Joanna Newsom - Have One On Me (RIP blogs)

tbaa = touched by an angel?

max I think "longer" does = "less accessible" to an extent - even, like, recall when Elvis Costello was making 20-song albums: it was asking a lot of a listener - even saying "look, you don't have to listen to it all at once" is kind of asking for more attention & engagement from the listener than a standard album, which is just, here's a known format, you know what to do, put it on and give it +/- three quarters of an hour, do other stuff while it spins, enjoy.

yeah sure

id just hope that there is more to the "joanna newsom is getting MORE weird" theory than "she released a triple LP"

she also puts ketchup on her oatmeal iirc

max is the only person who is making any sense in here--the album is broken up into three 6-song discs for those of us who still buy cds--it is extremely accessible.

all this talk of avant garde/artistic pretensions is insane--she's basically a folk singer.

doesn't really matter how many records its broken up across, it's still one piece

assuming we can still call HOOM qua collection of songs an album

like joanna, i think Mastodon is another band who used to be great with simple weirdo-rock and are now just look silly trying to be a serious, art-prog band.

― zvocksucker (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, February 28, 2010 3:14 PM (48 minutes ago) Bookmark

also this is wrong in a sense--mastodon has gotten compositionally more "serious" and "prog" but actually their music, part-to-part, is much less intricate. this is why they are an occasionally enjoyable, mor metal band now.

ksh i don't really want to get into a "what is an album" discussion but the point is that hoom has two logical break points that open wide the door to the listener digesting it in pieces.

all this talk of avant garde/artistic pretensions is insane--she's basically a folk singer.

― call all destroyer

the point I was trying to make upthread is that of course it's ridiculous for people to call her music avant-garde, but for some reason people do it, again and again

yeah i guess i'm just going to get annoyed if we can only talk about this record through the lens how how some mysterious constructed 25-35 year old thinks of it.

re "digested in pieces"

when it comes to a novel or something, it's just sort of assumed that the reader will take it in in multiple sittings. but with a record that isn't some sort of multi-disk compilation or something, with an album, i think there's sort of an expectation that it will be taken in in one sitting, so spreading something across three discs is going to try the patience of many listeners.

ok here's a hint--by running time, this could have fit on two cds.

this is a degree of whiny tight-assery that should be filed under some word that "first world problems" won't adequately cover

― allyboy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, February 22, 2010 12:44 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

it's two hours long. i don't know about you, but i think the ideal length for a record is somewhere between a half hour and fifty minutes nine cases out of ten. not to say this one should be shorter, but even as a JN stan, i really can't see myself listening to this straight through too often, if ever.

and if i start to listen to it in parts instead of straight through, then that's a really different approach to listening to a record than i, and i'd assume many of us here, usually take.

yes--you are making my point for me--it is broken up across three discs so that you don't need to listen to it straight through. if you feel some weirdo obligation to because it's an "album" i don't know what to tell you.

i listen to parts of albums all the time--since i mostly listen to music when i'm driving or walking somewhere i'm beholden to however long my trips are.

fair enough, cad

At least Whiney sticks to his guns when he has an opinion, kshighway keeps backing down whenever his opinions are challenged. I can tell you which of the two I admire more.

I liked kshighway more when he was an earnest indie boy before he melded his opinions to match whatever ILM consensus happens to be.

or someone makes a good point--like cad did when he pointed out some people listen to music differently than i do--and i realize i'm off a bit.

jon dont be a dick

i liked jon more when he was an agreeable and engaging ilm poster and not a complete dick

I liked kshighway more when he was an earnest indie boy before he melded his opinions to match whatever ILM consensus happens to be.

― you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0)

O_O

If my opinions were the same as "ILM consensus" (whatever that means), I don't think I'd get called out by people daily who think I'm completely wrong. Nice try, though.

Also, pretty sure Whiney dropped one of his opinions upthread when people called him out on it too. Because that's what reasonable people do when someone obviously proves them wrong.

I've just never seen someone switch from earnest and passionate to jaded and bitter so quickly, its disheartening that he felt the need to do so.

Not intentionally being a dick. I just liked kshighway when he was more earnest about what he loved.

there are many sides to ksh

ksh = american jagger, let's just move on with our lives

Uh, in the past day, I've thanked the people in the Rolling Metal thread for turning me on to Alcest, whose 2007 record I'm "earnest and passionate" about?

Hmm yeah but on this thread you've ragged on people who've mostly just been trying to defend Newsom! It's fine to call bullshit on the arguments, but character-attacks aren't on. Especially coming from someone I rate and respect as an ILM poster.

American jagger, stay away from me
American jagger, mama let me be
Don't come hanging around my door
I don't want to see your face no more
I got more important things to do
Than spend my time growin' old with you
Now jagger, stay away
American jagger, listen what I say

American jagger, get away from me
American jagger, mama let me be
Don't come knocking around my door
I don't want to see your shadow no more
Colored lights can hypnotize
Sparkle someone else's eyes
Now jagger, get away
American jagger, listen what I say

LJ, was that addressed to me or jon?

And jon,

Man, I have so much love for Ys, but I could see why some would prefer Mender.

Wilco did "avant-garde" better with YHF, tho. . . . . . . . . .

― ksh, Sunday, February 28, 2010 3:18 PM (1 hour ago)

Except for the Wilco joke, pretty sure this qualifies as earnest too. But I'm done defending myself now, thanks.

hahaha que

It was addressed to Jon, quite obviously. You may yet earn similar levels of respect.

hahaha

At least Whiney sticks to his guns when he has an opinion, kshighway keeps backing down whenever his opinions are challenged. I can tell you which of the two I admire more.

I don't understand this opinion tbh! "backing down" here seems to be "having a mind open enough to be persuaded" which seems a positive & constructive value & especially useful in learning various ways to appreciate & experience music & other art

peeanna newsom

Something I was alluding to above is that I generally like the adventure of these sorts of sprawling multi-disk albums, the sense of discovery. I like this album plenty, but so far it doesn't hold many real surprises for me, pleasant and well-crafted/performed though it may be, and its length may prevent me from taking the time to see how it could grow on me in an honest way. Maybe after five listens it would really click, maybe after five listens I'll never want to hear it again, but I highly doubt I'll ever give it five full listens. Ever. And I like it! Too much of a good thing? Too much of a good enough thing? I would have gladly accepted a few scattered lows in return for a few more overt highs.

what if you pretended that she only released the first disc, and listen to that a lot. and then a year from now, pretend in your mind that she released the second disc as a new album, and listen to that one a lot. and then a year from that, pretend that the third disc is another album

Good strategy! I'll let you know how it goes in 2013. Hopefully she (or anyone else) won't release anything new until then.

Jon is just upset because he is an engine driverrrrrrr.

Sorry guys, obviously I was being a bit of a dick earlier and I didn't intend to come across that way. I've just noticed this evolution in kshighway over the months and I found it to be a bit disappointing. I mean, he got ragged on a LOT when he first showed up for being overly excitable and earnest. Maybe its an inevitable part of the evolution of an ilxor, but he seemed to switch really quickly into snarky, jaded mode. Which was disappointing to me, because the earnestness was refreshing in a weird way. I just don't like new posters thinking that bitter snarkiness is the quickest way to fit in. I'd rather have new posters do their own thing!

I don't understand this opinion tbh! "backing down" here seems to be "having a mind open enough to be persuaded" which seems a positive & constructive value & especially useful in learning various ways to appreciate & experience music & other art

Yeah, this is OTM generally, but I feel like there's been a few threads where he has backed down rather quickly. I think sometimes its important to just stick behind something you love, even if its an unpopular opinion. But maybe I was just misreading what he's been saying.

Anyway, just popping back in to apologize to ksh and everyone else if I came across like an ass. Really not the impression I like to make.

I'll blame Whiney for setting me on edge.

:)

"standing up for your opinions" vs "ceding to criticism" doesnt really map on to "earnest" vs "jaded" ime