2008 Primaries Thread

I don't know about state-by-state polling data, but Gallup has Clinton & Obama tied at 33% nationally for a survey taken Jan 4th-6th.

Joe Klein is essentially just another 3-card monte dealer.

a dose of healthy eyeroll:

If I truly believed that there was a real chance for change in this election, brothers and sisters, I'd be out there waving my placard. But our imperial system does not require change, merely an executive who can help run it more efficiently. Obama is emerging as that executive. Like Reagan and Bill Clinton, Obama becomes who you want him to be, at least in your own head. That's an important political gift. Bush was and is too polarizing. A system based on lies, theft, alienation, and murder needs a steadier hand. That's what the Obama campaign is all about. He has arrived at the perfect time. The guy may very well pull it off.

http://dennisperrin.blogspot.com/2008/01/crate-expectations.html

Yeah, I wouldn't get too confident just yet.

That puts it mildly.

Can we go back to Kristin Chenowith stepping off of McCain's bus?

dennis perrin should write monologues but maybe stay away from politics

there a fact in there somewhere? "everything is lame and and here is why: because it makes me feel bad!!"

the facts are all around you, grasshopper

That Dennis Perrin post is exactly what's wrong with your brand of smug, masturbate-in-a-dark-corner leftism.

Liberals are anxiously dreaming, insisting that it's their birthright to have a Dem prez elected this year, and when that happens -- and it must happen, do you hear, it MUST HAPPEN -- the universe will begin to right itself. At least, they hope that's the case. Contemporary American liberalism is all about hope. They turn their sad cow eyes to their keepers, trusting that the blades being sharpened aren't intended for their throats.

I mean give me a fucking break. Just because DP is a child doesn't mean we all are.

?? do you think through these nonzings before you write them? the point is: what kind of trust does 'dennis perrin' deserve? does he actually say anything about joe klein, which i asked about? there's nothing in that post that tells me anything about anything, other than dennis perrin is disappointed! so fucking what! beneath every blowhard is a crybaby.

lol xp

the second half of that perrin blog post is reflections on Star Trek, fwiw

I always jerk off with a light on, H2.

What kind of trust do you deserve, "gff"?

yes, "gff," IF THAT IS EVEN YOUR REAL NAME

Why do people even pay attention to Morbs when he "talks" politics?

better me than gabbneb

i mean, marc cooper does the same "constant bile all around" schtick -- he's not fan of democrats. but he's actually an indespensible reporter on a number of topics (immigration, the southwest, NA gambling, LA, etc etc) and he's done shit beside run a crabby blog! like...escape from pinochet

you should read cooper, morbz, you'd like him probably

(xpost) hahahaha okay that's true

paul supporters tell hannity that fox sux.

all they need is pitchforks.

Can we go back to Kristin Chenowith stepping off of McCain's bus?

lols

I subscribe to The Nation, I've read Marc Cooper.

My hope died somewhere around 1984, just pity me. And take note of the date when "MORBZ WUZ RIGHT!" breaks through the clouds. (it might be during the debate where McCain and Obama both vow to renew the USA PATRIOT Act)

should i be skeptical of joe klein?

there was a controversy over a klein column on fisa. i tried figuring out what that was all about, but i was too lazy. glen greenwald called him out though and greenwald is super thorough and even-handed (and long-winded).

did i miss the lols upthread at the o'reilly/secret service scuffle?

that was gold

Joe Klein should teach a master's class on hackdom.

I assume someone already posted a McCain/Wilford Brimley photo. (Wilford is about Chuck Norris' age, anyway...)

Paul supporters chasing Hannity = funny
Paul supporters appearing to be exclusively twenty-something yr old males = equally funny

there was a whole lot of funny going on in that clip.

will Hannity whine about the violation of his Constitutional rights?

Hannity will whine about the violation of his constitutional walk

there was a controversy over a klein column on fisa.

yeah he wrote some column in Time saying the democrats' plan on FISA was to require a court order to wiretap every foreign terrorist, tie law enforcement's hands etc etc ..... the whole thing was wildly RONG and it came out that the information was fed to him by Hoekstra (gop hack)

Klein sucks

and for days he not only stuck to his story, but accused critics of "partisanship."

yeah and klein is still on CNN all the Time as a talking head

how can that be? what kind of trust does 'joe klein' deserve?

lol u mad

anyway, ok joe klein blows!

obama carrying on diplomacy while campaigning, does not blow.

I think Dick Morris is proof enough that there is no such thing as a "discredited" pundit. (Not that Cokie, Sam, George etc have an iota more credibility.)

how can that be? what kind of trust does 'joe klein' deserve?

-- Dr Morbius, Tuesday, January 8, 2008 5:15 PM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

are you being facetious here or what? i have no idea what three quarters of your posts mean

thats how i roll!

i have no idea what three quarters of your postsILX mean

well it makes reading your posts a delight (xpost)

see what i did there?

I guess Gloria Steinem's been waiting for Hillary to fall behind in the polls, so she could write an op-ed like this:

Women Are Never Front-Runners

Gender is probably the most restricting force in American life, whether the question is who must be in the kitchen or who could be in the White House. This country is way down the list of countries electing women and, according to one study, it polarizes gender roles more than the average democracy.

That’s why the Iowa primary was following our historical pattern of making change. Black men were given the vote a half-century before women of any race were allowed to mark a ballot, and generally have ascended to positions of power, from the military to the boardroom, before any women (with the possible exception of obedient family members in the latter).

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/7317/thumbs/r-HILLARYPRIMARIES-huge.jpg

Black men were given the vote a half-century before women of any race were allowed to mark a ballot

who the fuck is she kidding

I always feel weird reading complaints about black men gaining social status before women. It seems to tread reeeeeeally close to crypto-racism.

Black suffrage - 1870
Women's suffrage - 1920

Care to dispute this timeline?

um, jim crow?

yeah all that 'civil rights' stuff, what were they on about

While what Glo-ri-ah says on enfranchisement is LITERALLY true, it's yet another instance of liberal my-suffering-is-bigger-than-yrs crapola.

Morbs otm