Budgen died in 1971. He certainly wasn't some kind of sole recipient of the one true secret about either book. JJ did feed information to various people, but I don't think it's true to say that there's a fact that he kept from us that, if we had it, would clarify everything. We ('we'?) already know a great deal about both books, though FW does remain darker than U.
Josh: I think your question could also be approached in terms of 'style'. Ulysses is obviously not a one-trick pony - partly because it's such a many-styled book, and different things are at stake and different pleasures available in each case. FW, on the other hand, can look from a distance rather uniform in style. If it felt less uniform I'd like it more warmly than I do. But those Wakeans who love it so much would probably maintain that its style was far from uniform -- which suggests to me that this is indeed a key aspect of the question you're trying to raise.
Possibly the most clear-yet-rigorous accounts of 'what the gimmick is [gimmicks are]' are those offered by Derek Attridge, eg. in Peculiar Language (1988) and Joyce Effects (2000).
― the pinefox, Thursday, 7 November 2002 16:48 (12 years ago) Permalink
― Josh (Josh), Thursday, 7 November 2002 21:26 (12 years ago) Permalink
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 14:18 (11 years ago) Permalink
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 14:21 (11 years ago) Permalink
Never read much on the Wake, so this is a start:
The LRB should give this guy some space, from here:
"Finnegans Wake is based on the structure of the zodiac, the zodiac signs being derived from the nature of numbers and a corresponding geometric sequence."
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 10 December 2010 18:23 (4 years ago) Permalink
why on earth do i need to shell out $410 for a hardcover copy of this
― talk talk talk (diamonddave85), Monday, 31 January 2011 18:25 (4 years ago) Permalink
― jed_, Monday, 31 January 2011 18:33 (4 years ago) Permalink
If you find $410 burning a hole in your pocket, there may be worse things to fling it away upon. Otherwise, what jed said.
― Aimless, Monday, 31 January 2011 18:55 (4 years ago) Permalink
because art is dead
― ^probably more bullshit self-aggrandizement and non-essential info^ (Edward III), Monday, 31 January 2011 18:56 (4 years ago) Permalink
― Never Make Your Moog Too Soon (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 31 January 2011 19:30 (4 years ago) Permalink
what a fantastic piece of work this is.
― red is hungry green is jawless (Noodle Vague), Friday, 23 March 2012 10:28 (3 years ago) Permalink
i was thinking of reading this over spring break
― thomp, Friday, 23 March 2012 13:27 (3 years ago) Permalink
also the cantos
― thomp, Friday, 23 March 2012 13:28 (3 years ago) Permalink
nv, thanks for ruining any kind of productivity i had planned for this afternoon! looks great, thx
― thomasintrouble, Friday, 23 March 2012 13:40 (3 years ago) Permalink
nice. making me want to finish the fcker.
― woof, Friday, 23 March 2012 14:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
i want a counterpart to those two to read, ideally something like 'pilgrimage' w/o my actually having to read 'pilgrimage'
― thomp, Friday, 23 March 2012 14:15 (3 years ago) Permalink
the site looks good but a lot of its 'glosses' appear to be straight definitions of well-known words that were already appearing in FW in unaltered, Standard English form.
― the pinefox, Saturday, 24 March 2012 11:11 (3 years ago) Permalink
yes some of the glosses feel unnecessary, am not sure whether the annotator feels those words are archaic or peculiar to British usage
― red is hungry green is jawless (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 24 March 2012 11:34 (3 years ago) Permalink
Haha, the pinefox otm
― Radio Boradman (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 24 March 2012 16:46 (3 years ago) Permalink
^Shortly after finding the twitter I found a really lovely looking paperbk on Viking Press just yesterday (although it has a 'embodying all author's corrections' which did make me laugh) so now I have a copy.
Funny how that twitter account makes the wake an everyday thing.
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 30 March 2015 10:55 (2 months ago) Permalink
I have at least _looked_ at every page of Ulysses, and more than half of the pages in FW. But I don't think any of Joyce is just one joke, and even when Joyce is joking I doubt he's ever "just" joking.
I suspect the Joycean impulse is more like: This be the jokeyjoke that hath occurred to me whan I found meself besat on this ineluctable shore-rock whilst thinkin this ineluctable series of thoughts. Begob and videlicet, yr man can't be expected to be shiftin out which bits are important from which bits arrrent.
This is one strain of high modernism: The jokes stay, and the Latin stays, as stay the dhrinkin and the fookin. If anything is omitted, so is the magic, which is contained in the weft of the thoughts recorded in the text. Perhaps Twitter is as good as any a way to read that kind of collage.
Nabokov is a different creature. Not so sloppy, but also not so warm. There's plenty of fun in Pale Fire, but all of it was put there intentionally, as a chisel-mark by a meticulous sculptor.
― Ye Mad Puffin, Monday, 30 March 2015 15:06 (2 months ago) Permalink
― ☂ (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 9 May 2015 13:33 (3 weeks ago) Permalink