Sea Devils And Die: GeroniMoffat's Doctor Who In The 2010s

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although, as someone points out, vcs3 = late 60s, who theme = early 60s

koogs, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 10:01 (fourteen years ago) link

although although there is a Delaware version from 1972 or so that was never used. but i think a delaware is the big brother of a vcs3. yes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMS_Synthi_100

koogs, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 10:13 (fourteen years ago) link

Whoa. Nice.

(Gizmodo does imply it was the original theme, but the actual ebay item description is very careful to point out that it was used by John Baker on an early 70s version of the theme. A few people seem to have queried this with the seller on the grounds that John Baker was never credited with doing the theme, but seeing as Delia Derbyshire was never listed on the credits either, uh...)

falling while carrying an owl (a passing spacecadet), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 11:08 (fourteen years ago) link

Interesting that it supposedly belonged to John Baker, who as far as I can remember doesn't even have playng credits on any of it (even Delaware was Paddy Kinsland and Brian Hodgson). He did a lot in incidental work on the show, but that's not exactoly the same thing. xpost

Diamanti Gallas (aldo), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 11:09 (fourteen years ago) link

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Doctor-Who-Caves-Androzani-DVD/dp/B00005B2T7

koogs, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 22:30 (fourteen years ago) link

Good thing she didn't look at the back of the Vengeance on Varios DVD box.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Thursday, 25 February 2010 00:59 (fourteen years ago) link

Oops, Varos I mean of course.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Thursday, 25 February 2010 00:59 (fourteen years ago) link

Except, of course, it's the Region 2 box in the joke which is unlikely to be up for rental in Canada...

http://www.amazon.ca/Doctor-Who-Caves-Androzani-Story/dp/B00005Y6XH

Diamanti Gallas (aldo), Thursday, 25 February 2010 10:19 (fourteen years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOTYwj40cq0

James Mitchell, Saturday, 6 March 2010 13:32 (fourteen years ago) link

http://www.isitmofftiemnao.com/

three weeks

Sex Sexual (kingfish), Thursday, 11 March 2010 07:21 (fourteen years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzcgssMucHE

James Mitchell, Sunday, 21 March 2010 11:05 (fourteen years ago) link

My dreams of a Dalekless season have been dashed

Brakhage, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 00:23 (fourteen years ago) link

Sad, but I think they're contractually committed to the Daleks appearing every season--when they resurrected the show in 2005, for a long time Terry Nation's estate was against the Daleks being in it. When they finally agreed, they made the BBC commit to including them every season (thus upping the income from Dalek-related collectibles to the Nation estate).

Attention please, a child has been lost in the tunnel of goats. (James Morrison), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 01:23 (fourteen years ago) link

Dalek hating is challoping of the highest order, they're brilliant if they're written well. Trouble is that since the Ecclestone series they haven't been.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 09:32 (fourteen years ago) link

Also it looks like it's Daleks in the Blitz which could be tremendous.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 09:33 (fourteen years ago) link

new holy grail: good Dalek story NOT set on Earth and written by Moffat

mdskltr (blueski), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 11:42 (fourteen years ago) link

http://www.isitmofftiemnao.com/

James Mitchell, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 11:48 (fourteen years ago) link

they're contractually committed to the Daleks appearing every season

Ah ok. I have no particular Dalek hate, it's just that the contortions they have to go through to get them to show up, especially after establishing that they were all gone, become less and less compelling. Really I just want them to pop up once in a while, rather than their appearances be routine. The nadir was that two-parter in the 30s with that hybrid and the pig-people.

Brakhage, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 17:15 (fourteen years ago) link

would have been easier to have serial villains without rtd's incessant madcap "end of the daleks! the world! the universe! time itself! stake-raising.

the big pink suede panda bear hurts (ledge), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 17:18 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah I REALLY hope Moffatt has the good sense to avoid that shit.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 17:21 (fourteen years ago) link

I have no particular Dalek hate, it's just that the contortions they have to go through to get them to show up, especially after establishing that they were all gone, become less and less compelling. Really I just want them to pop up once in a while, rather than their appearances be routine.

I agree -- it's not that I hate them, it's just that they're overused and haven't had a decent storyline since Ecclestone.

ô_o (Nicole), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 18:02 (fourteen years ago) link

season 2 Dalek vs Cybermen fight was pretty good, I thought

ALLAH! *rolls on floor* (HI DERE), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 18:05 (fourteen years ago) link

It seems like Moffat's a lot more interested in "small" i.e. specific stories, which will be great if it continues..

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 18:06 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, I know the universe is always at stake in Who but I got so tired of RTD's MORE HUGER EVERYTHING MASSIVE BIG HUGELARGE

Brakhage, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 18:12 (fourteen years ago) link

Me too.

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 18:15 (fourteen years ago) link

I hope they do something more like "The Pyramids of Mars", where Sarah Jane argues that they can ignore Sutekh because clearly he didn't wipe out the world because she was still around, and the Doctor took her back to her time and showed her the Earth as a desolate desert and said "o rly"

ALLAH! *rolls on floor* (HI DERE), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 18:15 (fourteen years ago) link

That was one of the best things for me about Blink - because it actually did something with the idea of TIME TRAVEL, eg effects before causes, meeting before you know someone, etc etc.

Brakhage, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 18:21 (fourteen years ago) link

also it was pretty tense bordering on terrifying, particularly for this series

ALLAH! *rolls on floor* (HI DERE), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 18:22 (fourteen years ago) link

Guardian interview, not giving much away
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/mar/22/stephen-moffat-doctor-who

confirmed episode titles
The Eleventh Hour
The Beast Below
Victory of the Daleks
The Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone
Vampires in Venice
TBA
TBA/TBA
Vincent and the Doctor
TBA
TBA/TBA

mdskltr (blueski), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 18:42 (fourteen years ago) link

The Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone

More Blink! Awesome!

NotEnough, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 18:56 (fourteen years ago) link

No Sally Sparrow = no cred

Duke Newsom (DavidM), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 19:36 (fourteen years ago) link

Somehow I think Carey Mulligan would rather be making Hollywood films than starring in episodes of Doctor Who.

ô_o (Nicole), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 19:43 (fourteen years ago) link

no should would totally rather do Doctor Who

btw is UK L&O any good?

ALLAH! *rolls on floor* (HI DERE), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 19:44 (fourteen years ago) link

Not really. It's not terrible.

ailsa, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 19:47 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, I know the universe is always at stake in Who

this is rubbish, it's usually Local Politics On A Wee Planet or, for Pertwee, The Special School's Bus Of Aliens Are Attacking Slowly

one of the jones boys (sic), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 22:04 (fourteen years ago) link

for Pertwee, The Special School's Bus Of Aliens Are Attacking Slowly

For some reason, these are my favorites.

ô_o (Nicole), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 22:53 (fourteen years ago) link

Sad, but I think they're contractually committed to the Daleks appearing every season

This was also the reason we all knew Davros was coming back as well.

would have been easier to have serial villains without rtd's incessant madcap "end of the daleks! the world! the universe! time itself! stake-raising.

I might have said this, and worse in previous years.

I have been avoiding posting here because of spoilers, btw. An awful, awful lot is out there about the series.

Diamanti Gallas (aldo), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 23:01 (fourteen years ago) link

By which I mean I know a lot, and know you don't want to, so haven't risked exposing you to it.

Diamanti Gallas (aldo), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 23:02 (fourteen years ago) link

That was one of the best things for me about Blink - because it actually did something with the idea of TIME TRAVEL

The Girl In The Fireplace did this as well. This could hopefully become a Moffatt thing. He plays a lot with the form of an episode in general - Silence In The Library had the world inside the computer programme, etc.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 23:03 (fourteen years ago) link

And Silence In The Library also played with time travel too, with River Song knowing the Doctor from the future, and all that jazz.

Attention please, a child has been lost in the tunnel of goats. (James Morrison), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 23:31 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, I'm really, really trying to lower my expectations knowing that Moffatt actually has at least one entire season to play with these ideas (probably even longer) rather than just a single story. At the very least I hope we'll get better built season-long arcs than Bad Wolf.

Thanks for not spoiling btw - I do appreciate the attempt, especially knowing that the story and casting info for Who always seems to leak out really early, I don't know much about the upcoming season aside from a few hints that some elements of previous Moffatt stories will return.

Nhex, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 23:39 (fourteen years ago) link

By Ann Widdecombe

Dr Who has changed again and so has his assistant. Even the Tardis has acquired bells and whistles. What next? K9 metamorphosed into a cat?

I wish them every success in whatever worlds they travel but I have seen each Doctor and none has done it quite like Patrick Troughton did it.

He was a memorable Saint Paul as well and a convincing schoolmaster in Dr Finlay’s Casebook.

http://www.express.co.uk/ourcomments/view/164839

James Mitchell, Thursday, 25 March 2010 11:44 (fourteen years ago) link

Sylvester McCoy, the actor who played Doctor Who for two years in the 1980s, has revealed that left-wing scriptwriters hired by the BBC wrote propaganda into the plots in an attempt to undermine Margaret Thatcher’s premiership.

Forgot to mention I saw him in a pub about a month ago

The Oort Locker (Tom D.), Thursday, 25 March 2010 11:52 (fourteen years ago) link

Egged him on did you? Plied him with drinks?

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 25 March 2010 12:02 (fourteen years ago) link

He looked a bit unsteady on his feet. Not the drink, I think his health's not great.

The Oort Locker (Tom D.), Thursday, 25 March 2010 12:04 (fourteen years ago) link

Is this why Widdecome has been rocking the troughton Doctor's hair do wig all these years?

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 25 March 2010 13:33 (fourteen years ago) link

hi dere new website

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 25 March 2010 15:22 (fourteen years ago) link

Steven Moffat, speaking in 1995, on Doctor Who.

" …when I look back at Doctor Who now. I laugh at it, fondly. As a television professional, I think how did these guys get a paycheck every week? Dear god, it's bad! Nothing I've seen of the black and white stuff - with the exception of the pilot, the first episode - should have got out of the building. They should have been clubbing those guys to death! You've got an old guy in the lead who can't remember his lines; you've got Patrick Troughton, who was a good actor, but his companions - how did they get their Equity card? Explain that! They're unimaginably bad. Once you get to the colour stuff some of it's watchable, but it's laughable."

He likes Davison though. But that's about it.

http://nzdwfc.tetrap.com/archive/tsv43/onediscussion.html

Duke Newsom (DavidM), Wednesday, 31 March 2010 16:02 (fourteen years ago) link

He's OTM though. Most of the first Hartnell season and the first Baker season, ie the bits I've watched all the way through, are largely terrible. Not because of the lack of bells and whistles or effects or whatever the fuck it is Rusty thinks he brought to the table, the plots just aren't very interesting and there's no tension and the ending to almost every story is awful. I'm including Genesis of the Daleks in this.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 31 March 2010 16:22 (fourteen years ago) link


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