"Can I say you're my girlfriend on Facebook?"

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Incidentally (hello I am old), isn't there something else called faceparty? Is it the same? You young people!

Bhumibol Adulyadej (Lucretia My Reflection), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 13:19 (8 years ago) Permalink

If I put myself down as 'staff' and not 'student', does that exlude me from one set or the other? Cos like, I know other staff at [INSERT UNIVERSITY NAME HERE] and don't want to exlusively find out details of academics/administrators when I could larff at STEWWDENTS :)

Bhumibol Adulyadej (Lucretia My Reflection), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 13:21 (8 years ago) Permalink

faceparty is different
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faceparty

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 13:23 (8 years ago) Permalink

who wants to be in my Ballsbook, ladies?
xpost Ballsparty?

teh_kit has 22 friends (g-kit), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 13:24 (8 years ago) Permalink

I don't know Starry. I'm not sure if the site is able to verify past a legitmate .edu address. I am uni staff but have yet to facebook myself. the shame.

Miss Misery xox (MissMiseryTX), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 13:32 (8 years ago) Permalink

Answers for starry re Facebook

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook%27s_use_in_investigations

wikipedia:

Privacy Settings

Facebook contains privacy settings that individuals can set to prevent school administrators or other groups from accessing their profiles or photos. Under the "My Privacy" settings page, a facebook user can select which of the following groups are allowed to view a page:

* Undergrads
* Grad Students
* Alumni
* Faculty
* Staff

However, there is no guarantee that school administrators or law enforcement agencies will not choose to identify themselves falsely on Facebook, or that they cannot gain access to profile information via other means.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 13:33 (8 years ago) Permalink

Can you change your profile if necessary? What if you are eg, an employee doing a research project, for debate :)

Bhumibol Adulyadej (Lucretia My Reflection), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 13:39 (8 years ago) Permalink

Two stories:

1. My girlfriend just graduated from college last year (2005) and doesn't have a Friendster or MySpace profile but does have a Facebook profile. This makes me feel old. However, I think what she likes about Facebook is that it is relatively closed off to the outside world, whereas I don't generally care what yahoos have a gander at my drunken photos.

2. I was at a frat party at the Univ. of Chicago a couple months ago ... an ILXor invited me, and I went for the anthropological experience as much as anything, really. Anyway, so I'm talking to this BMOC in a felt cowboy hat, who's somehow convinced that I had been dancing with this girl he has a crush on named Allison. (The only girl I'd been dancing with was this gawky philosophy major named Ethel who hurriedly told me within the first minute, "By the way, I don't wanna hook up with you, I have a boyfriend." Whatever!) I try to deny it at first, but he's not upset or anything, his attitude is more like "good for you, bro -- she's fuckin' hot, isn't she?" -- so eventually I agree that yes, I was dancing with Allison. "You know what you can do for me?" he slurs. "You can have her look me up on Facebook. That's Bret. With one T." At which point I laughed out loud.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 13:48 (8 years ago) Permalink

Oh and re the thread title: when my gf was showing me her Facebook profile, I was surprised to see that not only could you say you were "In a Relationship" but you could actually designate who your partner was and link to their profile.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 13:51 (8 years ago) Permalink

no idea !

i would expect most streetwise students would probably lock out snooping staff via the privacy settings

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 13:51 (8 years ago) Permalink

BMOC

??

Miss Misery xox (MissMiseryTX), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 13:54 (8 years ago) Permalink

Big Man On Campus! (I hope)

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 13:57 (8 years ago) Permalink

Facebook is pretty useful. It makes keeping in touch with uni friends nice and easy. I'm young and went to a 'posh' uni though.

jng (jng), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 13:59 (8 years ago) Permalink

No-one has yet addressed the fact that the titular quote is incredible cute!

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 14:07 (8 years ago) Permalink

jng, how long can you keep your uni account open in the States? Over here, perhaps a few months... i mean, you cannot really use Facebook (if I got the rules right now) to keep in touch with uni friends once you graduated

olenska (olenska), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 14:09 (8 years ago) Permalink

most universities offer alumni accounts.

Miss Misery xox (MissMiseryTX), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 14:10 (8 years ago) Permalink

surely it stops people who aren't at uni going on it? what happens when you graduate?

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 14:11 (8 years ago) Permalink

xpost, sorry.

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 14:11 (8 years ago) Permalink

Over here, perhaps a few months

Says you. I've had mine for nearly 10 years after graduation by now.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 14:12 (8 years ago) Permalink

Aww yeah - I just signed up as an alumni! It makes me feels old and lecherous though. Like going to a student party would, I guess.

Baaderonixx immer wieder (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 14:13 (8 years ago) Permalink

But Alumni can only perv on other Alumni? I might be wrong.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 14:15 (8 years ago) Permalink

Clearly I am, if I'm capitalising alumni.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 14:15 (8 years ago) Permalink

Haha, I started doing some work and clicked away from the register window, I guess I am not that bothered after all!

The sad truth is that I think it would make me feel lonely, and out of it! And I have a perfectly good LIVEJOURNAL for that arf arf ARF.

Bhumibol Adulyadej (Lucretia My Reflection), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 14:15 (8 years ago) Permalink

I'm in the UK, so no idea about the US. I signed up with my uni email account a couple of years ago, and then just switched the profile over to my alumni email account when I graduated.

xpost

jng (jng), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 14:17 (8 years ago) Permalink

maybe we could have an ILX SOCIAL GROUP????

Baaderonixx immer wieder (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 14:19 (8 years ago) Permalink

Its a really good way to stay in touch w people after you graduate.

deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 14:23 (8 years ago) Permalink

Big Man On Campus! (I hope)

Yes. He seemed to know everyone and was walking around making sure people were having a good time.

I never signed up for an alumni e-mail account, and now I'm unsure of how to do so, but the only people I'd know on Facebook are young punks like deej, anyway.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 14:30 (8 years ago) Permalink

Its a really good way to stay in touch w people after you graduate.
-- deej.. (clublonel...), June 27th, 2006.

a bit like MEETING THEM, HOLDING CONVERSATIONS, THAT KIND OF SHIT.

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 14:31 (8 years ago) Permalink

As a current college student, I can vouch for how omnipresent it is. In the official UC Berkeley student questionnaire (rate the counselors from 1-10 etc.) the university had an entire section in the survey asking students about facebook. I can think of two people I know who *aren't* on it.

It's far classier than myspace because you can't change your page much. No background music. No videos. This is good.

Very recently though, there has been a very noticeable trend (in Berkeley at least...can't speak for the nation) to make your profile super-private and only visable to friends. People are either getting wary, or snobby, I'm not sure which.

starke (starke), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 14:33 (8 years ago) Permalink

Yeah its real easy to do that with my friends in San Francisco xp

deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 14:35 (8 years ago) Permalink

A few more things:

1. My brother is a grad student and when he TAs a class, he always checks out his students' Facebook profiles and is sometimes surprised at what they're willing to divulge. (Then he stores this information in an Excel spreadsheet ... oh wait.)

2. I have a cousin who just finished his freshman year at Northern Illinois University. He tells me that as soon as he received his school e-mail address last summer, he immediately signed up on Facebook and found that dozens of other incoming students had done so as well. In fact, the ability to notate your dorm and room number within your profile meant that he knew nearly everyone in his hall before they ever actually met face to face.

3. Haha, my dad moderated a panel about Facebook last month.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 14:41 (8 years ago) Permalink

High school students can join it now too. Which is weird.

deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 14:44 (8 years ago) Permalink

See, that's not weird to me because as far as I'm concerned, EVERYONE under 25 is on it.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 14:57 (8 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, trading facebooks was the first thing the staff did when we got to camp. I think the basic reason it's so much more universal than eg friendster is the total lack of crepey hookup connotations?

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 14:59 (8 years ago) Permalink

he always checks out his students' Facebook profiles
Not always, just for the cute ones ;)

robots in love (robotsinlove), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 15:06 (8 years ago) Permalink

facebook is even creepier than myspace/friendster cuz then you can anonymously crepe on cute girls in your classes.

the eunuchs, Cassim and Mustafa, who guarded Abdur Ali's harem (orion), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 15:09 (8 years ago) Permalink

It's strange--I do feel like there is a generational divide with facebook. I joined just this year, as a 24 year old grad student. But, the first year grad students, who are right out of college, already had facebook accounts from undergrad days. they just had to switch over the designation to their new university affiliation. But the point is they already had them and were totally accustomed to using them, whereas they had convinced me to join, and then were disappointed when facebook did not function the same way they were used to (nobody checked it frequently enough, thereby making announcing parties useless).

robots in love (robotsinlove), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 15:09 (8 years ago) Permalink

Did you read the Lewis Flyer article yet, M.?

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 15:12 (8 years ago) Permalink

Regarding the quote in topic, yeah, the relationship status on Facebook does lead to a lot of awkward situations. A friend of mine had that she was married to her boyfriend on Facebook. After they broke up for a while, he eventually changed the setting to say single which automatically did it for her profile too. It was like a whole 'nother stage of breaking up.

There's an annoying girl at my job who has some serious growing up to do. One of her many horrifying common behaviors is playing "house" at the job and designating different coworkers as different members of her family. For a while she had a huge crush on me, and thus I became the husband. Whenever new people were hired, she'd excitedly hug me and exclaim in her nasal voice, "This is Derek, he's my husband! He's the best husband in the world!" Then she'd switch to a more serious tone to warn the girls that they'd better not flirt with me. Terrifying. Of course, she wanted to marry me on Facebook. After weeks of continually reminding me that I have yet to click "yes" that we are indeed married, I finally gave in and did it. After a while, trying to finally give her the message that I'm not interested, I switched to being married with another one of our coworkers, a girl I'm good friends with but my "wife" hated. When she saw that I'd switched the status, she had a real break down. Female co-workers told me about her heart break over the incident.

In conclusion, jesus christ, be glad you're not on Facebook.

like murderinging (modestmickey), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 15:42 (8 years ago) Permalink

why is this any better than myspace? i don't get it.
-- dog latin (doglati...) (webmail), June 27th, 2006. (dog latin)

Certain features that make it really useful for college students. You can list your classes in your profile and the page can create a list for you of people in your classes. You can easily find people in your class to ask them questions about upcoming tests, what the homework was, etc. Also, unlike MySpace, there's more local community centered stuff since the only people on Facebook I interact with are fellow UNCC students and I don't see anyone from Harvard. For example there's groups with local interest like "I LOVE " rather than just "I LOVE LIMP BIZKIT." Like other people mentioned, there's the announcing/organizing events too.

like murderinging (modestmickey), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 15:49 (8 years ago) Permalink

But what is this thing that US students say is now more important than sex and texting?

MORE IMPORTANT THAN TEXTING?!?!?!?!??!

matlewis (matlewis), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 15:54 (8 years ago) Permalink

he eventually changed the setting to say single which automatically did it for her profile too. It was like a whole 'nother stage of breaking up.

That is pretty harsh.

Miss Misery xox (MissMiseryTX), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 15:54 (8 years ago) Permalink

I think the basic reason it's so much more universal than eg friendster is the total lack of crepey hookup connotations?

Au contraire. I think a lot of people use it for exactly that reason. That's the impression I've gotten, anyway.

Deric W. Haircare (Deric W. Haircare), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 16:36 (8 years ago) Permalink

Facebook is fucking annoying. I'm an elderly undergrad, surrounded by people who use it as a substitute for actual communication. So I decided to get kicked off of Facebook but it's not working yet--I've replaced my entire profile with excerpts from Pilgrim's Progress and some Duran Duran slash fiction, I've started reporting every person whose profile says "Libertarian," etc. No luck.

adam (adam), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 16:41 (8 years ago) Permalink

surrounded by people who use it as a substitute for actual communication.

hi, do you know the internet?

Miss Misery xox (MissMiseryTX), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 16:51 (8 years ago) Permalink

hah yeah wtf how is it different than anything else on the internet?

deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 16:56 (8 years ago) Permalink

that facebook thing would have been so useful for my social life in '96. and myspace too. and p2p files exchange softwares (I was so informationally poor). also, ah, if only I had pentium3 +highspeed+100gig storage+ free video editing software back then, when
i was more interested in cinema , because most of the canonic cinematographic trips were new to me etc good grief I should have been born in '81

S. (Sébastien Chikara), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 17:03 (8 years ago) Permalink

S. (Sébastien Chikara), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 17:12 (8 years ago) Permalink

believe it or not, there are things better for your social life than exponentially raising the amount of time you spend sitting in front of a computer.

like murderinging (modestmickey), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 17:28 (8 years ago) Permalink

i don't.

jeffrey (johnson), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 17:30 (8 years ago) Permalink

https://www.facebook.com/mentions

°ㅇ๐ْ ° (gr8080), Thursday, 17 July 2014 19:07 (5 months ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

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nostormo, Friday, 1 August 2014 16:13 (4 months ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Is Facebook getting owned right now

, Wednesday, 3 September 2014 19:41 (3 months ago) Permalink

crushed

nostormo, Wednesday, 3 September 2014 19:46 (3 months ago) Permalink

crashed

nostormo, Wednesday, 3 September 2014 19:47 (3 months ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

i've completely stopped using facebook except for messaging because i can't stand things i like or comment on being seen on my, like, cousins' walls and stuff. or old coworkers. people i'm just generally not close with, who i don't really want potentially seeing my interactions with my friends. every time i almost comment on someone else's post i think "ugh what if [x] sees this, that's weird" or "they really don't need to be a spectator in this conversation" etc. and you can't change this! you can restrict your own shit but any interactions with your friends are open to the world.

and i don't post my own shit either. i generally don't really understand what facebook is for anymore aside from broadcasting wedding/baby news/photos. it made sense when i was younger but now it's like i'm curating everything for a bunch of people who aren't on that level w/me. i basically just want to unfriend all my cousins but that makes thanksgiving weird. and i don't need my girlfriends' dad seeing my humorous TEN GIGS OF WOMEN'S BUTTS detective stabler cover photo but i forgot it was there when i friended him (bc i had to!) everything is awkward! i need a pr person

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Friday, 14 November 2014 01:34 (1 month ago) Permalink

Yeah, I get uncomfortable when I see some fb-generated update like

"[my old babysitter] replied to a comment on [her sister who I'm not even friends with]'s post!"

because that means I know that my father-in-law is getting updates like

"how's life is making jokes about cops with the commies from his high school ska band!"

how's life, Friday, 14 November 2014 01:41 (1 month ago) Permalink

join the rest of us internet hermits and cut the fb chord guys. been fb free for three ish years now and haven't ever looked back. brb storing my urine in a mason jar

this things i believe (art), Friday, 14 November 2014 02:01 (1 month ago) Permalink

i am blessed by having told family members that i only use fb for academic stuff. they will never bear witness to my stream of dumb likes and narcissistic selfies

Merdeyeux, Friday, 14 November 2014 02:16 (1 month ago) Permalink

✓ out this insane nakh yall (gr8080), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 21:29 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

i've completely stopped using facebook except for messaging because i can't stand things i like or comment on being seen on my, like, cousins' walls and stuff. or old coworkers. people i'm just generally not close with, who i don't really want potentially seeing my interactions with my friends. every time i almost comment on someone else's post i think "ugh what if [x] sees this, that's weird" or "they really don't need to be a spectator in this conversation" etc. and you can't change this! you can restrict your own shit but any interactions with your friends are open to the world.

and i don't post my own shit either. i generally don't really understand what facebook is for anymore aside from broadcasting wedding/baby news/photos. it made sense when i was younger but now it's like i'm curating everything for a bunch of people who aren't on that level w/me. i basically just want to unfriend all my cousins but that makes thanksgiving weird. and i don't need my girlfriends' dad seeing my humorous TEN GIGS OF WOMEN'S BUTTS detective stabler cover photo but i forgot it was there when i friended him (bc i had to!) everything is awkward! i need a pr person

― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Thursday, November 13, 2014 7:34 PM (5 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

a big spate of unsubcribing ppl works wonders

i did it all for the 'nuki (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 22:38 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

or just muting them

polyphonic, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 22:44 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

but then you risk getting into that situation where you run into someone and they expect you to know they got married or are pregnant or w/e and you're like "hey, I didn't know!" and they're like "but I posted it on fb!" and you're like "sorry but I unfollowed you"

rising tones cross (anagram), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 22:49 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

You can just say "oh I must have missed that!" and then it's over.

polyphonic, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 22:51 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

i've completely stopped using facebook except for messaging because i can't stand things i like or comment on being seen on my, like, cousins' walls and stuff. or old coworkers. people i'm just generally not close with, who i don't really want potentially seeing my interactions with my friends...and i don't post my own shit either. i generally don't really understand what facebook is for anymore aside from broadcasting wedding/baby news/photos.

Wow, I'm completely the opposite -- I think the messaging system is a disaster, to the point that I sort of seethe when someone sends me a message on it. But I find the newsfeed works well as a sort of less public twitter; good for sharing links, good for asking questions ("does anybody know a good ____", "does anybody know how to ____," etc.)

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 22:57 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

can't stand the messenger thing, or any of FB at all really, but my mother has decided this is the only way she will even bother communicating family events with me and my siblings. even though I've told her over and over that i rarely look at FB and that it is never the best way to communicate with me, she still does it.

ƋППṍӮɨ∏ğڵșěᶉᶇдM℮ (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 23:09 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

a big spate of unsubcribing ppl works wonders

― i did it all for the 'nuki (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, November 18, 2014 5:38 PM (40 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

or just muting them

― polyphonic, Tuesday, November 18, 2014 5:44 PM (34 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i don't mind seeing their shit i just want them to not see mine

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 23:21 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

You can add people to lists and then chose which list you send messages to. You'll still see them, they won't see you, unless you choose to show them.

koogs, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 23:52 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

I don't think it's as flexible as Google's circles, but I think it'll work.

koogs, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 23:53 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

ya but i don't want them seeing the stuff i like/comment on which fbook broadcasts to everyone whether you like it or not

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 00:25 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

Having been back on Facebook in the last 3 months purely for my own self promotional reasons work-wise, it's been useful in that respect.

But fuck damn there is still so much bumf and crap and pointless chatter on there from people I know, and it's embarrassing.

Drop soap, not bombs (Ste), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 00:50 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

ya but i don't want them seeing the stuff i like/comment on which fbook broadcasts to everyone whether you like it or not

Only if the post youre liking/commenting on is public or "friends of friends", afaik.

And why anyone makes global posts I have no freaking idea.

Gumbercules? I love that guy! (Trayce), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 05:19 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

Yeah, I get uncomfortable when I see some fb-generated update like

"[my old babysitter] replied to a comment on [her sister who I'm not even friends with]'s post!"

because that means I know that my father-in-law is getting updates like

"how's life is making jokes about cops with the commies from his high school ska band!"

― how's life, Thursday, November 13, 2014 8:41 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Ha! This is definitely happening now. Obstreperous old coot has been commenting on posts by friends and friends-of-friends alike. This morning he was lecturing a Finnish friend of my father's about proper wood chopping techniques. Why am I still on this nightmare network?

put your money where the maracas are (how's life), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 17:01 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

what is the point of forcing users to crop all profile pics in a square?

✓ out this insane nakh yall (gr8080), Monday, 1 December 2014 17:12 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

To make everything standardized?

pplains, Monday, 1 December 2014 18:28 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

its so strange and unnecessary tho

✓ out this insane nakh yall (gr8080), Monday, 1 December 2014 18:30 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

bumf and crap and pointless chatter are the Very Stuff of Life to a great many people and without it they would become sad, ghostly apparitions.

oh no! must be the season of the rich (Aimless), Monday, 1 December 2014 18:41 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Xpost so it will fit on next years calendar.

Mark G, Monday, 1 December 2014 18:52 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

I mean, every site with an avatar has a standard size, right?

Now why square? Because it's the easiest shape to make for photos?

pplains, Monday, 1 December 2014 19:34 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

but... facebook has "photo albums" as a key feature, and always has. your "profile photos" are in a photo album, it has worked this way forever

✓ out this insane nakh yall (gr8080), Monday, 1 December 2014 19:38 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

But those photos in your photo albums are going to be used as an avatar on your front page or used whenever you post a comment on someone's page.

pplains, Monday, 1 December 2014 19:39 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

aren't going to be used.

pplains, Monday, 1 December 2014 19:39 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

and for years fb has had a function where you select what square-shaped area of the photo does get used, which worked just fine

✓ out this insane nakh yall (gr8080), Monday, 1 December 2014 19:41 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

I used to fuck with the profile pic by making ones that were like 200 px wide and 30000 px long

, Monday, 1 December 2014 19:45 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

and for years fb has had a function where you select what square-shaped area of the photo does get used, which worked just fine

Well, ok, that's a new one on me. I thought they still let you crop it.

pplains, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 05:03 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

http://time.com/facebook-world-plan/

Nhex, Saturday, 6 December 2014 19:05 (1 week ago) Permalink

So, these new chimes tied to basic functions in the mobile app...

Don A Henley And Get Over It (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 6 December 2014 23:14 (1 week ago) Permalink


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