 23 April 2005 12:54 (11 years ago) Permalink

Mr. Show is the funniest damn thing I've ever seen!

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 23 April 2005 12:54 (11 years ago) Permalink

the one and only sketch on the ben stiller show that reached the heights that mr.show reached regularly

*bows in the direction of Mr. Seward, respectfully disagrees*

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 23 April 2005 12:55 (11 years ago) Permalink

yeah, ned, it's just another one of those headscratchers with you. i just can't see why you wouldn't find mr.show funny. i mean, they do music skits, they parody sid & marty krofftt,oasis, marching bands, megaphone singers, space racists and the robots who love them. i could go on and on. you must REALLY hate david cross. cuz it was such a loopy and inspired show.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 23 April 2005 13:02 (11 years ago) Permalink

maybe you have to find the phrase "The goat is nature's president!" as funny as i do to really love it. and tofutti breaks.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 23 April 2005 13:04 (11 years ago) Permalink

cuz it was such a loopy and inspired show.

I realized it was trying to be that, but it just...wasn't. At least not constantly, not consistently, though it desperately tried hard (too hard?) to be that, forcing the humor and forcing quotes around 'loopy' and 'inspired' as a result. I saw a whole batch of episodes all at once and then a few here and there since and just...no, sorry, not more than wryly amusing here and there. Not *no* laughs, as I mention above -- Dalai Lama sketch, for instance, a definite winner. But gosh, so much of it could have been edited down, made dryer maybe...yeah, I'm not the guys actually getting up there and creating it all so I should talk, but if I find myself telling the show/sketch/actors to get on with it on a semi-regular basis then it's just not working for me, and listing a whole bunch of references won't convince me, much the same way that the huge list of injokes I can make from MST3K -- which to me just outstrips Mr. Show for laughs still, completely -- isn't going to convince someone who has seen a slew of episodes and just shrugged and moved on.

But yeah, there is the Cross factor. I love Odenkirk in Stiller, he seems dragged down and sprawling in Mr. Show = either Cross is even worse than I imagine him or the camaraderie on Stiller was a perfect secret weapon.

Anyway, Mr. Show doesn't work for me, you think the Kenna album sucks, and yet we are love. :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 23 April 2005 13:13 (11 years ago) Permalink

It's funnier than Arrested Development.

The one about Marijuana is one of the best things I've ever seen, but since every show changes into a million different bits, let me clarify that it's the one that starts off with Dave being high.

There are so many tiny details in Mr. Show to laugh at that most shows wouldn't bother to add. To say that Mr. Show was "trying to be" anything is assuming too much. It *was* a loopy and inspired show and if you see it as "trying to be" such, then I'd say you are projecting. It just is what it is.

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 23 April 2005 13:20 (11 years ago) Permalink

it's okay, ned. tears are nature's onions.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 23 April 2005 13:21 (11 years ago) Permalink

It *was* a loopy and inspired show and if you see it as "trying to be" such, then I'd say you are projecting. It just is what it is.

Saying that the show was loopy and inspired because it was loopy and inspired is a bit glib. I don't doubt you like it at all and that you enjoy it very much, so can I ask that you consider the opposite point of view might have been derived from the same basic experience, ie watching the show? As I've had to point out on similar threads before, the very thread *title* invites debate, yes?

I actually didn't have much of a problem with Cross until I saw Mr. Show, to be honest -- I was completely neutral. Now, in combination with other things of his, I am not. Is that projecting or my reaction?

Anyway, onions. Yum!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 23 April 2005 13:29 (11 years ago) Permalink

Ned, you're so OTM on this whole thread! Thanks!

W i l l (common_person), Saturday, 23 April 2005 13:32 (11 years ago) Permalink

did you see the space racist sketch that ends in a benny hill dance with aliens? since you hate cross i'm not even gonna ask you about wicked scepter.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 23 April 2005 13:32 (11 years ago) Permalink

Space Racists sounds familiar, but with a description like that something should leap to mind more readily.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 23 April 2005 13:38 (11 years ago) Permalink

Well, saying it is "trying to be" something it was is wrong, no? Are you trying to be Ned? Loopy and inspiring = offbeat, crazy and innovative, correct? So, yes, it was all those things. Was it "trying to be" those things? I think it was just meant to be funny. Were you there when they were writing the sketches?

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 23 April 2005 13:40 (11 years ago) Permalink

Loopy and inspiring = offbeat, crazy and innovative, correct? So, yes, it was all those things. Was it "trying to be" those things? I think it was just meant to be funny.

You need to get on political TV talk shows.

(More seriously, what part of "I DO NOT THINK THE VAST MAJORITY OF IT WAS ENTERTAINING OR SUCCESSFUL AND THEREFORE SAYING SOMETHING LIKE 'YES, IT WAS ALL THOSE THINGS' FLATLY IS GOING TO MAKE ME GO 'OH RIGHT YOU ARE, I WILL DENY MY OWN EXPERIENCES IN ORDER TO SUIT YOUR REALITY" did you not understand? And why does the final line of your complaint remind me of all those messages Melody Maker used to get and print from aggreived attendees of concerts saying "Were you at the same show I was?!")

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 23 April 2005 13:45 (11 years ago) Permalink

i'm used to differing with people on ilx about comedy. i don't really have any "taste" when it comes to comedy. i like a lot of it. the good, the bad, and the ugly. heck, i watched an hour of Reba last nite! i love mad t.v. i thought i was gonna get shouted out of the building on one thread for admitting that. i'm not a family guy fan.i still love the simpsons. even now. i like cliche sitcoms. i dunno, mr.show really seemed like a breath of fresh air. it was the last thing i ever taped on my vcr when it was first on in that breathless way that i used to years ago cuz i worried that i would never ever see something again otherwise (pre-dvd madness). i am a big fan of the silly. i always thought that "trying too hard" atmosphere of mr.show was done on purpose. cuz the live stuff was SUPPOSED to resemble people trying desperately to stay on the air and be funny. I liked that live theatre aspect to it.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 23 April 2005 13:45 (11 years ago) Permalink

Heheh, IS NOT GOING TO MAKE ME, etc. ;-) xpost.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 23 April 2005 13:46 (11 years ago) Permalink

meant to type "inspired" not "inspiring"...

All I am saying is that it would make more sense for you to say that this approach to comedy didn't work for you because "it was a little too loopy and inspired to be funny", rather than to say they were "trying to be loopy and inspired but it just... wasn't." Because it was!

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 23 April 2005 13:46 (11 years ago) Permalink

but i never thought the taped sketches had that trying-too-hard quality. they were all written and shot so perfectly.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 23 April 2005 13:46 (11 years ago) Permalink

As one would not say "Sonic Youth is trying to be dissonant but just... isn't."

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 23 April 2005 13:47 (11 years ago) Permalink

Scott, I taped a bunch of the Mr. Show episodes, too and sadly, though I think the show *is* hilarious in a timeless kind of way, the show is not so funny if you've seen the episode once. The loopy & inspired approach of the show is really what makes it funny; the surprise twists, etc. I mean, of course anything is less funny once you've already heard/seen it (except for possibly that Winnebago Man movie floating around the web), but Mr. Show was really all about the surprises! I wish it would come back on the air.

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 23 April 2005 13:52 (11 years ago) Permalink

I can still watch the New San Francisco dance number over and over again.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 23 April 2005 13:54 (11 years ago) Permalink

And why does the final line of your complaint remind me of all those messages Melody Maker used to get and print from aggreived attendees of concerts saying "Were you at the same show I was?!

I don't know because they're completely different points. One is about experiencing a show and one is about experiencing the thought process behind-the-scenes of the show.

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 23 April 2005 13:55 (11 years ago) Permalink

i really love how after all this time it is exactly the same show

insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Monday, 16 November 2015 04:08 (8 months ago) Permalink

it really is, it's uncanny

last episode of the 4 was my least favorite but that's okay, they can't all be solid gold

Οὖτις, Monday, 16 November 2015 21:04 (8 months ago) Permalink

high points of new eps for me:
- John Ennis' incomprehensible angry englishman jibber jabber
- finding the right rhyme for "stairs" in "Rooms: The Musical"

Οὖτις, Monday, 16 November 2015 21:05 (8 months ago) Permalink

the intro animation is great I just crack up at bobs expressions tbh

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 18 November 2015 14:39 (8 months ago) Permalink

Still haven't watched this, but I think "Rooms: The Musical" must be an oooooold idea (there's a fake program for it in the Naomi Odenkirk book).

Say Goodbye To That Blood (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 18 November 2015 14:48 (8 months ago) Permalink

I love Odenkirk ( the Steve jobs brother stand up bit is pure gold ) but this show just doesn't make me laugh at all

― calstars, Friday, November 13, 2015 1:37 PM (5 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I know Bob & David have always shied away from using real names in their broad parody, but this misses the point of that sketch so wildly that this post has haunted my thoughts

bricc baby hitlo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 November 2015 16:16 (8 months ago) Permalink

An earlier version of Rooms got performed on CBB a few years ago.

let no-one live rent free in your butt (sic), Wednesday, 18 November 2015 16:49 (8 months ago) Permalink

xpost

tbh I had never heard of Shingy until after seeing the Bob & David sketch, I also thought it was a parody of Apple product events with some crazy made up character in the Steve Jobs role

too young for seapunk (Moodles), Wednesday, 18 November 2015 17:09 (8 months ago) Permalink

oh yeah, shingy is a special level of wow
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/11/17/crystal-ball-3

i made a scope for my laser musket out of some (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 18 November 2015 17:50 (8 months ago) Permalink

yeah, but even on top of the Shingy, the setting is clearly more "Ted Talk" than "product unveil"

bricc baby hitlo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 November 2015 17:54 (8 months ago) Permalink

let alone "stand up" (shades of Gallagher II notwithstanding)

bricc baby hitlo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 November 2015 17:55 (8 months ago) Permalink

wait Shingy is a real person?!

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 18 November 2015 17:55 (8 months ago) Permalink

reminds me of the dude from the hiphopsite forums who, unfamiliar with gilligans island, tried to break the news that conan obrien made a reference to indie rapper thirstin howl III on late night

― and what, Friday, January 11, 2008 6:54 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

bricc baby hitlo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 November 2015 17:56 (8 months ago) Permalink

shingy is a real person

i made a scope for my laser musket out of some (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 18 November 2015 18:01 (8 months ago) Permalink

"the sixth... largest... contributor... to stress today is media overload"
really want to see this research

i made a scope for my laser musket out of some (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 18 November 2015 18:03 (8 months ago) Permalink

i'm not even gonna front, i wish to god i had thought up the shingy schtick before he did because i could TOTALLY do that and how much fun would it be to go in front of a group of hundreds of millionaires and just babble half-obvious / half-imaginary truth statistics and then have them pay me a fuckton of money for it

i made a scope for my laser musket out of some (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 18 November 2015 18:08 (8 months ago) Permalink

Digital Prophet by day, singer-songwriter by night.

insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Wednesday, 18 November 2015 18:16 (8 months ago) Permalink

the Einstein Portrait skit was amazing. episode 2 or 3.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 28 November 2015 06:42 (8 months ago) Permalink

daves stoner brother is really good lmao @ "bro i gotta take one of my world famous showers dont deny me my shower rights"

johnny crunch, Saturday, 28 November 2015 17:48 (8 months ago) Permalink

6 months pass...

I don't know why I waited so long to start watching this. So good. Odenkirk's delivery of "but the creamed asparagus stole the show!" in the Most Dangerous Game sketch just about slayed me. He is such an amazing genius.

Manspread Mann (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 21 June 2016 14:37 (1 month ago) Permalink

i just noticed last week that hbogo has the original run up. i do not know if it's always been there and i just never noticed or if it's a recent thing but i was excited to start rewatching

dynamicinterface, Tuesday, 21 June 2016 14:45 (1 month ago) Permalink

Yeah, I think it's a new thing. I read something about HBO trying to make all of their old shows available. Don't know if they have Larry Sanders yet but they were working on it.

Manspread Mann (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 21 June 2016 14:48 (1 month ago) Permalink

Call me when they get Not Necessarily the News up there

queen elseq of ærendelle (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 June 2016 14:55 (1 month ago) Permalink

need my sniglet fix

queen elseq of ærendelle (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 June 2016 14:59 (1 month ago) Permalink

no larry sanders yet :(

dynamicinterface, Tuesday, 21 June 2016 15:05 (1 month ago) Permalink

yeah that's in the works

I love how like the lone character they brought back from the original run for the new episodes was John Ennis' mustachioed incomprehensible englishman

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 21 June 2016 16:37 (1 month ago) Permalink

It's a fantastic character. Upping the incomprehensibility was a good move.

Manspread Mann (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 21 June 2016 16:40 (1 month ago) Permalink

My understanding is the contracts for Larry Sanders for any episodes involving music/musical guests were done in the same short-sighted way that Saturday Night Live's are done - no consideration for online streaming or sales, etc. - and that clearing them for the DVDs was expensive and exhausting. It's never streamed on any service yet.

Your Ribs are My Ladder, Tuesday, 21 June 2016 17:34 (1 month ago) Permalink

that's not true it was on Crackle for awhile, and you can purchase episodes/seasons through Amazon

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 21 June 2016 17:40 (1 month ago) Permalink

I still wish SNL would figure out some deal with the musical acts, that stuff is living pop culture history at this point

queen elseq of ærendelle (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 June 2016 17:52 (1 month ago) Permalink

x-post - I don't even know what Crackle is, but either way I was doubly wrong: It streamed on Netflix for a few months in 2013 before Sony (who made it) complained to HBO that they didn't have the rights to license it for streaming, for reasons including music rights.

As for SNL, Broadway Video reportedly refuses to negotiate the extra payments to the musical guests to have the right to rebroadcast that segment of the show on streaming/VOD services. (Lorne doesn't want to pay the bands or the lawyers to deal with it; his interest in the musical segments faded in the '70s, supposedly)

Your Ribs are My Ladder, Tuesday, 21 June 2016 18:00 (1 month ago) Permalink

I still wish SNL would figure out some deal with the musical acts, that stuff is living pop culture history at this point

yeah this is so deeply irritating, so many great performances basically totally unavailable/lost

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 21 June 2016 18:02 (1 month ago) Permalink

It's so silly. I'm sure it would mean paying, Timbuk 3, like 14 cents a year.

queen elseq of ærendelle (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 June 2016 18:08 (1 month ago) Permalink

Thank goodness for the efforts of those willing to digitize old VHS tapes. The true heroes.

Manspread Mann (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 21 June 2016 18:09 (1 month ago) Permalink

I mean I def think there is some historical importance and this goes beyond the entitled fan service crap of "why isn't season three of the Twilight Zone on Netflix *pisses pants*" or "nnnguuuhhh I don't want to PAY for [show readily available on iTunes/Amazon] *shits pants*]

queen elseq of ærendelle (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 June 2016 18:11 (1 month ago) Permalink

Yes, I agree wholeheartedly and it really is a shame *vomits on pants*.

Manspread Mann (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 21 June 2016 18:14 (1 month ago) Permalink


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