remind me how watching tv all night is any less depressing than playing games. or reading L. Ron Hubbard. or playing d&d. or riding a stationary bike. you're not watching porn or eating tubs of ice cream or cutting yourself; you are engaging in an activity that pacifies your heart. just keep swimming
― forksclovetofu, Friday, 26 February 2010 17:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
wait swimming what? am I doing it wrong
― Hideous Lamp (cozen), Friday, 26 February 2010 17:28 (3 years ago) Permalink
gotta think I cda learned sanskrit w/all those self-hate-filled 700 hrs of SFIV tho ;_;
― Hideous Lamp (cozen), Friday, 26 February 2010 17:30 (3 years ago) Permalink
― forksclovetofu, Friday, 26 February 2010 17:30 (3 years ago) Permalink
That article makes me glad I haven't yet started a gaming blog to pour out my depression to the world. Self-hate is for your self!
and c'mon Cozen, if there was something more enjoyable and fulfilling than FADCing into Ultra a thousand times you probably would have or will pursue it
― Nhex, Friday, 26 February 2010 19:48 (3 years ago) Permalink
Okay, let's go back to that Jesse Schell presentation that Nhex was talking about here:http://www.sirlin.net/blog/2010/2/22/external-rewards-and-jesse-schells-amazing-lecture.html
Where he posits a strange future where you "Get Points" at work by getting your reports done and becoming more adept at the programs you use.
So here I am downloading this now:http://www.officelabs.com/ribbonhero
― forksclovetofu, Tuesday, 9 March 2010 00:06 (3 years ago) Permalink
the singularity is coming!
― Nhex, Tuesday, 9 March 2010 00:47 (3 years ago) Permalink
I liked that Schell lecture, too.
― bamcquern, Wednesday, 10 March 2010 21:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
I've played it for like three people now; i think he's spot fucking on
― forksclovetofu, Wednesday, 10 March 2010 22:31 (3 years ago) Permalink
Yeah, it's got that McLuhan insight but the tone is tailored well to his audience.
― bamcquern, Wednesday, 10 March 2010 22:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
Cheyenne Alexis McKeehan of Norene, Tenn., shot herself Sunday night after her stepfather left his loaded Smith & Wesson handgun out on a table, Wilson County Sheriff Terry Ashe said...."The unfortunate thing is that this Nintendo game called Wii had what looks like a solid black, basically automatic-looking type mechanism that operates the game," he said.
"The unfortunate thing is that this Nintendo game called Wii had what looks like a solid black, basically automatic-looking type mechanism that operates the game," he said.
NO YOU FARTKNUCKLE THE UNFORTUNATE THING IS THE FUCKING DIPSHIT OF A DAD LEFT A LOADED HANDGUN ON A TABLE WITHIN EASY REACH OF A TODDLER
― but actually it is impossible to have a penis on the body of a mermaid (dyao), Thursday, 11 March 2010 16:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
How many of you are still playing Portal? How many of you still love your girlfriends? And now how many of you are ready to admit to yourselves, in a whisper, that you’re liars you've already GISed my name to see if i am hot or secret fattey?
how i would have ended that article
― First and Last and Safeways (jjjusten), Thursday, 11 March 2010 16:46 (3 years ago) Permalink
wtf @ that article dyao posted
That sheriff is like the dumbest person on Earth
― we call him black Nev coz he's black & his names Neville (HI DERE), Thursday, 11 March 2010 16:50 (3 years ago) Permalink
If this leads to the Wii being banned I'm all for it.
― Your body is a spiderland (polyphonic), Thursday, 11 March 2010 17:34 (3 years ago) Permalink
i can't find the Black Isle alumni thread, but here's an interview with Obsidian's Chris Avellone done by sometime ILG-er Chris Dahlen:
― Sex Sexual (kingfish), Friday, 12 March 2010 03:31 (3 years ago) Permalink
worth watching, not reading but clever
― forksclovetofu, Friday, 12 March 2010 06:17 (3 years ago) Permalink
― Nhex, Friday, 12 March 2010 08:30 (3 years ago) Permalink
anyone got a list of these BRUTAL & FILTHY games so we can poll them?
― cozen, Friday, 12 March 2010 09:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
― but actually it is impossible to have a penis on the body of a mermaid (dyao), Friday, 12 March 2010 09:17 (3 years ago) Permalink
Brian Ashcraft: Child Porn Advocate
― /no cobo (jamescobo), Wednesday, 17 March 2010 03:26 (3 years ago) Permalink
jeez that article links to some deeply heinous shit
― forksclovetofu, Wednesday, 17 March 2010 04:57 (3 years ago) Permalink
lol @ child porn advocate
― no chapo (Lamp), Wednesday, 17 March 2010 07:20 (3 years ago) Permalink
guy's a sleaze. i know i've posted this x times before, but nearly every story he posts is about some creepy underage-looking model/popstar/videogame character. also, he can't write, which doesn't distinguish him from the rest of kotaku.
― aw beat de holy jasus.. (stevie), Wednesday, 17 March 2010 08:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
Cannabalt is an adult’s game. It embarrasses no one.
That article is ugh, but this is a really good summary of my instinctive dislike for that game!
― Gravel Puzzleworth, Wednesday, 17 March 2010 08:23 (3 years ago) Permalink
gonna play the devil's advocate here and say i'm more disturbed that you can jail people for drawing gross cartoons than that there are people out there jerking off to said cartoons. i mean they're drawings, that's really nothing compared to, you know, the actually horrifying practices of child pornography that they are equating it with
but of course, to defend this stance means you have to go in with the pedos :( and brian ashcraft
― Nhex, Wednesday, 17 March 2010 08:25 (3 years ago) Permalink
xp haha, what do you mean?
Well, the whole article touched on something that I've been thinking about for a while. My issue isn't so much with Canabalt (which I played a few times and enjoyed) but with the reviews of it I read, and with its presence on game of the year lists etc. So much of what I read was about how easily non-gamers were converted to playing it, how smooth and non-cheesy and, well, grown-up it seemed, in theme and execution, how easy it was to learn...
I feel the same way about 'Passage' which I actually found v. affecting! It's just that I'm very conscious that Canabalt is 'showing' what 'Passage' is to 'talking about' - something that you use when justifying your hobby to people who don't share it. And while I understand that, for me, that's not gaming. That's the gateway drug to gaming, but it shouldn't ever be confused with the end product. The end product is that really deep engagement with ruleset, that staying-up-until-five-playing-Civilisation feeling, Braid with its stupid adolescent writing and really hard, unforgiving, honest, satisfying puzzles, Ninja Gaiden, Madden played on hardest with all its stupid unrealistic aspects and ai glitches and needless intricacies. If you've only got an hour a day to play games that's cool, I'm in the same boat! But don't tell me that Canabalt is the deepest pleasure the medium can give.
I sound like table-is-the-table on the gay thread!
― Gravel Puzzleworth, Wednesday, 17 March 2010 11:00 (3 years ago) Permalink
re: the Ashcraft article, I'm as staunch a 1st-amendmentist as they come and I actually completely agree with Ashcraft's position in this circumstance. on the other hand it's the most gut-bustingly hilarious gaming blog tard revalation since Tim Rogers spent a few paragraphs talking about "hypothetically" wanting to s3X0r his sister in the middle of a review of like Gears of War or something.
re: Canabalt, I think a lot of the problematic writing stems from the fact that it was one of the titles that helped define and/or legitimize the iPhone as a gaming platform in a lot of people's mind (it certainly did for me, anyway). I still think it's a masterpiece (and still play the hell out of it), but every time I've tried to harangue someone into checking it out I end up explaining the whole experience to them and I completely see how that would sap the fun right out of any game experience - imo that moment when you suddenly fully comprehend the totality of a game's mechanics is (or should be) every bit as significantly impactful as a plot twist like who Keyser Soze is or w/e, and blowing that reveal for people is kind of a dick move.
― /no cobo (jamescobo), Wednesday, 17 March 2010 17:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
Actually the more I think about that article the more stimulating I find it! Like: there really *is* something important to me in the idea of games being to some degree shameful - after writing that post I had a craving that's lasted all day to just say fuck it and play a videogame all night but I have too much stuff lined up tomorrow that I actually enjoy to just write the whole day off - to a degree it *is* a preserve of the unhappy and that is part of its texture. It's the feeling too, that people were talking about on the chatroulette thread, a nostalgia for 'the old weird internet' we grew up with, that wasn't safe at all but offered possibilities that the modern me-and-my-friends facebook net seems to lack. Like: maybe one day all games will be accessible to the people they want to reach but at that point they won't be for *me* anymore? idk idk.
― Gravel Puzzleworth, Wednesday, 17 March 2010 21:34 (3 years ago) Permalink
Is there a specific term for "i resent the successful rise to acceptability of this particular type of otherness i have a sentimental attachment to"? Because it is a common feeling!
― Gravel Puzzleworth, Wednesday, 17 March 2010 21:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
in music it's called "hipsterism"
― forksclovetofu, Wednesday, 17 March 2010 21:36 (3 years ago) Permalink
haha! that's pretty otm
― Gravel Puzzleworth, Wednesday, 17 March 2010 21:39 (3 years ago) Permalink
this feature is the inverse of the thread title: http://www.guardian.co.uk/theobserver/2010/mar/21/tom-bissell-video-game-cocaine-addiction
― Wat ho, goatee'd man? Thy skinnee jenes hath byrn'd my corneyas. (stevie), Sunday, 21 March 2010 10:30 (3 years ago) Permalink
ugh why did i read that
― Nhex, Monday, 22 March 2010 00:46 (3 years ago) Permalink
that is the worst thing I've read since Tim Rogers review of Braid
― Contemplative Punk (jamescobo), Monday, 22 March 2010 01:11 (3 years ago) Permalink
Worth watching, if only for the horrible UK tabloid hackery:
― James Mitchell, Monday, 22 March 2010 23:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
tsunami of violence
― there are tons of lame posts with your login underneath: write a book! (ksh), Monday, 22 March 2010 23:21 (3 years ago) Permalink
i want 2 be a games journalist so bad
― Lamp, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 07:08 (3 years ago) Permalink
or at least have sum1 pay me to write abt painscription drug abuse & playing atelier rorona for 80 hours
― Lamp, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 07:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
brother, i have the same dream
― Nhex, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 08:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
yes, it is another mini-autobio entry about what games mean to a man, but i liked this one more than the one about the cokehead. also I can identify really strongly with some bits here, especially delivering passionate monologues to others about games (who do not understand it)
― Nhex, Sunday, 28 March 2010 22:49 (3 years ago) Permalink
Saw this linked from gamesetwatch. It's in response to that irritating coke/gta4 Observer piece.
― bamcquern, Friday, 2 April 2010 15:26 (3 years ago) Permalink
not tremendously insightful, but gently amusing: geoff dyer on gta3 a few years back:
Time sped by. There was, obviously, a certain amount of maiming and killing going on. At one point, due to a random press of an inadequately understood button, I picked up a knife and slashed a couple of cops. There's no shortage of hookers in San Andreas and I am informed you can score points by having sex and then beating them up instead of paying. Now this, it hardly needs saying, is not nice. Nor is it quite what Matthew Arnold had in mind when he wrote of culture toggling us towards the sweetness and light.
― caek, Friday, 2 April 2010 15:30 (3 years ago) Permalink
http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2010/04/video_games_can_never_be_art.htmlnothing new here but ebert betrays his lack of interest in supporting his central point by not even taking the time to more clearly understand the games he's dismissing.
― forksclovetofu, Saturday, 17 April 2010 18:54 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah, i can't help but feel he's just straight up linkbait trolling here. also from what he writes, i think he is basing his judgment on videos and what other people are saying as opposed to debasing himself by actually, you know, playing a video game
― Nhex, Saturday, 17 April 2010 19:04 (3 years ago) Permalink
The best thing about his trolling is that it is totally working.
I bet he actually loves videogames.
― no turkey unless it's a club sandwich (polyphonic), Sunday, 18 April 2010 00:04 (3 years ago) Permalink
He does love videogames! He wrote a very positive review to one of those CD-ROM games back in the day.The central point that validates his position, one that Ebert weirdly is a little ambivalent about, is that games are anti-art by their very nature.
― Philip Nunez, Sunday, 18 April 2010 00:14 (3 years ago) Permalink
"Braid .... a story told between the games levels, which exhibits prose on the level of a wordy fortune cookie."
― aztec gamera (zappi), Sunday, 18 April 2010 01:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
Also, I think Ebert is OTM about the reason for all the video game is art handwringing -- that they're trying to use "art" as legitimization. Why can't peeps just enjoy playing video games without making all kinds of other claims for them?
― Mordy, Sunday, 18 April 2010 01:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
Lots of games are resembling work more and more, so if they're not getting paid for it, I totally feel their need to legitimize seemingly uncompensated labor.
― Philip Nunez, Sunday, 18 April 2010 01:26 (3 years ago) Permalink